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Burke-Floor General and Defense
After watching Syracuse send two long, athletic guards to pester Burke around the half-court line, I suddenly knew what Shaka Smart meant about "heating up the point guard", but Burke did not overheat, so to speak...
That does not show up on the stat sheet but limiting turnovers was a huge plus.
I don't think he ever forced stuff. The games where he took a lot of shots were because nobody was stepping up and he needed to. If he didn't do that, then we lose a bunch of other games most notably Purdue, and our offense was one of the best in the country with an occasional bad game at MSU, at Ohio. The real reason we had seven losses was defense and rebounding which have been steller in the tournament.
Agree, many times he HAD to put the team on his back due to the younger players being timid at times. I still think that is why Syracuse openly talked so much trash. They wanted that Burke to show up and instead they got a no-ego facilitator that, stats aside, was the biggest reason we won that game.
I'm not criticizing you, but I can't understand this view, which others here seem to agree with, all with the "stats aside" caveat. I watched the entire game and did not think Burke was a factor at all--apart from the undeniable fact that Syracuse paid lots of attention to Burke. Now that does mean he was a important factor in the win, and Syracuse (and everyone else) building their game plans against him is an advantage in our favor, but this continues a trend that apart from one half has occurred the entire tournament. IMO, for the player of the year (deservedly so), and accounting for the fact that he has other talented players around him, he has not looked like it for most of this tournament. I think if you never watched him in the regular season and only saw him in the tournament, most people would be like "why does he get so much hype?"
You make great points and I actually see why you think that/have that opinion. I actually respect different opinions when said respectfully and I cannot necessarily disagree with anything you wrote aside from what I saw. What I saw in this game and others was teams coming in with the mentality of "whatever we do we have to shut Burke down af far as points go". In the regular season we often won and lost a few games due to him clearly feeling like he had to put the team on his back. In this tourney, he hasn't shot well or much at all (aside from spurts) and yet teams still focused on him so much it allowed guys like Mitch to go to another level. Not saying it's all Burke but if he is just and good guard this is a completely different team regular season and tourney. But it is all opinion/view and I think you made some great ones. Cannot outright deny them as much as respecfully disagree. GO BLUE!!!!!
And a better thread title. An orignal thought clearly expressed in the OP would be nice too, bro.
In this game it will be a must for the starters to step up and hit shots.
Agree 100%. Swear I said at the start of the tourney that IF we made it to the NCG, I want anyone but UL or Duke. We got UL. Burke cannot have another game where he puts up 0-4 in either half, The Canadian Sniper needs to hit shots, Mitch needs to keep his pace, THJ needs to stop with the garbage shots as when he takes his time and gets a clean look he is solid and I still think GR3 needs to stop being so timid and see he is, Freshman or not, probably the best pro prospect on our team with his tool set. He defers too much. Starters have to fire out the gate like they did against Florida.
We have established that we can win without hitting on all cylinders--Big 3 shooters 5 for 29 agin Cuse. We have now beaten (at least) 3 different types of defenses that were supposed to shut us down. Anyone watching the Wichita State game yesterday knows Louisville can be beaten and has its own share of limitations. If Louisville plays great, we just got to play "greater"---if we play poorly, we just got to make them play worse. One game---however, it gets done. And the fact that Trey didn't do anything special last night just makes me more optimistic that he will tomorrow.
Very valid point. It's funny how yesterday in the "Syracuse team talking trash about how their zone would kill us" I mentioned that of the 3 teams left (other than us), WS would be our worst match up but Louisville would be harder to beat. WS was no joke and played ball that would have fit right in with the rough B10. Also, we are very similar to louisville and their star guards played by far their worst game of the year. If not for their bench we play WS Monday. Yet, like us, when playing well they can beat anyone in America. IMO, it's the kind of matchup we like as far as tempo but with that tempo we NEED our Guards to outplay theirs. Staus can't go cold like he did last night and MM needs to keep playing out of his mind because we have a habit of going up 10+ and then getting lazy with garbage shots/decisions. louisville are like the comeback kids this year. No lead is safe. Should we get up on them like that we can't fast break off a UL miss and toss up a contested 3 with 20+ secs still on the shot clock (looking at you THJ). Just, as you said, gotta play better than them and their is no elite team in CBB this year. Anyone can win or lose based on their play/decisions regardless of talent. Without such a wicked zone, I'm hoping for a Michigan team running to a UF game type start even if UL is hitting shots early. We need Burke driving the lane eventually allowing kickouts to open shooters that have to drain them.
If told that Burke would play just about every game in the tourney having a scoreless or very low point total in any one half I'd have bet cash we get bounced by game 2. He has had his moments scoring (Kansas!) but overall has shot pretty poorly ans not very much. Yet, it's kind of an "ace in the hole" as we're beating (some beatdowns) some good teams with players who came into the tourney ice cold and, honestly, flat out playing with a different style/mindset. Scoring totals or not, Burke is still this team's season and tourney MVP. MM has been balling out but Burke makes it happen with everything else if he isn't scoring. Naismith is announced today, right? If not Burke is would be a robbery. Not a better COLLEGE player in America.
I should mention that MCGARY may be just as good as Burke is now, and this is NOT taking anything away from Burke..
mcgary is doing it alone inside like a superstar.
Project this tournament numbers over the course of the season and Mcgary would be all-american...
In fact he will be next year..
Oh, no doubt Mitch is not even the same player he was in the regular season. Something kicked on for him or he just decided he knew he could do more so he did. Something. I'd still call Burke our tourney MVP but mainly because we lose to Kansas without him and he still facilitates in other ways when not scoring. Mitch has been soaking up teams eyeing Burke. That (and not playing in the toughest conference every other night) may be what has caused Mitch to flip a tourney switch I didn't think he had yet.
I don't think it's a forgone conclusion that McGary is gone. He probably got himself in the first round, but there's elements of his game he still needs to work on. And if he plays like the tourney over a season, then he's a lottery pick, and can have a more successful NBA career.
Win or not, I don't see him leaving. Aside from his monster tourney run he looked like a 4 year Hansborough type player during the season. After the NCG, win or lose, people and scouts will remember that he had a very undraftable regular season. The tourney play got the talking heads bringing him up going early. Now, if he keeps it going into next year he could be gone then. I think we lose TB & THJ (even he I think may come back). Next year will be youth at guard but a much more assured GR3, Staus & Mitch staring with whoever wins the guard spots. Easily a Tourney team.
He just said like 2 days ago he's 100% coming back next year.
Guess he took that back when we beat UF and he got back to school. Probably just a mindset of "I can NBA ball based on what scouts are saying" but those scouts will look at his regular season remember that 6 games don't turn you from undrafted to a 1st runder. Plus, if he did in fact say he is now thinking about it (as some have reported) it could just be motivation for this team to win NOW! I don't think he goes but he did say 100% "no"......and then reports came out of him saying "well, i'm going to have to think about it". I'd wager he is here for at least another year, if not more if he gets keyed on by shock jumps by GR3, bad new guard play, etc.
If NBA scouts are telling him he's suddenly a lottery pick, that would be hard to pass up. Especially if MIchigan wins on Monday night.
No, even with his tourney play the highest he is projected is 24th, IIRC. In the NBA, that is like being an NFL 5th-6th rounder but with guaranteed money. I think, win or lose, he returns.
I disagree about tourney MVP. McGary has been the best and most consistent player on our team thoughout the tourney. Burke had the big 2nd half and OT against Kansas, but throughout the tournament it's been McGary.
Not knocking MM's amazing tourney run but Burke's point drop and MM's number gains are related. Burke facilitates his success and, love it like you should, we don't beat Kansas without Burke. Not even a game in the 2nd half if he doesn't go off.
True, but if he wasn't absent in the first half he wouldn't have had to go off like that in the 2nd half. Let's not forget that McGary had 25pts, 14reb, 3stl, 1ast, and 1blk in that game. We don't win without him either.
VERY TRUE and valid. Yet, don't forget the overall point that with MM's overall game and Burke's wnd half, we still were straight up outplayed and should have lost. Mitch got his numbers the entire game largely to Burke nd especially the first half. Mitch just isn't the guy who could have kept us in that game and tied with halfcourt 3s while down big under a minute. So, again, I agree we don't win without MM's play as well! I'd call him that games MVP. Just, overall, including Kansas and the others games Burke has been the biggest reason we're in the NCG. I'd call him our tourney MVP but another huge game and Mitch might win it record book, no opinion style. I'm not knocking the play of anyone but merely tossing out my opinion that is Burke was anything but the best player in America we're out of this tourney a few games back or last night.
Obviously the offense runs through Burke, and I'm not discounting anything he's done, I just feel McGary has been the more consistent and better overall player throughout the tourney. It's not a huge difference, but a difference nonetheless.
I absolutely get your point and it is really impossible to argue against or say it's wrong. MM has been the most consistent, by far. I just think due to Kansas alone and the attention Burke gets out of fear facilitates the success of others. It's just SO awesome to be able to have different opinions and both be amazing things, lol. Like, both are valid and regardless of which is more valid.....as fans either opinion is "everyone gets a round on me" worthy. haha
This may have been his best defensive game. 5 steals!
What should I title my threads?
Please make your thread titles as informative as possible: "Justin Feagin" is bad. "Justin Feagin leaving the team?" is good.
I knew you would be the one to post this.
About the rules of the board now, we are playing for a national title boys!!!! Go Blue!
Hardaway made the play of the game saving that Burke pass from going out of bounds. I still dont know how the hell he managed to do that, but that play may have saved that game for us. Not exactly a great game from either, but THE TEAM (THE TEAM THE TEAM) stepped up when it mattered.
Syracuse probably would have bricked the next shot anyways....but Hardaway's save did help us breathe easier faster...
Very very good point. Wasn't until the reply that I noticed how he somehow saved that. Being a bigger CFB fan (by far) I often look at their size:athleticism ratio and drool at the thought of guys like THJ lining at WR, lol. That save was stopping almost full sprint on a dime, stopping a momentum laden ball torching to the sideline and Tim reaching a long arm out to catch it, posess it and get rid of it. Another great play, for sure!
So tight around here, a guy titles a thread after the best player to step foot on this campus since Charles woodson and we bitch about a name of a thread. Get off my fuckingmlawn while you are at it. Jeesh! Guys like Woodson, Desmond, Trey, and a few other legends should be the exception for the title rule around here...it could be our way of recognizing them as the "greatest," they are bigger than any of us! Either way....lets win tomorrow and be Champs!
pedestrian in this tournament save for the brilliant second half versus Kansas. Sir Charles ALWAYS performed in the biggest games. You cannot say that for Burke.
Since you decided to bring in players from other sports I would have to remind you that Marty Turco and Brendan Morrison were here in 1998. I'd say both were better than Burke. This isn't to forget to mention Denard, Jake Long, Mike Hart, and a softball player or two.
Burke has had a great season, but he is behind Grant, Rose, and Ricky Green.
"Behind" anyone if he wins it all.
Trey has a chance to win a national title how many of those people on that list can say that.
Morrison won one (plus the Hobey Baker), and Turco won two.
Football and Basketball are kings. Comparisons to Charles and Desmond are viable, but don't bring hockey and softball into this. As far as talent and exposure go, those three and Denard are the upper echelon.
Football is king. Basketball comes next, but it doesn't approach football in importance.
Didnt play well last night but has been very important to this teams run. I just said trey has been the best player to come to Michigan since Woodson, we have had good players but really none who have accomplished as much as Trey. He has lead his team to the brink of a championship. Most on your list cannot say the same.
He only ended up taking three shots. 2 were for three and was such a boost off the bench. Why not go with the hot hand? But in the end, we won, great effort by everyone. . .
And Spike were the difference, still, I'm not gonna lie, as soon as Cariss catches the ball he makes me soooo nervous, but I thought particularly Spike should have played a little more if not for matchup problems on defense...
Did someone burn a couch in AA? If this is true can we stone them?
The Daily posted a picture of a bunch of people burning a couch on their Facebook account.
EDIT: Now with aforementioned picture.