Things are not so happy in Happy Valley ...
alternate headline: man does job
Things are not so happy in Happy Valley ...
Interesting read. One thing of note is that the author cites a lack of in-state talent this year as one of the reasons for PSU's struggles. During Big Ten expansion I know that Pitt was a target specifically because PSU wanted a solid geographical rival. However, I wonder from a recruiting perspective if this would actually be a smart move for PSU. If Pitt is already stealing away some talent, that has the potential to snowball into stealing away a lot of talent if the school were in a serious football conference (i.e. not the Big East) particularly in the transition years after Joe Pa retires... which has to happen eventually right?
PSU cannot be eager to have Pitt in the B10 from a recruiting standpoint. It is similar to MI having MSU in the B10. If MSU were in a different but lesser league (sort of slightly higher quality MAC), MSU would find it that much more difficult to recruit against MI because athletes would want to play in the better league against the likes of MI, OSU, OSU, WI and IA instead of lesser teams.
However, when JoePa brought up the issue of expansion about 24 months ago, the three teams he specifically mentioned as ones he would like to see added to the B10 were Syracuse, Rutgers and Pitt. PSU seems to have accepted that it is far more important that any team added to the conference be a good overall fit and bring sufficient incremental revenue than be the best choice from the standpoint of PSU's recruiting. Of course, if JoePa had his choice, I bet he would pick Rutgers over Pitt.
My only disagreement is that I think that PSU probably believes they can recruit very successfully against Pitt even with them in the B10. Clearly it will depend on who they hire to replace JoePa, but PSU is the big dog in that state just like we are the big dog here. I don't think they are afraid of Pitt, even though they know it will increase the competition for top tier in state recruits.
I read somewhere (yes you bastards I know how to read) that Florida was opposed to having FSU and Miami join the SEC for recruiting because they have "the only SEC team in Florida" angle. I think a case could be made that if Cincinnati(OSU) and Pitt(PSU) were in the Big Ten they would have the same parasite affect that MSU has to UM.
A good Pitt team is the worst thing that can happen to PSU. PSU has always had a 5 year boom/bust cycle. Now that Pitt is getting the better western PA kids to stay home this is not good for PSU. PSU football does not want Pitt in the B10.
The same would apply to Rutgers if they would ever be consistently decent. NJ is another fertile recruiting ground for PSU, but when Rutgers was decent they started attracting talent from eastern PA. I remember how impressed kids were that Schiano was flying in on a helicopter to watch HS games in the poconos.
LMAO thinking about Schiano landing the Rutgers helicopter in back of some PA high school
I for one don't believe that disease, infirmity, or even death can prevent JoePa from coaching. He may even continue to lead the Nittany Lions during and immediately after the Apocalypse.
is to drop dead on the 50 yard line in the middle of an argument with a referee about a bad call with the score 3-3.
Then they'll bury him right there where he dropped on the field.
Penn State's recruiting has been really up and down the past decade. They'll end up with a 40th ranked class on rivals and then they'll put together a top 15 class. This looks to be one of those really down years for them.
I thought PSU also recruited heavily in the Washington, DC area, which is huge in terms of the population base. What is wrong with Joe Pa? Obviously, in your 80's your health typically fails, but I thought the old guy was doing pretty well once his hip was replaced,
They also have a nice foothold in New Jersey along with UM and OSU, which is another good reason not to let Rutgers into the Big Ten.
Every other year, UofM, PSU and OSU would get to play in New Jersey. The exposure might have a positive impact on our recruiting in that state.
I'm not scared of Rutgers by any stretch, but I think more of their kids would go to Rutgers if they were in the Big Ten because of the prestige of the league. UM already does go head to head with ND for recruits so it wouldn't be a big deal recruit wise if they joined. That’s just my opinion though. I'm just looking at it as "what's good for UM" angle and am probably way off base here.
than Michigan or the Big 10 have to gain from Rutgers.
If there is an Eastern school we could benefit from, it would be Syracuse.