There goes the redshirt. Hope that works well. SO GLAD shoelace is back!
...says Denzel Valentine of Big Ten Tourney favorite MSU, which is 5-7 in its last 12 games. Cumong, man.
I'm surprised he's ahead of Forcier, but Coach Rod knows best
Whatever it takes to win!
I'm crazy about that decision.
I personally love that decision. If he was really serious that Gardner was going to play this year, and there's no reason to believe that he wasn't serious, then it was a great move because it takes the possibility and temptation off of the table right away. No they can just focus on playing football this year.
I'd love to hear how you plan on backing this statement up
If Robinson gets hurt we are most likely screwed because Gardner is not game ready
Maybe we can let the kid take more than two snaps before we start passing judgement?
If Tate came in under Lloyd his career would've turned out just like Jason's did. He grew up in a family that bred him to be a quarterback from the moment the sperm hit the overies. He was as polished his freshman as most D-1 quarterbacks after two years. That being said, preparation doesn't make him great. There's only so much that can do for you. Part of it is genetics, and while Tate was polished, he didn't have the skill set needed.
It was pretty obvious during the Iowa game Rich Rod wasn't a fan of Tate's... but Tate was literally his ONLY option. Devin Gardener is a much more skilled player, and with the help of spring practice has been able to refine his talent to much better suit Rich Rod's system than Tate's talent ever was.
Tate should always be remembered positively by Michigan fans for helping bridge a gap that was the lowest talent level ever to step foot on campus in Ann Arbor. But unfortunately his time (tentatively since Denard could get hurt and Devin really truely might not be ready) is up when it comes to being a consistant on-field contributer. But he also could work harder from this point on and try to be a leader and impact this team off the field too. I hope that's what he does.
I love Tate and I hope nothing but the best for him. But what's the best for him isn't what's best for the on-field performance of Michigan. It's just the flat out truth.
There is no possible way that DG is as ready to play as Tate is--that is just a fact, regardless if how talented DG is. So unless Tate broke a team rule, or something serious attitude wise, there is really no justification for playing DG. I don't think that can even be fairly argued.
It's quite possible Tate regessed since last year having not practiced much in the summer. Ezeh regressed last year and by all reports practiced his ass off. All reports last year suggested Tate didn't prepare as hard as he had the year before (when he won the veterans' support as a freshman). If Tate isn't playing it's his own fault.
Well I doubt RR put Gardner in there for shits and giggles. My guess is either Tate has some serious attitude issues, which wouldn't be surprising, or Gardner has made some great striedes. I think it's a combination of the two.
I agree with this logic, and infer from the ambiguous comments by his Dad that something along these lines are probably what is going on.
Did you have a nice day in East Lansing yesterday? Did you get a chance to TiVo the Michigan game for later viewing pleasure?
I'll never forget where I was the moment the rage about Garner'sburned redshirt first flared up.
How do you REALLY feel about Gardner being 2nd string though? Your first 3 posts on the topic weren't quite clear.
Gardner can play a certian number of plays in the first 3 games and still redshirt.
after posting i wondered if i knew the complete rules. thanks for clearing it up.
220.127.116.11 Minimum Amount of Competition. Any competition, regardless of time, during a season in an intercollegiate sport shall be counted as a season of competition in that sport, except as provided in Bylaws 18.104.22.168.1,
22.214.171.124.2, 126.96.36.199.3 and 188.8.131.52.4. This provision is applicable to intercollegiate athletics competition conducted by a two-year or four-year collegiate institution at the varsity or subvarsity level. (Revised: 1/11/94, 4/28/05 effective 8/1/05, 5/9/06, 1/16/10 effective 8/1/10)
Gardner redshirt this year=burned
There is, however, a provision for a medical reshirt if he gets injured and those rules are something like less than 15% of the total season played. That is what confuses people the most I believe.
According to NCAA:
Each student is allowed no more than four seasons of competition per sport. If you were not a qualifier, you may have fewer seasons of competition available to you. You should know that NCAA rules indicate that any competition, regardless of time, during a season counts as one of your seasons of competition in that sport. It does not matter how long you were involved in a particular competition (for example, one play in a football game, one point in a volleyball match); you will be charged with one season of competition.
Guys relax.. Its the first game of the season and with DR we looked upbeat and straight dangerous. While I appreciate the monumental impact of redshirting DG could have, if RR thinks that DG is the better option at Q hes going to play. Lets also not kid ourselves, an extra year with DG would be fantastic but whats to keep him from taking it next year?
I believe that you are not aware of how things work in reality. There are a few scenarios that would have caused RR to lose his job after two years, Not starting out 4-0 isn't one of them.
I believe that you are not aware of how things work in reality. There are a few scenarios that would have caused RR to lose his job after two years, not starting out 4-0 isn't one of them.
I'll trust RR on this call, but I still think the destruction of Tate's confidence is going to hurt this team this year. At some point, UM is going to need his passing, and right now he is a shell of his former self.
you know, the one where Tate says "My confidence has been destroyed and I feel like a shell of my former self."
Did I miss the memo where it was announced that MGoBlog had become sportstalk radio?
last year...summer workouts are not mandatory..but neither is playing time. I was pissed at 1st, but I think coach had to make a point with Tate..if you blow off the voluntary workouts..you will not play. If that means Tate transfers, oh well. Yes if our starting QB gets hurt we are screwed, but how many teams in the country can say the same thing? As for the redshirt, it kind of pisses me off to know its gone now..seeing how amazing Denard is.
Denard just had one of the most electrifying games ever for a Michigan QB. He tore to shreds a highly touted UConn front seven. He worked hard during the offseason. His teammates love him and go to battle for him. He has vastly improved his throwing and completely nearly 90% of his passes today. He played great and has done everything right. He deserves for us to believe in him.
Carvin Johnson, Jeremy Jackson, and I think Courtney Avery but I'm not 100% sure about him.
Courtney Avery was on kickoff.
Drew Dileo was the holder.
Marvin Robinson was on kickoff as well.
Coach Rod said several times that Devin would play this year. Relax. He's doing whats best for the team.
the Razorbacks seem to like Michigan quarterbacks.
Congratulations on the home opener win against a good team. Wolverines looked good.
But it is possible (though unlikely) that they could redshirt DG another year.
i was just as pissed at others originally, but seeing tate sit on the bench makes me believe he has not truly "earned his wings". he should have been up rooting the team on--- no matter what. the team the team the team, i will trust rrod
The idea that some people in this thread think RR doesn't know what's at stake - and they do - is foolishness.
Tate sitting their sulking while THE TEAM was on the way to a huge win was not the move of a team player, plain and simple.
Tate now realizes his chances of playing are probably slim to none. I'm not surprised he's upset. He shouldn't have been off by himself, however, with the towel around him it was like he was trying to hide or something. Should have at least pretended to be happy.
In RR we trust.
Why are people stuck on redshirting Devin. If he is ready, he should play. Coach Rod thinks he adds value otherwise he wouldnt be out there. As for Tate. lets not give up on him yet, he is young and may get his act together.
Boy TQ177, you must really spend a lot of time at practice since you're so certain that Gardner isn't game ready and that you know better than the coaching staff.
haha, ass coach
Bo would have never allowed our team asses to be so undereducated! Rabble Rabble Rabble!
You're really annoying. Michigan just beat a solid UConn team and you're mad because Forcier is the 3rd string qb? Lets not forget that Coach Rodriguez is actually at the practices and all you know is what you read on the internet. Chances are he's a better coach than you are.
Get a life fuck face.
RR has every right to put Gardner at #2. He is the one who sees these guys practice, not us. RR also mentioned that Gardner is too talented to redshirt. Tressel started Pryor ahead of a senior with an accurate arm when Pryor was a true freshman. Paterno has true freshman Bolden starting over two sophomores. Things happen. When a coach has a super talent who already has the size, sometimes it's best not to let him rot on the bench.
I see you have -113 points but this might be the best post I ever read from someone in the negatives!
Regarding the QB depth chart:
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this is the first time I've been openly critical about an RR decision. I can understand why he did it and he has every right to make the decisions that he believes are best to win games...but I also believe that he has now just raised the expectations in terms of performance. I think burning DGs redshirt means he needs to pile up a good number of wins starting....now.