By .1 of a second!!!
Burke Wins NBA Skills Challenge
Paired with Damien Lillard, beat out 3 other teams
What event is KCP in?
Worst draft pick given the players available at the time he was chosen. But he's in for a fight cause the Cavs Anthony Bennett was also invited.
Note:yes I know Bennett got a double double the other nite. Blind animals....acorns....stuff like that.
Can we call it the Joe Dumars challenge?
Actually given how things turned out...there wasn't really a great pick to be had for Detroit. No one was a stand out and before we start sippin Michigan connection kool aid realize that Jennings has more than produced from the PG spot for the pistons and by stats has shot better than Burke while averaging 3 more assists a game.
I would rather have Burke, Knight and Middleton than Jennings and KCP.
So...you would rather have 2 pg's and no SG's of the future instead of a PG who is putting up better #'s than both Burke/Knight and Middleton who has done what again?
My friend drafting a local boy doesn't always work...just ask the Pistons about Cleaves, the lions about Rogers and so on.
Well, for starters Knight leads his team in scoring and assists and could play off the ball better than Stuckey, who could be dealt. Middleton is fourth on his team in scoring and leads them in steals. Between the two of them they have 75 starts and average over 28 points, 8 boards, and 6 assists. Middleton is shooting 43% 3PT. You can discount those numbers a bit by adding that the Bucks are the worst team in the league by a substantial margin, but to ask what Middleton has done is simply ignorance.
compare Burke to Mateen Cleaves? Wow. I know there are those who will fight tooth and nail to defend Dumars' selection of KCP but.....damn.
Calling a guy shooing 39% from the floor and averaging 6.7 PPG a "SG of the future" is pretty ballsy, unless you expect the Pistons to suck for a long long time.
Id take michael carter williams
Can't shoot teams are giving him the lane. If he gets a shot then he may be dangerous but I'm not overly excited until he does develop that coveted jump shot. I mean was he gonna do when teams play off em and dares him to take the j.
Haha, dude - Jennings is several years older than Burke, and makes about 15X Burke's salary. Strictly in terms of cost effectiveness, Burke is the significantly better option. Burke's salary instead of Jennings' is probably the difference in being able to resign Monroe or not.
Jennings is 3 years older than Trey and actually makes about 3x Burke's salary. But you know, facts.
Josh Smith's salary and general ineffectiveness could be the difference in beign able to re-sign Monroe or possibly needing to deal him.
Do you watch the games ? The only thing on the court he can't do is shoot. He blocks, rebounds, passes, scores, and play D stop hating
Smith has all the talent in the world, and when he is playing the 4 he can do some really good things. Yes, he can rebound, pass, and block shots and gain steals. His counting stats look good. But his individual defense on small forwards has not been great. He's fifth, on the Pistons, in PER. He turns the ball over a lot. And that only thing he can't do, shoot, is a pretty big weakness. Teams give him jumpers all day because he's threatening to put up the worst 3-point shooting season in history at the volume of shots he takes.
Josh is in the top 15 in blocks, plus shooting percentage has gone up last few games. Maybe he's getting acclimated to his new surroundings. Josh smith is good basketball player well above average.
Dumars used a top ten pick to select a SG who averages just a shade under "Jack shit" when he had a chance to select one of two franchise PGs who had both just appeared in the Final Four. It doesn't matter what Jennings averages. It didn't make him an all star this year nor has it made the Pistons any better.
How many points do you average?
I was going to write an actual response about how I believe your underlying premise is flawed, but insted here is the outline version:
- To bring Jennings into this discussion at all, your position necessarily is that a non-contending team should make draft selctions based on the team's needs.
- When you are a non-contending team, your needs are somewhere between everything and a bunch of things.
- Filling one need only fills one need. You still have many others.
- However, if you draft to acquire the most valuable asset (the best player available), you can use the higher value of that asset to satisfy more of your needs. For example, if the Pistons were to trade with the Jazz tomorrow, the Jazz would trade Burke to the Pistons for KCP and something else.
- That "something else" can be used to fill one of your non-contending team's many other needs.
- NBA Players are fungible so having having 2 point guards and 0 shoooting guards, per your characterization of what the Pistons would have had if they drafted Burke, is not an actual problem. This last point is especially true if Jennings is as talented as you believe him to be.
No one in the nba is giving Utah jazz two of anything for trey Burke haha. I know you love trey. Sorry but trey not even in the top five in the west just stop it. I like trey but your ridiculous. Trey Burke wasn't the best player if so his draft selection would've reflected such homer
I'm glad all of you are excited about trey & thj, but most of you suck. It's crazy people on this site act is if they have all the answers & are never wrong. Most of u rag on KCP like you know him or actually watch him before he was in A piston uniform. The guy can play so stop pole riding Burke I'm pretty sure the ladies are helping him out he don't need all of you. It's funny when trey Burke has a bad game or don't do shit, it's crickets around this piece. I mean steph curry scored 44 the other day, nothing from no one. So chill out both of those kids are less than 60 games in their first season. I know of tons players in all sports who start off well but finish bad or vice versa. So just chill out on that KCP the Garbage it's getting annoying and old.
What is a "KCP"?
Missed /s tag.
Watching the OSU-Ill game. Apparently Craft is 10x Bette than Burke ever was. 12 points and 2 assists...look out NBA
Nice block M tat
Yeah it is nice. I had to go back and re-watch the video to see it since I missed it the first time. Here's a pic for those of you who haven't seen it.
I don't think that block M is "regulation" size (too skinny). Brandon, aka Mr. Branding, would not approve.
I was wondering the same thing. 96 maybe? Not sure what it would mean though
Some footage is already up on YouTube, of course....
THJ laughs at those missed threes.
Damian Trillard is niiiiiiicce man. And Trey is dat dude, but you already knew.
Been cool to see a UM presence on All-Star weekend again. Can't wait till Nik dominates the 3-point contest. Actually I can wait like two more years.
With Hardaway's show yesterday (36 points 12-23) and Burke today in the Skills Challenge, it's awesome to see UM getting represented during NBA All-Star weekend. Those two are going to have great careers. Cant wait till 2 or 3 years from now when Nik wins the 3 Points Contest and GR3 wins the dunk contest.
I was gonna watch this next October!
Stephen Curry and Trey were both there tonight... Where's the pooint guard we drafted/kept instead? Oh right, Ricky Rubio's the worst shooter in NBA history. /cries
Great for Burke and in a way Michigan. As a Piston fan all I can do is shake my head.
At least we got Drum buddy and Monroe.
Too bad all of all star weekend sucks
As a Piston? I think that would be nice. I'm sure Joe D will F that up too.
What have you seen from GR3 as a collegiate player that would make you sad that he's not going to be a Piston?
Christ it's like people on this blog would rather the Lions, Pistons, Tigers and Red Wings drafted straight from the respective Michigan teams.
I know you're criticizing the poster rather than GR3, but the relatively late recruiting profile leap that benefitted him early as draft prospect has caused some reactionary negativity. While it's absurd at this point to suggest Joe D (or any GM) would be making a mistake to pass on the kid in this year's draft, I would have said the same about THJ. Especially after his sophomore year, he didn't look particularly draftable to me beyond the athleticism and pedigree. A year and a half later, I'd say he has an NBA roster spot somewhere for a long time, topping out around intermittent starting "role player" or great 6th man.
I'm not sure how the invites go for the ncaa 3pt contest but any chance Stauskas goes this season ?
Can't happen because Michigan will be in the final four.
And the Pistons continue to look dumber
Since 1980 only 9 organizations have won a championship and Detroit is one if em. So explain to me how they look dumb?
Lol have you looked in the stands at the Palace in the last couple of years?
How? They didn't draft Trey Burke......and he continues to show why he is a very good NBA talent. He'll probably win rookie of the year......he would have sold so many tickets in Detroit.
I think we should of drafted carter-williams, he's the rookie of the year and has the most upside between him burke and kcp. Burke would've looked nice in a pistons jersey but I think ownership wanted a pg that was already in the NBA as opposed to breaking in a college player. I think joe was forced to draft a wing prospect, I would've liked hardaway as a piston I'm just not sold on kcp.
the last few years, little kids and it being late, I watched it and wow did they ruin the dunk contest. Do they think we would rather watch wnba girls and 50+ y old men shooting from half court and a skills challenge then the best bball athletes dunking? that was atrocious.
The year Dominique got screwed for his two handed windmill dunk. No one gave him a 10 so that they could give Jordan a 10 for his free throw line dunk. You know, the dunk he and Dr J did many times before. Knew then it was a popularity contest and not objective. When you were as young as I was at the time, it was a sad realization.
Vince McMahon finds this shocking.
/yes, I'm insinuating Stern has a hand in how things "happen" in a WWE type way. Not everything, but more than you'd think...
For all the KCP supporters out there I can give one very powerful arguement why Dumars completely shit the bed not picking Burke last year besides the fact he's a exponentially better player.
Pistons rank 27 out of 30 NBA teams in attendance.
When you are that far down (and dropping by the way) you would have to be brain damaged to NOT pick a local favorite that just happens to be the best player available when it's your turn to draft. Most teams with a GM possessing a Wonderlick score higher than Vince Young's would've traded UP to get Burke - not purposively pass on him.
is a Sparty. I wouldn't blame Dumars entirely for Trey although he does suck at his job.
To your point I would attend many games with my kids and they would all have Trey Jerseys if he was a piston. He's a draw for a big part of the fan base.
Also remember he took Cleaves (bust) as a lottery pick.
Joe must go!
Pick of joe d's I'm sure there was a good one in there as well. Example you say cleaves then I say Drummond
First of all, the notion we didn't draft Trey Burke because Gores is a Spartan is stupid and completely unfounded. They wanted to unload Knight.
Second of all, why is Trey Burke a local favorite exactly? He played at Michigan for two years and isn't from the state. Coupled with the fact that the state is pretty evenly divided between UM and MSU for basketball, you'd only have a contingent of Michigan fans who cared. The comparison strikes me similar to Steve Alford except he was from Indiana and the star of the premier basketball program in the state. I'm not saying KCP is Steve Alford but rather that comparison is more apt of what a "local favorite" is.
trey burke "isnt a local favorite" and "only played 2 years in michigan"?
get the hell out of here.
he won the national player of the year, got michigan to the ncaa finals. was the guy that got michigan basketball to national relevance (beilein is obviously also a factor here, but burke expidited this process big time).
i have a feeling if this were 1998 and the lions had the #2 pick, there would have been many here happy to see the lions draft ryan leaf over charles woodson.
this place is bonkers over the issue. all we need is thelasthoke to come in and mention trey missed 8 games to start the year.
we're a michigan blog - we SHOULD be homers for trey. but in this situation, we dont have to be. michigan fanboys, objective nba gurus, the people who care about franchises' bottom lines (for some reason) can all agree dumars shit the bed big time. it was obvious at the time of the pick, and has only become more apparent as the season progressed.
he whipped the pistons in auburn hills, he's a top contender for ROY, he would have fit a need (except, joe would have had to rework his plan to overpay for a pg that will never ever win anything) and he just won the skills competition. and he's 20! by his 3rd year, we'll be comparing him to chris paul.
give me trey and andre drummond, and filling the holes would have been easy.
Good numbers but they not great. Similar squads like Jennings had in Milwaukee in his rookie year and he eclipsed fifty in a game and average more points. Trey Burke is gonna be good. I don't understand why people can't just be happy for trey and hope our local team does well at the same time.
Games ( tickets are cheap). KCP is not the reason people don't go to games. I believe there are many factors non basketball related, that attribute to the decline. I'm not Slow, the product on the floor in the past has been underwhelming, but this team can actually be good with a few added players. Miami is not good just because of the big 3 but because of the financial sacrifices made by other good players on their roster. It's unfortunate we have to over pay free agents too come play with us, I serious believe there are external factors that play a Hugh role. I find it appalling that many think joe d somehow just lost his mind, and that they know more about running a nba team then he does. Trey Burke was special and very likable and did greats things for michigan. Let's not forget the owner did go to msu