We all took it pretty hard when the Boi from Troy hung 'em up.
/Just googled that to see if that blog still existed.
We all took it pretty hard when the Boi from Troy hung 'em up.
/Just googled that to see if that blog still existed.
However, I don't see why this means one has to be torn down in order to build the other up
because in Uhmerica there can be only one vialbe perspective else there be a tear in that whole space-time continuum thingamajig.
I am not expert on player positioning, executing plays and all that jazz...but if I'm on 'D' the thought of Denard in shotgun scares me a heck of a lot more then under center (regardless of offense type).
I was at the OSU game in 2009 and the thing i vividly remember (besides Tate imploding) was the fact that I was sooooo relieved when Pryor went under center. When he was in shotgun I was much more concerned. Just seemed like a different player. I could see similar things with Denard.
It's going to be a long offseason....
how about denard may just be an EXTREMELY coachable talented QB who will blow us away with his ability to pick up a well coached pro style offense and throw for 3500 yards and 35 tds this season. He may just end up being a fucking prodigy at throwing the football
what the hell are you people drinking today.
Whatever it is chitown, it's been on tap here for a while...
I understand Magnus' main point (in regards to footbaw), and while he is 100% entitled to it, there's one thing about his post I don't understand. He spent half a paragraph discussing Brian's blogging habits, comment formats, syntaxual conventions etc, which are completely beyond the scope of his original argument. For example, his comment "[Brian] thinks his blog is superior to others" is borderline rude. Which, okay, it's a blog, he's entitled to speak on whatever he wants, but it seemed like an unecessary shot at Brian. I mean no disrespect to Magnus, I'm a frequenter of touchthebanner, but I feel like those few sentences went beyond the realm of gentlemenly blogger disagreement.
I truly did not intend it that way.
My point is simply that Hoke thinks his offense is better than (PICK ONE: triple option, spread, run-n-shoot, single wing, zone read option, etc.). If he didn't think his offense was superior, then he would run something else. And that's why Hoke goes around touting the power run and poopooing zone blocking.
It's just like Brian (or any business owner or boss). Brian thinks his formatting, comments, content, etc. are better than other sports blogs/Michigan blogs/whatever. If he thought that another blog did it better, then he would do it THAT way instead of HIS way. So when he talks to people about blogging, he's going to speak positively about the things he does while criticizing the things that other bloggers do. For example, he might look at my blog and complain about the black background/white text. It's not any different than Hoke saying "Power good, zone bad."
As a wrestling coach there are some situations in which I teach thing A instead of thing B just as a matter of personal preference. Either will work, I like A better, I teach A. I bear no ill will toward B, and don't think less of coaches who implement B instead of A.
Sometimes I teach thing A instead of thing C because I think thing C is poor technique. It might be lazy, sloppy, overly old-fashioned, or just situationally ignorant. I think less of coaches who teach thing C.
Background/font discussions, syntax, and the like seem to me like an A/B discussion.
Manbaw v. That girly spreadish crap seems like an A/C discussion. Unless it is merely coachspeak, the supporters of these positions seem to bear some level of animosity at the very least toward the other system and possibly toward coaches who use that system.
This. It's one think for Hoke to say "My system will be better for this team than the spread". It's another to say "The spread is stupid, ineffective, basketball on grass played by people who are not tough". The first is fine. The second is willfully ignorant. Because Hoke has said disparaging things about the spread in the spirit of the latter statement, it makes people who thought the O looked pretty good last year justifiably suspicious even when he just says the former statement.
Since there are so many ways to effectively skin a cat, one would be wise to avoid saying things along the lines of "only criminally retarded idiots would run that offense"; coach-speak about "best fit for our personnel" and "gives us the best chance to win" would be vastly preferable.
but I just found your blog. Very nice. I agree with you. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. It is an "opinion". Every one has one. I happen to agree with you. Keep writing. It is refreshing to find someone who has "the other" side sometimes. Thanks
Magnus is the Touch the Banner guy?! Awesome!!!
Are you related to His Dudeness?
You actually trademarked "Cowhoke."
Your arrogance is reaching higher levels everyday. You have a serious hatred for Coach Hoke and I doubt it is based on anything tangible. You may need some professional help.
But if this post doesn't give credence to the fact that he still sounds bitter about RR and that he is still angry about Hoke, then I don't know what does. This is the impression that Brian gives off (though not to this guys extent, but to an extent nonetheless), and I really wish it would end.
Is if anyone was so actively rooting against Rich like this, and not just pointing out tangible problems, he would have been banned already...
I have to believe that what you wrote was a (very bad) satire. If not, then wow. Last I checked the program had already been ran into the ground by Hoke's predecessor. My guess is Hoke's record will look significantly better than 15-22 after three years, though, admittedly, his offense will most likely look much less flashy. Oh no!!
Here's what I don't get - if Brian and others hate the idea of this team focusing on power running, why were they so gung ho about hiring Harbaugh?
Definitely that jaw. Oh, and did you see him out there yelling at Tyrod Taylor? Just awesome.
one of two things can happen. hoke can fail and U of M will lose and one faction will get to say I told you so, or hoke will succeed and U of M will win and the other faction will get to say I told you so. Those are literally the only two outcomes. anything written before either of those happen is only filler for blogs
He will do well enough next year that supporters will feel validated by what they see on the field but not good enough that the RR crowd won't believe RR could do better
and I'm breaking a statement just made in my previous post about staying away from RR topics.
But...many statements have implied that Hoke should have a better record for whatever reasons and that he shouldn't receive credit for it when he does.
Here's to hoping our mutual respect for Michigan outweighs our differences.
With Winning better?
And if I had my own blog probably would have made the same remarks. I thought about writing something in the comments refuting Brian the other day, but I feel like I've been doing that a lot lately so I decided to let it go.
I'm glad Magnus said something though, and I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one that it irks.
This all goes back to the "the 3-3-5 sucks" meme. All these schemes that are run, work. On defense, the 4-3, 3-4, 3-3-5, 4-2-5, etc, work. On offense, Pro, spread-option, spread-pass, power play, etc, they all work too. The concepts may be different, maybe the yards won't be as high, but they are different philosophies. Not every offense needs to run at 1000 mph to be maximized in efficiency. The power run play works, and the plays run off of it work great too. Ask USC, ask Texas why they want to go back to it, ask OSU, etc. As far as the spread, ask Florida, Auburn, and Oregon if they work. All these systems work.
As far as Hoke teaching the Power play, I remember Brian specifically arguing with people who wanted RR to wait to install the read option. The coach needs to teach what he knows and be who he is. If he's fake, especially to the players, he's doomed. If he plans on running the power play, he needs to install it now.
I think the big thing with Brian is that he invested a lot of himself into learning the spread, he committed a lot of himself to trying to prove why Michigan would be better with the spread and not doomed when all the nay-sayers were saying the spread is just a gimmick. I think for Michigan to go back to a non-spread (or backwards in football philosophy as he hints), bugs him, because he invested so much of himself into the other thing. To be a bit bitter makes sense. But in my mind, he should drop it. I don't mind him giving his opinion, but he needs to open up his mind here. I'm still going to read this site, it is my favorite site, but weeding through his opinion about how "MANBALL" is doom gets a bit tiring. And while I'm still going to visit the site, it may not be as often, and I probably won't post as often, because as I said above, it's tough to always be nit-picking as someone and being devil's advocate, especially when that person is the person whose blog your reading.
....when you say things like:
"As far as Hoke teaching the Power play, I remember Brian specifically arguing with people who wanted RR to wait to install the read option. The coach needs to teach what he knows and be who he is. If he's fake, especially to the players, he's doomed. If he plans on running the power play, he needs to install it now."
Hoke is taking over an offense with 9 returning starters, including all skill position starters. RR was starting essentially from scratch. Returning O starters in '08: 1 OL, 1ish WR.
I agree that a coach needs to coach what he knows and know what he coaches, but there's a lot more transitional work to be done now as opposed to '08.
I still think you can run those plays. I still think RR could have run a bit out of the I-form, etc. But as far as what he's coaching, he needed to implement the read-option, he needed to run it in games, because his offense was based around it. If he mixed it up between what he knew and what his players were best at (which is what I hope Hoke does), I think the transistion is better.
This goes more so in the case you mentioned. You have 9 returning starters. You have to get them to execute the power, because that's what a lot of your offense is based around. But you should also mold your offense a bit to adjust to them because they are comfortable with something else. It's a delicate mix, but I think both need to be done.
"...there's a lot more transitional work to be done now as opposed to '08."
I just don't see it that way. It doesn't make any sense to me.
Why is it MORE of a transition to teach established, good players to run an offense...
...than it is to teach not-yet-established, mediocre players to run an offense?
In 2008, Rodriguez was teaching guys like Ortmann, Schilling, Threet, Minor, Moundros, Massey, Savoy, etc. how to go from a pro-style offense to the spread. Some of those guys (Savoy, Massey, etc.) just weren't very good football players, whether they ran spread or pro systems.
In 2011, Hoke is teaching guys like Lewan, Denard, Koger, Stonum, Molk, etc. how to go from a spread offense to a pro-style offense. Many of those guys are good football players and will be able to adjust. Good football players can fit in many systems.
If you really have a problem with that post from Magnus, you take Brian way too seriously
I think Brian's post and comments were justified and that he is at least entitled to his opinion. If it ruffled a few feathers, that's what good writers usually do. As for Magnus, he probably knows more football than all but maybe two or three people here. He is certainly entitled to his opinion.
The last time I checked, forums and blogs were still for exchange of ideas. No matter which side of the fence you inhabit, both opinions were well-conceived and well-written. That is pretty much all anyone has a right to ask of any writer.
It's well thought out enough, and well thought of for someone to go to that effort. Far preferable that someone disagrees with you and thinks up a counterpoint than they don't think your views are worth it, or don't read at all.