Looks like the DB Channing Stribling mentioned in yesterday's recruiting round up got his offer and probably will commit tomorrow, at least according to Matt Pargoff's blog. He's a 2013 recruit that looks like was very impressive in camp. He's not rated by rivals and a 2 star over at scout.
Buckle Up for CB STribling for tomorrow?
If the coaches think he is good enough, so do I. I wonder if they will continue to recruit McQuay and Fuller, or if they stop going after all DB prospects.
We don't have many spots left, and I would rather see that spot go to one of the many 4/5 stars we're in on tbh... but nearly every time I've doubted Hoke I've been wrong, so I should probably stop. If Hoke thinks he's worthy of an offer, so do I. So long as we still end up with Treadwell I'll be a happy man.
There were 4 5-stars and 4 2-stars in the first round of the last NFL draft, and ~50 other 2 stars scattered throughout the rest of the draft. Stars mean the kid is probably a good athlete AND has gotten exposure. I have faith this coaching staff knows what they want.
and sniff out a fallacy...
but maybe I am wrong?
ps. if Hoke wants him then sounds good to me...
Staff must not feel confident about Fuller and McQuay.
With Fuller, it sounds like we are in third place. With McQuay, I think we have a good shot. My only guess is that maybe McQuay projects better at safety, while this kid is more of a true corner.
All name team?
I think they are done messing around and their mentality is you are in or out, we can replace you. It is a matter of how bad do you WANT to be a Michigan Man!
I really doubt the coaches have adopted a "whoever wants to play at Michigan most gets the offer" approach.
I also doubt they're telling kids that they need to hurry up and commit. It's JUNE.
I don't know about all of you, but it seems like this would have been a guy that we could have offered in October and gotten. If he is someone who REALLY wanted to come here, couldn't we have waited to see if McQuay or Fuller panned out before offering?
I guess we shouldn't doubt Hoke, and there is some history of un-heralded guys doing very well here, so this could turn out to be the best thing we could have done. Still an interesting decision.
LET'S ALL FREAK OUT!
Commit 22? Does this mean I have to start following class of 2014?
Stars don't matter to the staff, only us fools worry about them. If the coaches feel he warrants an offer then I'm sure he is legit.
why does almost everyone they offer have a lot of them?
I know, chicken and egg and all of that. But I don't think it's pure coincidence that the guys we offer are very highly rated about 90% of the time.
You make an argument against coincidence, when it appears that you're trying to make an argument for causality. The fact that the Michigan coaching staff tends to like the same guys that recruiting services do shouldn't be taken to imply that the Michigan coaching staff gives a shit about recruiting services.
(And yes, I know you say "chicken and egg and all", but acknowledging the misapplication of causal reasoning doesn't mean that you should do it anyway.)
I simply find it interesting, and I'm not sure I was making a definitive argument, especially one to get called on in such a way, but ok.
If he was really serious about playing for UM, he would have committed already.
to be unhappy...
but the kid has to commit first.
There are just too many variables for us to even pretend we know if this is a good or bad call. I trust the coaches.
His video sure doesn't look like a 2 star. What I don't understand is the lack of offers. He plays for one of the better teams in NC. Strange.
The staff got to watch him play for three days, so he must be legit.
He seems more of an athlete than a corner and that may be why a lot of schools were waiting on him. Being that he is a junior in hs, he may outgrow the corner position.
He will be comitting tomorrow.
when the Party Room says it
We're supposedly taking 24 commits, so with this commitment, 2 spots are left available. Who do these spots go to? We're in the top 3 for 4 very dominant recruits; Fuller, Treadwell, Mathis, and McQuay III. Either the coaches are expecting additional attrition to get to 25 to be able to take 3 of these guys or they don't feel confident in their chances with them, so they only expect to get 1 or 2 of them. Which begs the question: why not wait to see what happens with these recruits, before sending an offer out to a developmental prospect, or bank the scholarship for 2014?
However, the coaches have intensely scrutinized his play by all accounts and he seems to have been met with their approval, which should be fine for all of us. But why then, is the recruit so lowly ranked if he goes to a prominent school and is supposedly so very good?
Just some thoughts. I personally find it puzzling, but I assume the coaches know better than me, so I'll just follow their lead.
Many English speakers use "begs the question" to mean "raises the question," or "impels the question," and follow that phrase with the question raised, for example, "this year's deficit is half a trillion dollars, which begs the question: how are we ever going to balance the budget?" Philosophers and many grammarians deem such usage incorrect. Academic linguist Mark Liberman recommends avoiding the phrase entirely, noting that because of shifts in usage in both Latin and English over the centuries, the relationship of the literal expression to its intended meaning is unintelligible and therefore it is now "such a confusing way to say it that only a few pedants understand the phrase."
Wikipedia is not reliable. Scholarly sources only.
It's a colloquial phrase that I used in a colloquial setting.
Just because it's a common phrase doesn't make it right. I could walk around saying "ain't", "I could care less", "For all intensive purposes", and "Irregardless", but I don't.
I thank you for being respectful of others by refraining.
"I could care less" is a proper phrase, improperly used, "for all intensive purposes" is a phrase that doesn't make sense in a ll but a few cases, and "irregardless" isn't a word either. Would it appease the grammar gods if the phrase was used as such, "it begs for the question, ...."? I didn't take the time to read through his paper, but I'm inclined to disagree with you. The phrases you cited either aren't words or are illogical. "it begs for the question" seems to be a perfectly acceptable phrase for use in passing conversation. If it makes you feel better, know that I don't use the phrase when writing papers of an academic nature.
HOWEVA, the case against using "begs the question" in its colloquial sense is that there are countless ways of saying the same thing without also invoking a technical philosophical term for an entirely different concept.
For example, you could alternatively say: "raises the question", "prompts the question", "makes me really, really want to ask the question", "reliably precipitates the question in the minds of all who contemplate the issue", etc.
So what does make a phrase that the majority of people understands the meaning of "right" (or wrong)? My understanding is that there exist competing schools of thought on this matter.
And for this, we thank you!
- It's possible the coaches know more about attrition than we do. Not to open speculation on any specific players, but with the killer recruiting going on at the moment, there must be a couple players looking hard at the depth chart and maybe not liking what they see.
- He'll get a ratings boost if he has a committable Michigan offer, or at least I'd be surprised if he didn't (not that I'm someone that anyone should listen to on recruiting matters).
That the coaches must be expecting some additional attrition. The Big Ten does put a limit of 25 recruits per year, with an allowance for 28 with early enrollees, so they can't really expand the class past 24 though. I figure they'll boost him up to a 3 star, but it'd be pretty cool if we saw an Ondre Pipkins' style rise.
The only person I feel we have better than a 50% shot at is Treadwell. Mathis and Fuller really don't feel like they might seriously come here
Maybe this means the coaches really like Jourdan Lewis at WR?
Yep, I was thinking about this possibility as well. Of course they may be anticipating some additional losses or, like Pipkins, they may have just have a recruit that will blow up closer to NSD. No worries here as I know Hoke and Co. have done their homework.
Did all of the coaches in that kid's league get to gother and decide throwing up jump balls in his direction was the best way to go about playing this kid? Seems good enough on film, he's got the tools to make an impact, and apparently he was a gamer these past three days.
This might be one of the most under the radar pick ups by a team with the #1 recruiting class though. His Youtube film has ~200 hits (I'd bet a lot came in the past hour too) and he hired one of those recruiting agencies. Typically you end up at a small school when you turn to those services.
Steve, A.K.A Aquaman, has said that it is a done deal. Welcome to Team134, Channing. Go blue!
Tremendous just said they got off the phone with him and he said he would commit tomorrow!
Steve Lorenz @TremendousUM
Channing said he was going to wait a week or so, but after talking to his mother and getting her blessing, he will commit to Michigan.
Welcome aboard Channing!
I'm curious to hear more about him when he commits. Apparently he dominated camp, and if the coaches want him in maize and blue, then I do too.
Just saw on facebook that he will be committing tomarrow per Tremndous!
With Ace on vacation and Brian in ny I believe, who will do the Hello post?
I'm scared....hold me.
dang it beaten to the punch o well, Go Blue!
Didn't realize these other 2013 recruits play on his HS team, Matthews (NC) Butler:
LB Peter Kalambayi - offers from pretty much everyone
QB Riley Ferguson - committed to Tennessee
WR Uriah LeMay - committed to Georgia
Michigan had interest in all those guys at one point in time so they have probably done their homework and then some on Stribling. It is interesting that a team so loaded with prospects could have a player fly under the radar like this. That will be one interesting HS team to follow this fall.