there would have to be some to wash away
Bruce Hooley laid it out on OSU on ESPN OTL
They both laid a pretty solid case on why OSU should get hammered.
Hooley added a great point on how this would affect all of college football.
Hooley said he believed the NCAA wants to send a message that coaches shouldn't decide to cheat because they weighed the risk and reward of cheating and the reward comes out on top. Therefore they need to send a message with a meaningful punishment.
last week at you all said it was old news and yadda yadda....it even got deleted...I knew there was another story coming up...im telling ya'll ohio is gonna get slammed here, no doubt about it
Link or it never happened.
No worries man, I'm just trying to cover up the fact that I'm too lazy to go find the article myself.
Another reason iPads are worthless.
Well I'm just glad that the NCAA reportedly aren't done with their complete investigation into the entire program. This news has restored a small amount of hope in the NCAA.
Thank goodness! I'm still not convinced on the NCAA's willingness to dish out a just punishment, but this gives me a little more hope.
Hooley got fired from his radio show for reporting on the situation, but they pissed off someone who still has an outlet. Rosenpuke abused his position, lied to 17-18 year-olds to get his story, and used a shitty MSM outlet to further his personal agenda.
THE Ohio State University created Hooley's fervor by having his radio station fire him. Rosenpuke created his own fervor, probably with his right hand.
It seems the NCAA is too capricious in how penalties are handed out. Just be fair.
I also am irked that Ohio doesn't seem to take their infractions very seriously. If I read another post about how "everybody does it" or how "unfair" things were for Pryor, or how people like Pryor and Mo Clarett and others DESERVE to be treated differently (i.e., favored,) or how players should be paid, I think I'm going to scream.
The story I can't seem to get away from fast enough is how it was all just Pryor and it's just so damn unfair that their beloved coach was taken down by one of the very players he was trying to protect. Even just writting that last little bit made me vomit in my mouth a little.
Nothing on Hooley and Pat Forde .
The only video I find is the one with Tom Farrey...
This was a great segment, Hooley and Forde were absolutely ripping into tsio, making some great points about how Tressel and the coaching staff knowingly went out and recruited, holding off on what amounted to a BS review of the allegations until the day after national signing day.
I was surprised that Forde didn't believe there would be any scholarship reductions because none of tsio's violations were related to recruiting.
Exactly. I guess Forde kind of hedged his statement, saying something to the effect of "Based on my understanding of NCAA regulations, there won't be an scholarship losses, but my understanding of those NCAA regulations can be shaky."
I hope he is wrong on that, scholarship losses and a bowl ban should be the minimum.
Anyone have a summary/link to what Forde and Hooley actually said? The Farrey piece was just recycling old ESPN clips about OSU. I'm more curious about the details around the NCAA still investigating OSU, and watching them get hammered (and not the good kind of hammered, like what I'll be doing later tonight).
The NCAA needs to get Andy Geiger in for an extensive interview if they haven't already. Listening "between the lines" it sounds like Geiger ran a relatively tight ship, asked questions, and was not welcome any more at TSIO. Of course, he was then replaced by the stooge Gene Smith. But from what Geiger has had to say, lack of institutional control and failure to monitor was exactly what was going on. They can't lay this all on Tressel.
It sounded like there was another part to that. Was that only one segment of a larger piece?
There was another section after that piece (the interview with Hooley and Forde).
Nowhere in this thread is there any link to Hooley and/or Forde saying anything about tSIO as the OP claims. The OTL video is not new and is done by Tom Farey. It wasn't posted today nor does it present any new info...
THE hearing for THE Ohio State University THIS Friday. THE articles in ALL sentences should always be written with THE CAPS Lock key engagED.
I'm sure they will put the video on their site eventually. I am encouraged that the NCAA is still investigating THE Ohio State University. We may yet get our wish for sanctions that fit the scandal.
"Honey, I know I cheated on you, but when you found out it caused my girlfriend to dump me, so we're basically even..."
Officer, I know I robbed banks but I gave the money back and no longer claim to have robbed any banks during the 2010 season so we're cool right?
I'd say it'd be a sufficient punishment IF:
- Tressel never lied about it
- Tressel didn't have a history of NCAA violations (secondary)
- There weren't similar occurrences by other players under Tressel throughout his career (Ray Isaacs, Troy Smith)
- It wasn't obvious that OSU overlooked alot going on with the football program
Not tough enough. People seem to think it's okay to let them off the hook just because Pryor and Tressel are gone.
They need a penalty equivalent to that of USC. Period. There's no other explanation. Postseason ban. Just because you pretend last season doesn't happen doesn't mean you can excuse cheating like this.
If the NCAA turns a blind eye, they're a total sham of a body.
If that's a hard hammer, then what do you call what USC got?
Tressel being let go was an inevitability, but it should not be a substitute for real NCAA punishment like scholarship reductions or postseason bans. OSU fricking played an entire season with ineligible players on the field! I don't care who's responsible, the football program deserves harsh punishment for that alone...even IF it's only Tressel's fault...well, he was the one employed in a position of power, his actions represent his university, and if he did something wrong not only is he punished but the university he represented should be punished. I mean, if only for the fact that there was clearly inadequate oversight on the coach and his program (backed up by the dumb "i hope he doesn't fire me!" line that Gee sputtered).
The OSU fanbase keeps playing victim to ESPN "bad journalism". Sick and tired of it. I know ESPN is a despicable journalistic institution, but OSU really should receive more scrutiny and punishment for their actions.
If you go over to 11W they act like its all over. I even saw a commment today predicting that they would win the NC. It reminds me of this scene from Back to School:
Dr Barbay ...now, not withstanding Mr. Melon's input. The next question for us is where to build our factory?
Thornton Melon: how 'bout fantasyland?
edited: The Laugavulin is not helping my spelling.
My biggest issue with the whole case is the plain flat out lying to the NCAA to let the Tat 5 play in the bowl game and it worked (b/c the NCAA saw the $$ going down the tube if they didnt) but my god that is straight up smacking the NCAA in the face and at this point they have still are like like oh no big.
The head coach lied repeatedly and knowingly played ineligible players to the tune of a Big10 title and BCS game. If that doesn't warrant something more than vacated wins and a resignation, er retirement, then the NCAA has been hoodwinked by their long-time friend Gene Smith.
It's also funny to read OSU fans take on the Stonum situation. They honestly feel Hoke took the easy way out on Stonum and in fact did him and the program a favor. They are criticizing Hoke for his lack of real discipline yet feel Tressel WAY overpaid for his little white lie.
Irony can be pretty ironic.
The decision the NCAA makes regarding this sends a message to the entire college football system. If they come down hard it sets the tone for the future. If they let Ohio State deal with it itself, then what does that say about the NCAA's willingness to deal with cheating?