"OK, so it's worse than I thought it might be, but in the grand scheme, at least we didn't kill five...well...you know the rest, right?"
Buckeye-geddon: 1-year bowl ban, 9 schollies, extra probation, JT Show Cause
Should have self imposed a bowl ban this year, enh Buckeyes? Although the real icing on the cake is the JT show cause.
The team will definitely need to be on their toes next year, because The Game just because tOSU's bowl game.
and to all a good night!
Time to turn up the Christmas music!
Where are the Schadenfruede links? I want Schadenfruede and I want it now!
11 Warriors is completely offline right now.
I've had to resort to their SbN blog: http://www.alongtheolentangy.com/
Dunn thread coming? He needs to decommit from Ohio and come play for Hoke where he won't be punished for something he didn't do and for a coach who has never lied to him.
I don't think this changes anything for Dunn. Odds are he won't be the feature back for a year (if he ever is, considering Meyer's spread), so missing one bowl is little to do. And the loss of nine scholarships over three years isn't going to degrade OSU's capabilities too much. More likely, it will stop deserving walk-ons from getting scholarships. So really, if Dunn wanted to a Buckeye so badly, and it seems clear he did, I can't see this changing anything.
Agreed. He will stay with Meyer and become one of their best blocking backs of all time. If he works hard, he might even get to play special teams.
It's obvious he is a Buckeye at heart...he chose OSU and he needs to live with that decision. Skills mean squat when your heart and determination aren't in it. Bring on a talented 2013 class that loves Michigan.
Bucknuts is down as well
From junior class (not this Brionte Dunn class I believe)
- total 82 (2013, subtract 3 from 85), 82 (2014), 82 (2015). Total 9;
- or Urban does his math and figures out the optimal combination (for example, no reduction in 2013, 2014 but only 76 total in 2015)
Not a big deal considering all the walk-ons earning schollies. He will still get his lion's share of talents. Of course, it is a totally different monster if it is a reduction like USC suffered.
It means they are only allowed to have 82 (85 - 3) scholarship athletes on the roster for the next 3 years.
Glad they got at least what they did, but I'm surprised that they didn't get at least a two year bowl ban for knowingly using ineligible players in last year's bowl.
Love the pandemonium.
i'm guessing they can have 76 recruits instead of 85, but the bowl ban hurts them BADLY.
They can have a max of 82 for three years.
Looking for some clarification on the scholarships. How does it work? How many scholarship years are they losing here? Is it 9 scholarship years so that they can bring in guys and tell them they'll have to pay for a year of school, or is it 36 scholarship years? I'm going with the understanding that a scholarship has four scholarship years (years on scholarship).
Over the next three years normally they would have a total of 255 players on Scholarship, or 85 per year. This means that over the next three years they can have a total of 246 players.
So it's up to them how to do this, they count do 3 per year and only have a max of 82 guys on scholarship for '12, '13, and '14. Or they could do 0, 3, 6; or 0, 0, 9, something along those lines.
Scholarships aren't a 4-year thing, honest coaches will honor them, and if a coach doesn't that's where we get into the SEC's "yearly scholarship" excuse they use to justify oversigning.
So yeah, they could bring guys in, and have them pay for a year themselves or something along those lines
shredders and hard drive reformats for Christmas this season ... because if the truth ever comes out ????
Remember when USC got their ban, the younger guys were allowed to transfer...I'd like to know if that is possible at OSU.
It's not the younger guys, it's the older guys. The bowl ban effects the rising seniors, so I believe theyw ould be allowed to transfer without having a sit out a year.
What cracks me up is the amount of righteous indignation coming out of columbus. The commentors on the dispatch article seem to think that they got too severe of a penalty because "everyone's doing it". they still have no idea what they did was wrong. Not to mention the fact that they never bring up tressel's cover up when explaining away their problems. The level of delusion coming from columbus is worse than I could have ever imagined.
If this does not translate into a Michigan advantage on all fronts, I'm going to lose it.
we tend to keep to ourselves.
They are talking about legal action against the NCAA on Bucknuts. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
that USC should take, right?
They're all about fairness at Bucknuts, after all...
Anyone see that Scott McVey applied for medical harship? McVey held offers from Ohio State and Michigan among other schools. He played for Cleveland St. Ignatius and his injury his senior season allowed for the emergence of Jake Ryan. There was already speculation that his career might be over, but it's also well known that the medical hardship is an SEC recruiting tool. Especially since Meyer is down a few schollies now I just found it interesting. If it's purely for medical reasons I feel bad for the kid
Medical hardshipp scholarships happen more than you would like to think. Just schools like Alabama for some reason has more of those cases.
I think Hoke medical'd two players this year. It may be an SEC thing, but sending 1 kid here and there who has an injury history isn't the same as sending them to St. Saban's Memorial Hospital
If this turns out to be correct, then they got off fairly easily. Scholarship losses are what hurt, and 9 isn't such a huge number - just ask USC. The bowl ban won't scare off recruits, many of whom might be redshirting next year, anyway.
Crying game . . . .
Another question - will the NCAA allow players to transfer from OSU without sitting out a year based on the bowl ban?
The NCAA has an automatic rule that goes into effect with post-season bans. If a player's entire remaining eligibility is covered by a post-season ban, that player can transfer without sitting out a year. That means all seniors can transfer if they want.
It should be noted that, if precedent holds, the kids that transfer will be/would be the ones lower on the depth chart, who move to schools where they can be potential starters. That is certainly what happened at USC. The seniors who were starters...I guess they have too much invested in their school, and they still get to show what they can dio for pro-scouts. The bowl never seems to make that big a deal for them.
In effect, it gives the opportunity for players lower on the depth chart to look for greener pastures.
Which would open up more scholarships. Allow some whose only shot at playing in a game is on special teams to transfer and replace them with bluechip recruits. If that happens, in the first year anyway, there would be no effect of scholarship reduction at all.
Meyer: Rhymes with Liar
Is missing the little caesars pizza bowl in 2013 really going to cripple the buckeyes long term?
Further, a combination of buckeye myopia possessed by many ohio recruits and Meyer's ability to jedi mind trick these kids will keep their team relevant. Additionally, the buckeyes have put together really solid recruiting classes recently, mitigating the effects of losing an average of three scholies a year for the next three years.
Regardless, next years M/OSU game will basically represent their bowl game, and crushing them at the shoe will be epic...
i think you're missing the point. no one thought osu was going to get a death penalty. but they got something when everyone thought it would be nothing. if you're a michigan fan, take a moment to say a silent hooray, today is a good day.
I too didn't think the bowl ban was forthcoming, however, my post was addressing the practical effect the punishment will have on their program which I believe will not be as severe as some might perceive.
Personally, no hoorays here... our opposition's fan base thrives on making excuses anytime their program doesn't perform on the field. I'd prefer no excuses, and we beat the strongest buckeye teams possible.
Things sure have changed for the better as a Michigan fan in 2011. I never thought this would have been the case last January 1, 2011 at 5pm-ish.
Thanks Hoke for running an honest and clean program (and winning with Michigan character).
+ 1 billion. What an incredible performance by an incredible group of people. My expectations were low. If you had told me at the start of this season your prediction was that we'd be 10-2 and going to a BCS bowl I would have laughed in your face.
But.....Urban said nothing said nothing else would happen.
"How dare you impugn Urban's honor? The man is a SAINT"
-Signed: Eleven Warriors
All things considered, I don't think a one-year bowl ban and 4 extra scholarships counts as much to Brionte Dunn.