dantonio is a jerk.
Bumping into Coaches Izzo and Dantonio
Way to keep it classy. Should've said something about recruiting though
I don't think Grateful Blue wanted a pack of Spartan football players showing up at his door for their annual beatdown.
Part of me wants to yell at you for the horrendous thread this is going to spark.
ending would have been vastly improved if you had kicked Dantonio in the nuts, just for the fun of it
I hoped he used his car when he bumped into Dantonio
nothing worse than chitchat with a stranger on an elevator or a plane.
you're paid millions of dollars to be the face of hundreds of thousands alumni and represent your state. In that case you have to realize that is part of your job.
Funny, I thought he was paid millions to be a football coach.
Usually it's only in the hundreds of thousands to be a football coach. The millions come into play with PR-type stuff.
Given the degree to which the local media has fawned over Dantonio, and how he maintains a national reputation of being a "tough disciplinarian" depite not punishing a soul on his roster, I'd say he has the PR thing aced.
I've seen MSU on at least 2 different national broadcasts in the past year in which the talking heads raved about how he was a strict disciplinarian and a man of god.
As a matter of fact, I'm positive you saw one of them, because it was this year's Michigan/MSU game.
His local rep can be almost totally attributed to the contrast he enjoyed with Rich Rodriguez in a state that can justifiably be called xenophobic
Where on earth does this come from?
When a complete stranger goes out of his way to tell you on an elevator that he's a fan of your hated rival, are you really obligated to "represent" anything to him? You're not going to win him over regardless.
I got stuck in an elevator once, for 6 hours, while I was trying to catch a plane. It was 90 degrees in there.
That was bad.
I HATE the "stop and chat"
Forgive Dantonio. He's had a rough 2011.
looked over at your gf and said "Oh, by the way, remind me to call my little brother when we get back. I forgot that my little brother called and I should get back to him. You know how my little brother gets if I don't call him back. He is my little brother, after all."
And yes, I realize this is tasteless and rude. But it's Dantonio.
"Sweet Home, Alabama" for a couple of floors.
I would also like to commend you on your super bowl intros back in february
Dantonio and Izzo couldn't be more different. Personally I think Dantonio is a jerk, but most people who know him say he is just socially awkward. I've seen him at events, in rooms filled with MSU supporters, hardly say a peep to anyone.
I didn't appreciate until watching some of RR's struggles at U of M (and I do not mean to start that discussion) just how important being a politician is for a coach at a big-time program. Some people just aren't good at that - or at least they aren't good at doing it in some circumstances.
I'm also a Michigan grad, but I'm from Okemos, right outside of East Lansing. Like most of us, I have a ton of MSU friends, so I have some Kevin Bacon style friend of a friend relationships with Danonio and Izzo. Izzo is actually a pretty good friend of my uncle, and I hear nothing but great stories about him. He also is an extremely approachable, friendly man, when I 've met him on occassion.
A couple years ago, I went to a fundraiser for a girl with cancer, at the MSU football stadium. Dantonio was the guest speaker. During his speech, he referred to the girl incorrectly (by name), and I thought that was a bit strange. He also seems to be generally unhappy, but maybe that's his public persona. I obviously don't know him personally.
Than again, I'd be angry too, if I had to compete with Hoke, and his recruiting excellence!
in grumpy, old men. Its going to get worse for him. I expect to see the scowl worsen with time. Funny stuff.
No stinkpalm deployed for Dantonio? Bad form, indeed!
A small price to pay for the smiting... of one's enemies.
Michigan drinking ALL his milk shake...
The differences you describe are exactly what I would have expected.
he might have had indigestion or just learned that his favorite uncle died, but I'd say Coach D is an unpleasant person, too.
Sort of OT I know but i had the occasion to meet and talk to Tressel several years ago at a banquet here in Northern Ohio. Sad to say I thought i understood how he was able to lock down the borders of the state in recruiting - he was very nice and hospitable to me and i was flying the full colors (maize n blue embossed M polo) while we spoke.
Now i find out he had even powerful weapons in his recruiting arsenal.
60% of the time, it works everytime
I don't know if it would have been possible to ask the question about recruiting without smiling knowingly immediately after. That could have sparked an incident, or at least given Dantonio a chance to dress you down in front of your gf, which obviously would have sucked. However, there probably was a 50% chance that if the two of you had exchanged unpleasantries, it would have ended with something like:
MD: "You don't know what you're talking about you little shit!"
GB: "I know you can't win a recruiting head-to-head right now vs. Coach Hoke."
MD: "This is ridiculous. I eat pieces of shit like you for breakfast!"
GB: "You eat pieces of shit for breakfast!?"
Elevator door opens, you walk out with him still pointing his finger at you.
I think it's fair to say that we've all known Sean Ornery is a troll for a long time, but hearing of your Michigan State fandom is a new and exciting twist to the saga.
Are you always an insufferable dickhead?
I'd ASS-U-ME that MD is an introvert, I'm not defending him but I know how painful It can be to talk to people. Having said that I still have wish only bad things for his program.
but that doesn't give you the right to be a douchebag to people who wants to strike up converstation with you no matter how hard it is to talk to people. From all account from what I hear about Dantonio, he is an ass-hat.
MD made his bed by being a HC, I give two shits if he an Introvert or a ra-tard, whatever, that’s MSU's problem.
Sad thing is if I was in that elevator I wouldn't of said a word to either of them, I'm sure my wife would say something (she would talk to a tree stump) and I would join in IF needed. Now if Bo was in that elevator security would have to peel me off his leg.
I'm an introvert too, but I still can make small talk and be cordial amongst strangers when the situation call for it. Lloyd Carr is a guy who I'd describe as an introvert.
Honestly, from the description from the OP, Dantonio sounds more anti-social than introverted, which for a head coach, is kind of a bad combination.
Would seem to include public flatulence, but the OP didn't say anything about it.
OP: Did you catch a sudden whiff of malodorous air when you were talking with Dantonio?
Those things your mother calls anti-social aren't really anti-social.
But last year, I was on an elevator with Brock Mealer. He was headed up to one of the suites before the Iowa game. I took the time to shake his hand and say hello. That seemed like a worthy time to break my own rule on elevator etiquette.
He was like that when he was here at Cincinnati. He refused to help push ticket sales because he hated having to do any PR. When he went to MSU I wished my brother luck because I said while Dantonio can coach he is not someone you want to be the public face of your school. If he were a Dr we would say he has no bedside manners.
Just maybe they were going back to their rooms so Izzo could chastise MD for PMSu ing in front of people or maybe he just had cramps...
I've been mystified how Dantonio hasn't been able to convert MSU's onfield success the past few seasons into attracting a higher caliber of recruit to East Lansing. After hearing this story and the picture it paints of Dantonio's personna, it starts to make more sense.
Success relative to us the past three years isn't promotion worthy success.
Maybe he just got some more disturbing news from the coach at Farmington Hills Harrison.
I'm glad Dantonio is evil because it gives me a reason to still hate the Spartons. With Izzo being such a class act thank god they have a pompous Woody Hayes wannabe running their football program.
With Izzo being such a class act
I can't believe how many people seem to have amnesia about what this guy's said and done to us over the years.
It's painfully obvious why Dantonio is such a jerk and Izzo is not. Izzo is genuinely content at his job. Dantonio on the other hand, is now and will continue to be miserable until he becomes Ohio State's head coach. The man has a hard on for the Buckeyes more than anyone. His time in East Lansing to him is nothing but a proxy run at competing against Michigan, but deep down he's miserable at not having the recruiting muscle he would at Ohio State. He's enjoyed the ride that came with the RR transition melt down, but he, like the rest of us, knows that time has passed, and odds of things returning to normal (i.e., UM crushing MSU consistently) is imminent. This will be his last strong year before his team returns to Big 10 mediocrity, where it will stay for years, resulting in his ultimate dismissal. His one hope is for Tressel to get the shit can, for Meyers to balk, and for the Buckeye job to fall in his lap.
I hate Dantonio now, I'll hate him twice as much if that ever happens.
but with the roles reversed. I'm sure that he would be very friendly and would have joked around a little bit. Heck he would probably offer the MSU fan a Nutty Bar. I'm glad we have such a genuine coach.
I hope MD is the next coach at OSU. It would be funny for him to spurn little bro and both schools would be a downgrade for both schools!
The post is super because it might be giving some insight into one reason Hoke is doing so well in recruiting against MD. There is obviously a totally different energy there.
Dantonio's not my favorite guy in the world, but I'm not going to judge anyone on how he/she behaves in an elevator. On the awkwardness scale, elevator riding is only a few notches behind standing next to someone at a urinal.
This is totally true, though I will say that I've heard from others that Dantonio definitely doesn't hide his prejudices against certain fanbases, even in contexts when that really shouldn't matter. I agree we can't judge him based on this interaction alone, but he's been kind of a tool since he started at MSU, and I'm starting to think that the tones of these interactions are not random.
I can buy that he's a jerk; I just think that approaching him in an elevator and saying "Hi Coach Dantonio. I'm a Michigan fan. How are you?" is not the best way to evaluate what kind of a person he is.
BTW, anyone who thinks that Tom Izzo doesn't loathe this school with the burning intensity of 1,000 suns is way off-base. He just hides it better.
I don't disagree that Izzo hates UM, but RR hated OSU/MSU, same with Carr and Bo. But outside of the rivalry week stuff, I always felt like the coaches could handle themselves professionally around other fans. I guess that's always been my problem with Dantonio - he can't hide his distaste for UM and he isn't a good enough coach for people to brush that aside as "just his competitiveness."
I'm not going to get into the debate of whether or not Dantonio or Izzo owed the OP anything more than a head nod, but this minor interaction seems to square with the perceptions of both men by non-alumni. Izzo has been one of the best coaches in college since he showed up in EL, and has always carried himself with a certain dignity even though it can be grating at times. The guy is a winner and isn't afraid to remind you of it, but he also runs a (reasonably) clean program by big-time standards, and has earned the respect of most logical fans even if they don't like the team.
Dantonio, by comparison, comes across as the jerk that I've seen reported other places. I know everyone says "He's paid to be a football coach, not an ambassador" and I get that to an extent, but part of the deal with being paid millions of dollars is that you'll have to interact with people, some of whome are not your biggest fans, at times. That doesn't mean he has to stand there when being attacked verbally, but when a couple is riding in an elevator with you and just want to say hi, you have to put on a good face for the sake of the University that employs you, as you are a prominent member of that organization. Even to UM fans, you are expected to be cordial provided they do not appear antagonistic, and nothing in the post above makes me think he was being combative.
Now, I know Carr was a prickly man and was rough around the edges with the media and opposing fans at times, but he always represented the University well and my guess is that he would have shaken an MSU fan's hand and at least been professional. Maybe Dantonio was having a bad day or the OP isn't telling the whole story with context, but Dantonio always struck me as a guy who thinks he's a little bigger deal than he actual is, while Izzo gets that being a BMOC also means you have to be nice to people who might disagree with you.
Hey I'm going to a wedding at that same place in a couple weeks if only Coach Hoke and Beilein are there that would be great....but Hoke will probably be out securing another twosome of 4 star commits.
I think Dantonio choosing to not have a conversation with you is fine as far as politness goes but he at least could have not been an asshole and given you a smile and handshake. Izzo is just a generally likeable guy even without building his program up to be considered among the elite in college basketball.
But what do I know, I thought Tressel (besides his dickish proclamation that he was going to beat us in his first year) was a decent guy too and that was so very very wrong
Maybe a dickish proclamation, but did he do it? Just gotta walk the walk.
I think Tressel is a decent human being by most accounts I've heard, I just question his ethics. People can have poor ethical skills. That doesn't make them bad human beings. It's only one corner of the rhetorical triangle.
It's not like we don't get a good dose of Dantonio in the media; we've all seen him dozens of times. If this were one story about a guy in an elevator, fine, MD gets a pass.
But watching him on TV the last few years, I get a pretty strong feeling that he's a rather unpleasant, scowling guy without a sense of humor. We may not know the man personally, but I'm of the belief that we can all draw a fairly accurate picture of whether we'd want to hang out with the guy. I'm certain I wouldn't.
Bo played the role of disciplinarian, too; in his case, though, it was real. But he had a sense of humor that came through fairly often. Bo had a sparkle in his eye that Dantonio will never have.
Tressel is a charmer; love him or hate him, you know if you met him he'd at least act like a nice guy. I've met Carr, and he comes across as a nice and friendly guy who simply doesn't suffer fools gladly.
Dantonio's personality - at least his public persona - is just not friendly. I hope he goes to OSU eventually, and that will make beating OSU all the more sweet.
Retired general in the military. His attitude and demeanor drove lots of people out of the company we both worked for, and drove away clients. The message, which he never got, is that it only works when you're the guy in charge and you don't answer to many people.
And you didn't pull the fire alarm?
Kidding aside, I worried when I read the topic title; glad you went the classy route.
And I think Dantonio is trying to be Saban; the personality of a dead fish, but wins a lot. You know, without that "winning a lot" part yet.
Not even close. Atleast Saban is smart enough to FAKE being an outgoing person when the situation calls for it. Dumbtonio is just an angry limp noodle of a man no matter what the situation.
Bay Harbor is a nice place to be. One person had a 1950s-style Batmobile convertible with tail fins and a black-with-red-trim pain job. I don't have any pictures on me but it was cool to check the car out when I was there one summer (he had it parked in front of some of the shopping buildings).