you can find it here
there would have to be some to wash away
I actually thought the link was pretty creative....
And it wasn't the typo...that's no fun, it happens. It was the AMUSING typo. That's comedy.
That was a pretty nifty little trick. You're good at internets.
“The show-cause penalty against Tressel signifies he is a serious offender and means that any NCAA school that hires him could be subject to sanctions for appointing him as football coach absent a showing it should escape penalties.”
buckeye plannet meltdown, enjoy fellas:
Only 1 postseason ban? I was hoping for 2 or maybe 10.
Bowl ban = new Dunn speculation!
"The Dispatch also reported that Ohio State will lose four additional scholarships per year for the next three years. That's on top of the loss of five scholarships the school self-imposed."
Does that mean they lose a total of 17 over 3 years?
It looks like ESPN misquoted the Dispatch.
No it means 9 total. They added 4 to the 5 they self imposed.
does not mean 9 total. Whether or not that is correct remains to be seen.
Sorry I misread that. You are right it might be a total higher than I originally thought.
because that might not be correct if The Dispatch was misquoted by ESPN. Wouldn't be the first time. Guess we'll know for sure shortly.
I was hoping the ESPN article was right (agree that it's a misquote) but maybe it was a Freudian slip of the writer who may not be an OSU fan...
Better than I feared, not as hard on Ohio as deserved. I wonder if it will placate USC or is that school going to sue the NCAA?
If trust means anything to recruits, then Hoke has a wealth of ammunition to bring with him on the trail now.
As great as this seems, it is even sweeter to beat them at full strength.
But I'll take it...
Also, only 9 total schollies over 3 years? That's only 3 a year on average. Schollies make a slight difference, but the Bowl Ban is the only tangible punishment they can hand out now. Tressel was already gone.
some poor walk on or 5th year no longer gets a scholie
on top of the Big Ten rules? Can Ohio still play in the Big championship game if they are serving a bowl ban?
Nope, no postseason games which includes CCG
Is it 9 schollies lost per year or 9 altogether in 3 years?
NCAA is tacking on 4 over the self-imposed 5.
9 total, with more at the first year, I believe 3 self imposed, then 2, and 1. I'd guess itll go 4 the first year, 3 the second year, and 2 the third. Limiting scholarships lets the punished school trim off the bottom of its list, while the bowl ban inadvertantly trims recruits from the top of the list, and encourages early draft enrolling.
Do they have anyone we should anticipate may jump to the pros?
Read ESPN. Reporting scholarships are 4 more per year, on top of the self imposed
that is actually significant.
And probably completely wrong. It's an additional 4 scholarships TOTAL.
Yeah, I saw this as well. Would be more significant.
I am actually a little surprised. I thought it was going to be a slap on the wrist. Congrats to the NCAA for finally not backing down and actually handing out something other than a wagging finger.
and have a holiday chuckle
I hope those arrogant, holier-than-thou mofos in C'bus are (paraphrasing Jackie Chiles), stupefied, mystified, and horrified. Apparently St. Urban and his master G. Gee can't control EVERYTHING. Let the tears of unfathomable sadness flow in buckeye-land, let the recruit-snatching begin, and let the Michigan reign of domination over tsio last 1,000 years. Huzzah!!
Now Urban can coach AND spend more time with his family! It's a win-win for the Meyers.
This is still a total slap on the wrist. I doubt recruits will be swayed one way or another because their favorite school can't play in a bowl game when they are true freshmen. Having 82 scholarships instead of 85 is basically just a minor inconvenience.
As far as I know Meyer basically said "When the dust settles OSU will be fine" and that looks to be the case.
scholarships is trivial, why do people complain so much about oversigning? Because it's not trivial. A bowl ban may not change a recruit's mind, but it surely is more than a slap on the wrist. Somehow I doubt the motive for the NCAA is to impose penalties large enough to ensure Dunn jumps ship.
It's the quantity that makes a difference. Oversigning makes a big impact because the schools that do it as a policy sign an extra 25+ kids every 4 years. They're oversigning an entire extra class per graduation cycle or more than double what Ohio will now lose, and not for just 3 years, but every year. Ohio is only going to lose 3 a year, so will Meyer will likely just not renew 3 5th year players that he didn't recruit and call it a day. The bowl ban wont even affect recruits unless they plan on being true freshman starters because it's only 1 year.
It is three a year for three years. They can sign 22 recruits in every class. To give you some perspective, Michigan signed 22 or fewer recruits in 2002, 2003, 2004, 2006, 2007, 2009, and 2011. In 2005 we signed just 23.
OSU isn't competing directly against teams that oversign in the SEC (and who knows how long that practice will be permitted), so I don't see them being harmed in any significant manner.
If the worst of the punishment is "they might not be able to compete with an SEC team if they play for the national title", then it isn't much punishment at all.
I may be wrong, but can't they still sign 25 if they only get to 82 total? I don't think OSU has suffered much attrition, being short three scholarships is going to make each class smaller than it could be. Might not matter, but think where they would have been without Troy Smith.
I just know USC's punishment meant they could only sign 15 AND had to stay under 75 total, so I just assume that OSU's will be similarly structured. If all they have to do is stay under 82 then the punishment is basically non-existent as you could just peace out a few non-productive upperclassmen every year and still comply.
I'm not sure what you don't get. Meyer told Dunn (according to Dunn) that nothing worse was going to happen. That turned out to be a lie.
They can't play in a bowl game in the kid's freshman year and they got dinged another 1.3333333333 scholarships per year for three years over what they had already self-imposed. That is about as minor as the extra punishment could get.
To turn that into "OMG, he's lying to this kid's face!" is a severe stretch. It also isn't like the kid had signed an LOI and would now be fucked over. I'm pretty sure Dunn could give two shits about these new penalties and is still going to OSU.
Call it however you want, but the ruling today does not coincide with what Dunn publicly said Meyer told him. Meyer acted like he knew what was going to happen (and told recruits this) but later retracted and said he had no assurances. How do you know what Dunn is thinking? Maybe he really is pissed off about being lied to but is now too worried about how he would be treated in his home state if he opened his recruitment back up (LOI or not). I'm not saying this is definitely the case, but you don't know either.
my day just got that much better. America
Any body read the twitters and what recruits are sayinng, you all knnow who I am speaking of?
The best part is reading the first few pages of that Buckeye Planet thread, from when the allegations first hit. What a collectively dumb fanbase.
I've also enjoyed reading about " NCAA presidences" and OSU's "impotence". Lol.
This is a fair judgment, IMHO. It is approximately what I thought last spring.