I'm not holding by breath
Buckeye-geddon: 1-year bowl ban, 9 schollies, extra probation, JT Show Cause
83 minutes without oxygen is generally a bad idea.
Can someone invite Hoke into this conversation?
Edit* HOHOHO...Merry Christmas! not so much Urban Meyer!!
And i think this will be the best recruiting class he'll ever get at Ohio, that says if nobody decommits(Dunn, Spence, Washinton, Shutt)
Expect leaking news soon. The NCAA is releasing info to the media at 2PM eastern, asking everyone to keep it quiet until a 3pm eastern press conference. I'm sure Twitter will be abuzz with the verdict by 2:01pm eastern, or in 11 minutes.
EDIT: although unless you're Guybrush Threepwood I wouldn't recommend holding your breath that long either /Old school computer game joke
I loved monkey island!
I hope they get hammered
....they GET a hammer, along with a drill set, courtesy of Home Depot.
What is going on with the ESPN lawsuit? If they discover more with them now officially on probation...schwing!
First I've heard of it.
NCAA Comes down hard: "No more pooping in coolers"
A one year ban on pooping in their pants in the bathroom. This one's going to be tough on the Buckeyes, as Ohio State is #1 in the bathroom. Consequently, Ohio State also has the #1 bathroom.
I am taking the under....whatever the bar is, I got the under...sadly
EDIT* Fuck Yeah...I am thrilled and I think the penalty fit the crime...Good job NCAA
have already paid the ultimate price. They've vacated their 2010 season and that is going to haunt their program for years to come.
Maybe we should stop calling them Akron State. It's disrespectful...
Here's hoping for...a one year subscription to the Jelly of the Month Club.
I woould think Ohio is more analogous to Cousin Ed.
Buckeye-pocalypse? From the greek apokálypsis; "lifting of the veil" or "revelation " or uncover
Armageddon is the scene of the final battle of the world, between good and evil. You have the evil in this announcement, but the good guys aren't around.
Actually not a physical battle, though. The pre translated name is Har-megiddo. Har meaning mountain (synonymous with holy place) and megiddo was a famous battle plain between the Egyptian and Hittite empires where they could ideally deploy their chariots. So the name Mount Megiddo is a deliberate oxymoron designed to be taken figuratively because its impossible to be taken literally as there is no mountain there, only a very low, shallow hill nearby where a town was built to guard the Via Maris.
I'll take Ancient Near-Eastern Etymologies for $2000, Alex.
Kyle Meinke @kmeinke
Al Borges, when asked whether he's interested in the Florida OC job: "Not interested. This is Michigan, for God sakes." #umich
from Ace "the truth" Williams:
- 6 schollies in three years; (1 more than Ohio self-imposed sanction);
- Automatic selection of BCS bowl for next three years (from 2013, no matter the record);
- No face mask penalties whatsoever in the next three years for Ohio; (grab-face-mask-as-you-like)
- JT life time ban of coaching (he already bought a house in Miami beach?)
Nothing will happen. If the Buckeyes get hammered, I'll take naked pictures of my wife and post them on the Internet.*
*Not really. I will, however, do a google search for other men who have.
UPDATE: Aaaand this qualifies. If you need me, I'll be at www.fistmywifewhileIgrillyouaribeye.com.
But i will reply to your comment to lock it in.
It doesn't go anywhere :(
If nothing happens, you know they are going to flood the boards here. Mods, be ready...
1 Year Bowl Ban is almost guaranteed, they are trying to get the confirmation...I'll keep you posted.
EDIT: Confirmed Bowl Ban and 4 more scholarships. Show cause for Tressel. 1 Additional Year of Probation.
NCAA: Ohio State banned from postseason play next season
The NCAA today stunned Ohio State University’s football program by banning it from postseason play after the 2012 season, multiple sources told The Dispatch. The penalty means Ohio State automatically is out of the running for any bowl, or a Big Ten or national championship next year, just as newly appointed head coach Urban Meyer is wooing recruits to the Buckeyes.
Athletic Director Gene Smith said previously that while Ohio State has been declared a repeat violator that failed to properly monitor its football program, a bowl ban would be out of line with penalties handed to universities with similar violations. In its ruling to be made public this afternoon, the NCAA Committee of Infractions will levy the bowl ban and two other penalties on top of the ones the university already imposed on itself, the sources said. The NCAA will:
* Strip four more football scholarships over the next three years on top of Ohio State’s prior forfeiture of five scholarships over that span.
* Add an additional year of probation to OSU’s self-imposed two-year probation for the football program, meaning any violations through the 2013 season could draw harsher-than-normal penalties.
The NCAA also will hand a show-cause penalty to former head coach Jim Tressel for failing to report that some team members improperly sold memorabilia and for allowing ineligible players to compete throughout the 2010 season.
The show-cause penalty against Tressel signifies he is a serious offender and means that any NCAA school that hires him could be subject to sanctions for appointing him as football coach absent a showing it should escape penalties.
HAHAHAHAHHAHA OHIO U SUCK!!!!!!!!
The word "stunned" at the beginning of this article.
"Tressel" linked to "serious offender"; you must admit he never said anything about being proud after 310 days...
My favorite part of this is if they hadn't been such shmucks and had seen the writing on the wall, they might have been able to take their medicine this year with their bowl ban in the dogshit bowl they're in.
Their own hubris hurt them as much as anything. They should have self-imposed the bowl ban this year, when it mattered far less.
in mysterious ways...
I bet arrogant Gene would like to revisit the decision not to self impose a one year bowl ban this year when they suck.
working on a letter explaining his decision to pursue other opportunities.
(I'm not saying this would be a response to this decision; I think it was coming regardless.)
So does a Show Cause prohibit any further Tressel contact with the program? I suppose now that Urb's in the man at the helm he wouldn't likely come back for additional pep-talks, but I presume you never can tell.
1 Year bowl ban per the Dispatch;
Double post = double sanctions?
1 year bowl ban, 6 more schollies over the 3 years (9 total) and 1 additional year of probation.
So is it just a one-year ban? What about schollies?
Edit: Didn't refresh soon enough
There is a Santa Claus after all and his name is Mark Emmert.
9 scholarships over 3 years is nothing really. But glad the NCAA had the courage to stick them with a 1 yr bowl ban. Not going to cry about it, moving on with my life.
not exactly the nuclear holocaust we all wanted, but it isnt the slap on the wrist either. this wont hurt that much but its probably the best we all could have hoped for.
it proves ol herbie is a flat out liar, so ill take it!
Funny how a stern beatdown of Ohio and its jackboot marching fans leaves me wanting...more.
to jackboot marchers
At least they got a bowl ban, thank god. I'd like to hear about scholarships though, that will hurt more.
By less than a minute! Nice work sir. You win... another beer? I've got nothing...
“He told me I didn’t have to worry about sanctions,” Dunn said. “Nothing worse is going to happen.”
I've been trying to figure out for almost year now.
It appears to be the logo for the John Butler Trio. Figured I'd help you end your year long search.
If you use the Chrome browser, you can right click on any image and search google with it. Helps me every day.
Thank you, mdoc! I don't use chrome but apparenty I should start.
you can still cut-and-paste the image url into Google image search.
was that a useful comment. I never heard of searching by image before now. I owe you a beer.
What does the 1 year bowl ban mean for Brionte Dunn!?!?!?
Did I win? What's the prize?
It means it'll be easier for Urban to talk him into redshirting?
Seriously, it depends on what he was told. If he was told "your career is safe, they aren't going to do anything that will damage the program going forward" I don't know why this would change his mind. If he was outright lied to things might be different.
I have nothing against Dunn but honestly we need to move on to the other great recruits that are interested in us. I can rest peacefully knowing that we had a great shot with him but that he was always leaning OSU (as his favorite school growing up) and that Urban Meyer had to lie to him to close the deal.
Muahhahahahahahha Mr. Meyer telling his recruits "Oh don't worry, won't be anything much on top of what we already have". LIAR.
We're taking Justin Borens snow plow away too!
I'm newly transplanted to the Columbus burbs and it is 47 degrees today. I have seen a grand total of 4 snowflakes so far. Not sure how anyone has a snow plow "business" down here. I had a busboy job when I was 12 that was more demanding.
Last winter was my first in Columbus, and I feel like we had 12 inches of snow all year, most of which was the same 6 inches that got crusted over with ice and refused to melt for a month.
We did have some of the most horrendous ice storms I've ever seen, but snow was, as they say, thin on the ground.
How I hate that school in Ohio. At least it's more than an ok, thanks for spanking yourself ruling.
edsbs twitter account sums it up perfectly:
not bad all and all for osu, but this is like catching chlymadia - its curable, but it still burns.
According to Ace's last update, OSU has 18 verbal commits. Any idea on how much room they have for next year's class? If they're near their limit, the schollie sanctions may mean recruiting is over for them very soon.
I'm pretty sure when the details come out, the scholarship reductions will begin next recruiting cycle. They could appeal as well, which seems like the arrogant thing for them to do.
If appealing the decision is an arrogant thing for them to do, then consider it done.
[email protected] Sure am glad I get to watch this 6-6 team with players that helped cause bowl ban play in the Gator this year. Nice work, Gene
That is the best part of this whole fiasco. Enjoy the gator bowl bucknuts!
Urban flat out lied to Dunn and all other recruits.
"It's not a lie if you believed it."
Not sure what the lose of the Schollies really does when urban over signs anyways! OSU was suppose to have a small class this year and he's proving that wrong!
Ohio = Bitch
But I believe Meyer/Florida were outspoken against the practice. And calling someone a bitch... come on now son, you can do better
then again, it is better than slap on wrist.
So we are not going to see Brionte playing in bowl game Jan. 2013? I feel so lost.
Yep, enjoy that bowl game, Mr. 150% Buckeye.
Mr. 75-80% Bowl Games.
from 2pm to 3pm was a tremendous fail.
The leak happened about ten minutes before the moratorium even started.
I hate the excuses I have heard from the Armpit State faithful this year. I can only imagine their excuses in the coming years if anything happens. No sanctions and we take care of them soley on a better coached team.
Go Blue! Screw the Suckeyes!
until Urban starts complaining about his health?
Nothing that a one-year medical leave can't cure.
Wait until he finds a osu masters student to have an affair with. Then his wife will force him to claim health issues again.
Will someone bring a "Urban Meyer doesn't care about his family" sign to the game next time it's in ann arbor?
whether he goes to Ohio or M (behind Fitz) so the one-yr bowl ban, which he somehow knew about, wouldn't affect him. Or maybe Brionte doesn't care about not going to a bowl in his freshman year. I could see Brionte thinking "it's all good" when told about these sanctions. He'll definitely be the stud/feature running back because they may not be able to recruit many more while he's there, while M is justifiably going to go after Ty Isaac.
Except Warren Ball who is in his class ND probably just as good.
Brionte, my young friend, never make a major decision based solely on what people say.
While you are spending the next few years lined up in a spread offense, ponder the fact that "Meyer" rhymes with "liar."
Yeah, whether or not a one year bowl ban will make a difference to Dunn if he were to redshirt, he has to be (or at least really should be) thinking that if Meyer lied about this, maybe he lied about how they will use him, too?
Go to Bucknuts and just read. It is fun and heartening. Oh the joy of soaking up the pain of a rival. AHHHHHH!
I prefer Hineygate: more delusional people, more shadenfreude.
Same Joe Schad that had Miles to Michigan? Whatever.
should have their contracts renewed in perpetuity. They have done a wonderful and fantastic job so far.
"OK, so it's worse than I thought it might be, but in the grand scheme, at least we didn't kill five...well...you know the rest, right?"
Should have self imposed a bowl ban this year, enh Buckeyes? Although the real icing on the cake is the JT show cause.
The team will definitely need to be on their toes next year, because The Game just because tOSU's bowl game.
and to all a good night!
Time to turn up the Christmas music!
Where are the Schadenfruede links? I want Schadenfruede and I want it now!
11 Warriors is completely offline right now.
I've had to resort to their SbN blog: http://www.alongtheolentangy.com/
Dunn thread coming? He needs to decommit from Ohio and come play for Hoke where he won't be punished for something he didn't do and for a coach who has never lied to him.
I don't think this changes anything for Dunn. Odds are he won't be the feature back for a year (if he ever is, considering Meyer's spread), so missing one bowl is little to do. And the loss of nine scholarships over three years isn't going to degrade OSU's capabilities too much. More likely, it will stop deserving walk-ons from getting scholarships. So really, if Dunn wanted to a Buckeye so badly, and it seems clear he did, I can't see this changing anything.
Agreed. He will stay with Meyer and become one of their best blocking backs of all time. If he works hard, he might even get to play special teams.
It's obvious he is a Buckeye at heart...he chose OSU and he needs to live with that decision. Skills mean squat when your heart and determination aren't in it. Bring on a talented 2013 class that loves Michigan.
Bucknuts is down as well
From junior class (not this Brionte Dunn class I believe)
- total 82 (2013, subtract 3 from 85), 82 (2014), 82 (2015). Total 9;
- or Urban does his math and figures out the optimal combination (for example, no reduction in 2013, 2014 but only 76 total in 2015)
Not a big deal considering all the walk-ons earning schollies. He will still get his lion's share of talents. Of course, it is a totally different monster if it is a reduction like USC suffered.
It means they are only allowed to have 82 (85 - 3) scholarship athletes on the roster for the next 3 years.
Glad they got at least what they did, but I'm surprised that they didn't get at least a two year bowl ban for knowingly using ineligible players in last year's bowl.
Love the pandemonium.
i'm guessing they can have 76 recruits instead of 85, but the bowl ban hurts them BADLY.
They can have a max of 82 for three years.
Looking for some clarification on the scholarships. How does it work? How many scholarship years are they losing here? Is it 9 scholarship years so that they can bring in guys and tell them they'll have to pay for a year of school, or is it 36 scholarship years? I'm going with the understanding that a scholarship has four scholarship years (years on scholarship).
Over the next three years normally they would have a total of 255 players on Scholarship, or 85 per year. This means that over the next three years they can have a total of 246 players.
So it's up to them how to do this, they count do 3 per year and only have a max of 82 guys on scholarship for '12, '13, and '14. Or they could do 0, 3, 6; or 0, 0, 9, something along those lines.
Scholarships aren't a 4-year thing, honest coaches will honor them, and if a coach doesn't that's where we get into the SEC's "yearly scholarship" excuse they use to justify oversigning.
So yeah, they could bring guys in, and have them pay for a year themselves or something along those lines
shredders and hard drive reformats for Christmas this season ... because if the truth ever comes out ????
Remember when USC got their ban, the younger guys were allowed to transfer...I'd like to know if that is possible at OSU.
It's not the younger guys, it's the older guys. The bowl ban effects the rising seniors, so I believe theyw ould be allowed to transfer without having a sit out a year.
What cracks me up is the amount of righteous indignation coming out of columbus. The commentors on the dispatch article seem to think that they got too severe of a penalty because "everyone's doing it". they still have no idea what they did was wrong. Not to mention the fact that they never bring up tressel's cover up when explaining away their problems. The level of delusion coming from columbus is worse than I could have ever imagined.
If this does not translate into a Michigan advantage on all fronts, I'm going to lose it.
we tend to keep to ourselves.
They are talking about legal action against the NCAA on Bucknuts. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
that USC should take, right?
They're all about fairness at Bucknuts, after all...
Anyone see that Scott McVey applied for medical harship? McVey held offers from Ohio State and Michigan among other schools. He played for Cleveland St. Ignatius and his injury his senior season allowed for the emergence of Jake Ryan. There was already speculation that his career might be over, but it's also well known that the medical hardship is an SEC recruiting tool. Especially since Meyer is down a few schollies now I just found it interesting. If it's purely for medical reasons I feel bad for the kid
Medical hardshipp scholarships happen more than you would like to think. Just schools like Alabama for some reason has more of those cases.
I think Hoke medical'd two players this year. It may be an SEC thing, but sending 1 kid here and there who has an injury history isn't the same as sending them to St. Saban's Memorial Hospital
If this turns out to be correct, then they got off fairly easily. Scholarship losses are what hurt, and 9 isn't such a huge number - just ask USC. The bowl ban won't scare off recruits, many of whom might be redshirting next year, anyway.
Crying game . . . .
Another question - will the NCAA allow players to transfer from OSU without sitting out a year based on the bowl ban?
The NCAA has an automatic rule that goes into effect with post-season bans. If a player's entire remaining eligibility is covered by a post-season ban, that player can transfer without sitting out a year. That means all seniors can transfer if they want.
It should be noted that, if precedent holds, the kids that transfer will be/would be the ones lower on the depth chart, who move to schools where they can be potential starters. That is certainly what happened at USC. The seniors who were starters...I guess they have too much invested in their school, and they still get to show what they can dio for pro-scouts. The bowl never seems to make that big a deal for them.
In effect, it gives the opportunity for players lower on the depth chart to look for greener pastures.
Which would open up more scholarships. Allow some whose only shot at playing in a game is on special teams to transfer and replace them with bluechip recruits. If that happens, in the first year anyway, there would be no effect of scholarship reduction at all.
Meyer: Rhymes with Liar
Is missing the little caesars pizza bowl in 2013 really going to cripple the buckeyes long term?
Further, a combination of buckeye myopia possessed by many ohio recruits and Meyer's ability to jedi mind trick these kids will keep their team relevant. Additionally, the buckeyes have put together really solid recruiting classes recently, mitigating the effects of losing an average of three scholies a year for the next three years.
Regardless, next years M/OSU game will basically represent their bowl game, and crushing them at the shoe will be epic...
i think you're missing the point. no one thought osu was going to get a death penalty. but they got something when everyone thought it would be nothing. if you're a michigan fan, take a moment to say a silent hooray, today is a good day.
I too didn't think the bowl ban was forthcoming, however, my post was addressing the practical effect the punishment will have on their program which I believe will not be as severe as some might perceive.
Personally, no hoorays here... our opposition's fan base thrives on making excuses anytime their program doesn't perform on the field. I'd prefer no excuses, and we beat the strongest buckeye teams possible.
Things sure have changed for the better as a Michigan fan in 2011. I never thought this would have been the case last January 1, 2011 at 5pm-ish.
Thanks Hoke for running an honest and clean program (and winning with Michigan character).
+ 1 billion. What an incredible performance by an incredible group of people. My expectations were low. If you had told me at the start of this season your prediction was that we'd be 10-2 and going to a BCS bowl I would have laughed in your face.
But.....Urban said nothing said nothing else would happen.
"How dare you impugn Urban's honor? The man is a SAINT"
-Signed: Eleven Warriors
All things considered, I don't think a one-year bowl ban and 4 extra scholarships counts as much to Brionte Dunn.
I actually thought the link was pretty creative....
And it wasn't the typo...that's no fun, it happens. It was the AMUSING typo. That's comedy.
That was a pretty nifty little trick. You're good at internets.
“The show-cause penalty against Tressel signifies he is a serious offender and means that any NCAA school that hires him could be subject to sanctions for appointing him as football coach absent a showing it should escape penalties.”
buckeye plannet meltdown, enjoy fellas:
Only 1 postseason ban? I was hoping for 2 or maybe 10.
Bowl ban = new Dunn speculation!
"The Dispatch also reported that Ohio State will lose four additional scholarships per year for the next three years. That's on top of the loss of five scholarships the school self-imposed."
Does that mean they lose a total of 17 over 3 years?
It looks like ESPN misquoted the Dispatch.
No it means 9 total. They added 4 to the 5 they self imposed.
does not mean 9 total. Whether or not that is correct remains to be seen.
Sorry I misread that. You are right it might be a total higher than I originally thought.
because that might not be correct if The Dispatch was misquoted by ESPN. Wouldn't be the first time. Guess we'll know for sure shortly.
I was hoping the ESPN article was right (agree that it's a misquote) but maybe it was a Freudian slip of the writer who may not be an OSU fan...
Better than I feared, not as hard on Ohio as deserved. I wonder if it will placate USC or is that school going to sue the NCAA?
If trust means anything to recruits, then Hoke has a wealth of ammunition to bring with him on the trail now.
As great as this seems, it is even sweeter to beat them at full strength.
But I'll take it...
Also, only 9 total schollies over 3 years? That's only 3 a year on average. Schollies make a slight difference, but the Bowl Ban is the only tangible punishment they can hand out now. Tressel was already gone.
some poor walk on or 5th year no longer gets a scholie
on top of the Big Ten rules? Can Ohio still play in the Big championship game if they are serving a bowl ban?
Nope, no postseason games which includes CCG
Is it 9 schollies lost per year or 9 altogether in 3 years?
NCAA is tacking on 4 over the self-imposed 5.
9 total, with more at the first year, I believe 3 self imposed, then 2, and 1. I'd guess itll go 4 the first year, 3 the second year, and 2 the third. Limiting scholarships lets the punished school trim off the bottom of its list, while the bowl ban inadvertantly trims recruits from the top of the list, and encourages early draft enrolling.
Do they have anyone we should anticipate may jump to the pros?
Read ESPN. Reporting scholarships are 4 more per year, on top of the self imposed
that is actually significant.
And probably completely wrong. It's an additional 4 scholarships TOTAL.
Yeah, I saw this as well. Would be more significant.
I am actually a little surprised. I thought it was going to be a slap on the wrist. Congrats to the NCAA for finally not backing down and actually handing out something other than a wagging finger.
and have a holiday chuckle
I hope those arrogant, holier-than-thou mofos in C'bus are (paraphrasing Jackie Chiles), stupefied, mystified, and horrified. Apparently St. Urban and his master G. Gee can't control EVERYTHING. Let the tears of unfathomable sadness flow in buckeye-land, let the recruit-snatching begin, and let the Michigan reign of domination over tsio last 1,000 years. Huzzah!!
Now Urban can coach AND spend more time with his family! It's a win-win for the Meyers.
This is still a total slap on the wrist. I doubt recruits will be swayed one way or another because their favorite school can't play in a bowl game when they are true freshmen. Having 82 scholarships instead of 85 is basically just a minor inconvenience.
As far as I know Meyer basically said "When the dust settles OSU will be fine" and that looks to be the case.
scholarships is trivial, why do people complain so much about oversigning? Because it's not trivial. A bowl ban may not change a recruit's mind, but it surely is more than a slap on the wrist. Somehow I doubt the motive for the NCAA is to impose penalties large enough to ensure Dunn jumps ship.
It's the quantity that makes a difference. Oversigning makes a big impact because the schools that do it as a policy sign an extra 25+ kids every 4 years. They're oversigning an entire extra class per graduation cycle or more than double what Ohio will now lose, and not for just 3 years, but every year. Ohio is only going to lose 3 a year, so will Meyer will likely just not renew 3 5th year players that he didn't recruit and call it a day. The bowl ban wont even affect recruits unless they plan on being true freshman starters because it's only 1 year.
It is three a year for three years. They can sign 22 recruits in every class. To give you some perspective, Michigan signed 22 or fewer recruits in 2002, 2003, 2004, 2006, 2007, 2009, and 2011. In 2005 we signed just 23.
OSU isn't competing directly against teams that oversign in the SEC (and who knows how long that practice will be permitted), so I don't see them being harmed in any significant manner.
If the worst of the punishment is "they might not be able to compete with an SEC team if they play for the national title", then it isn't much punishment at all.
I may be wrong, but can't they still sign 25 if they only get to 82 total? I don't think OSU has suffered much attrition, being short three scholarships is going to make each class smaller than it could be. Might not matter, but think where they would have been without Troy Smith.
I just know USC's punishment meant they could only sign 15 AND had to stay under 75 total, so I just assume that OSU's will be similarly structured. If all they have to do is stay under 82 then the punishment is basically non-existent as you could just peace out a few non-productive upperclassmen every year and still comply.
I'm not sure what you don't get. Meyer told Dunn (according to Dunn) that nothing worse was going to happen. That turned out to be a lie.
They can't play in a bowl game in the kid's freshman year and they got dinged another 1.3333333333 scholarships per year for three years over what they had already self-imposed. That is about as minor as the extra punishment could get.
To turn that into "OMG, he's lying to this kid's face!" is a severe stretch. It also isn't like the kid had signed an LOI and would now be fucked over. I'm pretty sure Dunn could give two shits about these new penalties and is still going to OSU.
Call it however you want, but the ruling today does not coincide with what Dunn publicly said Meyer told him. Meyer acted like he knew what was going to happen (and told recruits this) but later retracted and said he had no assurances. How do you know what Dunn is thinking? Maybe he really is pissed off about being lied to but is now too worried about how he would be treated in his home state if he opened his recruitment back up (LOI or not). I'm not saying this is definitely the case, but you don't know either.
my day just got that much better. America
Any body read the twitters and what recruits are sayinng, you all knnow who I am speaking of?
The best part is reading the first few pages of that Buckeye Planet thread, from when the allegations first hit. What a collectively dumb fanbase.
I've also enjoyed reading about " NCAA presidences" and OSU's "impotence". Lol.
This is a fair judgment, IMHO. It is approximately what I thought last spring.
...we didn't yet know about DiGeronimo or Cornerstone or Talbott, and there wasn't yet an FTM. If you thought this was a fair punishment for Tressel and Tats it would mean it's a bit light for the current charges.
And now rooting hard for a Gator Bowl loss so tOSU breaks both their winning season streak and their bowl streak.
Wow. This has to be one of the most highly read Board threads of all time. Over 10,000 views! Impressive. People (including me) love to bask in OSU shortcomings.
10,000 views and ZERO responses to the text messages I sent to a few Ohio friends who have taunted me for the past few years.
Having grown up in Ohio and now living in VA with tons of Ohio friends, I guess this does make me smile.
Let me say this....I would bet all my vcash, my house, cars, bank accounts, first born and a night with my wife that JT in know[sic] way lied or mislead the investigation or delayed the telling someone if he really thought the source was creditable....The integrity and character he has shown it would shock me if there was anything to this as far as JT goes...
I'll take that bet. Wait...what does his wife look like?
Not enough. I was hoping for 15 scholies over 3 years, 2 year bowl ban.
The NCAA would have taken a beating in the media if they accepted OSU's punishment. Still wish they would have given them a 2 year bowl ban and 15 scholarship reduction.
Ohio still got off a little easy, but at least the wrist slap was with a studded belt.
More than a wrist slap, less than a whuppin'?
I'm embarrassed, dismayed and angered by those comments suggesting that he may have done something to warrant his dismissal. Just flabbergasted by the implication, to be honest. Coach Tressel has provided ample evidence that his judgment is usually absolutely on target. Even if this is a case when his decision-making was not ideal, he's got enough "in the bank" so that Buckeye fans need to support him.
Please tell me this isn't something that our good friend Gordon Gee said on the record . . .
Who is the quote from?
who is the genius who made such profound and prophetic statements?
I love how surprised they are down here in Columbus
As some ancillary consolation, I've been unable to access 11w to see their take, which probably implies a mini-meltdown over there.
I can't believe the NCAA can get away with this. The Ohio State football players are doing nothing that every college footballer at every university is doing. Are you serious ?!! College players are receiving cash benefits at every university in the big 10 ! Someone needs to go after the NCAA and get them disbanded They must sleep with ESPN !!
THE PENALTIES LODGED BY OHIO STATE ON ITSELF WERE FOR THE TRANSCRETIONS DURING THE TRESSEL ERA. THE ADDED NCAA PENALTIES ARE FOR HIRING URBAN MEYER AND GETTING ALL THESE RECRUITS. REMEMBER THOSE THAT PENALIZE ARE OUR COMPETITION. ALSO THE TIMING IS DIABOLICAL. RIGHT BEFORE A RECRUITING DEAD PERIOD. NCAA - NO DUE PROCESS, NO EQUAL JUSTUCE - MAKE IT UP AS YOU GO ALONG!
I can't get over how anxious the Dispatch is to get this story out! It seems like they are really getting off on this. Aren't they supposed to at least be unbiased in their reporting of OSU athletics? The e-mail I saw announcing the bowl ban was time stamped 1:53PM. I thought the call was at 3PM. Very, very sad Dispatch. Go to ****.
It is time that the Governor and Attorney General step in. Ohio needs to sue the NCAA for antitrust violations. Arbitrary punishment is against the law. Worse, the people that committed the violations are gone and have not been hurt one bit. I am tired of the rule breakers getting away with their violations and the people of Ohio and the rest of the team paying the penalty. The NCAA is a terrible organization that is destroying college football. Take them to court. Now!
Sweet sweet tears.
I'm going to go get a spoon and then read your post again....
That looks pretty serious. I would google that word but I'm at work.
I actually liked the one accusing the Dispatch of being out to get Ohio...yeah, they had such bias against the Buckeyes they ran a "how many days since..." clock for years. Interesting definitions of journalistic integrity down there.
...I agree with the last poster and I intend to call the AG's office and start agitating. Sue the NCAA! And while you're at it, how about a libel action against SI? Let there be light! And discovery!
they should've been hit more. Better than I assumed though I guess. Fuck em. Let's go kick their ass at the shoe next year. The ultimate slap in the face!
Penalty seems to be within reason. But, really, losing 9 scholarships over three seasons isn't very significant.
Commence chewing, MGoPoppers. They got off about as light as was conceivable, but it's gonna be a nice couple of weeks anyway.
OMG I can't look away.
I am having a bad day at work and this is by far the most excellent thing for me to read even on a good day.
Ohio is pretending to be "shocked" by those lame sanctions so they won't get hit really hard
NCAA > Ohio.
Also, Tebow is in there somewhere too.
Some have said that a bowl ban won't affect the freshmen that much, but I say not so fast. Without a real goal next season (Big Ten Championship or a bowl), it's going to be hard for the seniors to rally, and the disappointment might poison the season for everyone. One can only hope.
Yes, but even without motivation, the division Ohio is in should be a cake walk. I mean, who are the powers going to be Penn State? Illinois? Purdue? Indiana? About the only team that could even rise to mediocre is Wisconsin, and they are losing a sgnificant portion of their scoring power.
while true a one year bowl ban won't affect the freshmen a ton, losing those additional bowl practices is a hit. Most people think those bowl practices are a good way to get a lot of work in with the younger players.
I hope they go 11-1 next year, too.
As long as they lose to the good guys!
re-tweeted a re-tweet of someone else's tweet (shit this is getting confusing) saying basically that witnesses feared for their safety so they didn't cooperate in investigation.
What all witnesses would this include? The "attorney" who emailed tressel didn't have to cooperate because there was a trail saying all we needed to know. What other witnesses could have helped bury them more but didn't because of "fearing for their own safety"?
above mentioned re-tweetedness...
on the one hand its NOT nearly enough..I think we all know that there has been alot of corruption and Dirt down in Columbus...FOR A LONG TIME..not just the tats, the cars, the money, boosters providing cash,and the cover up...so it should have been ALOT WORSE...However
the Bowl Ban has them stunned and leaves a Black Mark on the Olieo St..they are REPEAT VIOLATORS and have wrecked their reputation..The Pres , the AD, and the fans who have ALL supported and defended this corruption are in shock..GOOD..they didnt get a wrist slap but they still got off to easy...
I will continue to remind them of the shame and humiliation they have brought unto themselves, their school, state and the B10 conference...I say when they are down an out? KICK THEM
thats how much I detest the Oliars
I love reading about how Michigan is their bowl game now. I hope Hoke goes to that shithole and puts up 70+.
Considering I was convinced they would get off with nothing, maybe a couple of schollie reductions, at least there is the bowl ban. At least that.
But really this does little to nothing to them, except just making them more cautious when they cheat.
And they will continue to cheat.
They were handing out envelopes of cash within weeks of the Tatgate revelations. Does anyone think they can actually stay clean with that shambolic compliance department and with Yahoo!, SI and ESPN nosing around? No cars, no golf, no tats, no cash, no apartment deals, no unworked hours or unqualified-for jobs--the boosters are going to go cold turkey immediately, today, and keep it up for three years? We're talking about people who bribe public officials with game-worn gear.
They got more than I expected, but not what they deserved. But it's all good, Meyer maybe putting togehter a great recruiting class, but he did that his last year at Florida and they're playing in a bowl against another 6-6 team!!! Now if only I could remember who there playing. Take a good look at the future Ohio, it's mediocre.