Brian Kelly speaks, South Bend Torch and Pitchfork profits.

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Many around here wondered how Brian Kelly would respond to the ugly loss to Navy.  Well, he did so by declaring the Tulsa game to be an epic clash of epicness:

“The biggest game that we have on our schedule is Tulsa,” Kelly said. “It’s a huge game. And the Navy game can’t affect the Tulsa game.” . . .

 “Tulsa game is probably the biggest game that I’ve coached in.”

Needless to say, the locals are not taking this well.  They are taking the Navy whooping less well, though, and after eight (!!!) games there are already calls for his head.

 

Maize and Blue…

October 25th, 2010 at 5:32 PM ^

BK was very successful at Grand Valley, did well at CMU (though Butch Jones did better), and had one incredible year at Cinci.  Except for GVSU, he hasn't stayed long enough to prove he can do it on a regular basis in big time college football. 

As far as scheme change, ND really isn't doing much different offensively this year than last when they threw the ball over the field.  BK was blessed with two potential first round draft picks at WR and TE, a solid RB, and a 5 star RS at QB.  The fact that BK hasn't figured out a way to get Michael Floyd more involved is definitely an issue and I expect Floyd leaves after this year.

wile_e8

October 25th, 2010 at 2:01 PM ^

Hey, everyone remember when the Michigan message boards were simultaneous calling Rodriguez a failure and fretting ND's certain turnaround after hiring an offensive guru out of the Big East?

steve sharik

October 25th, 2010 at 2:01 PM ^

“Tulsa game is probably the biggest game that I’ve coached in.”

...but what he probably means by that is that he cannot afford to lose it, and I couldn't agree more.

mgoblue52

October 25th, 2010 at 3:16 PM ^

The Fire BK crowd is as ridiculous as the Fire RR crowd after 2008.  Brian Kelly is a proven coach that is implementing a system for which his players are not familiar.  They lost their QB to the NFL and graduated a lot out supporting players and the team is transitioning to a spread offense... sound familiar?

PurpleStuff

October 25th, 2010 at 4:10 PM ^

Kelly has a 5-star QB in his third year on campus, 10 o-linemen who were 4-star recruits or better, Floyd (likely high NFL pick), Rudolph (possibly best TE in the country), and a running back with loads of production/experience even if he isn't the most talented guy in the world. 

It really isn't close to Threet in his first year on campus, 7 o-linemen on the entire roster (2 who were 4-star recruits or better), starting a converted meh-recruit DT on the o-line, and having Greg Matthews and true freshman Martavious Odoms as the only guys with over 200 yards receiving on the season (ND has 4 guys above that total already and should have 2-3 more by season's end).

I also don't see what is so unfamiliar (aside from the desired tempo) about what Kelly is trying to implement at ND.  When a coach says his team's rebuilding effort is on a "5 minute plan" I don't think it is unfair to criticize him when he gets blown out by Navy and is doing no better than his universally villified predecessor.

jmblue

October 25th, 2010 at 2:10 PM ^

Lou Holtz used to do this as well.  He'd talk up Navy back when they were horrible.  He may be laying it on a little thick, but he needs to get his team's focus back after that disaster against Navy.

michgoblue

October 25th, 2010 at 2:11 PM ^

This Brian Kell Hot Seat stuf is good, because it takes the focus off of RR, but bad because it will eventually lead to a slew of "coaches on the hot seat" stories.

bluesouth

October 25th, 2010 at 2:14 PM ^

to communicate that to fans as well as his players.  When it comes down to it the next game is the only game on the schedule.  The next game is the most important right now.  Here me out.  The last game and the other games played you can't dwell on them and there is nothing you can do about it.  The games in the future beyond the next game worrying about those makes the next winnable (Tulsa) game in this case a trap game.  Just another way a coach can say stay focused on these guys.  Another thought if you say the same thing over and over players can get desensitized fans hear coach speak.  just sayin.... now where's my tinfoil hat I put it around here somewhere.

CincyBlue

October 25th, 2010 at 2:20 PM ^

Shavodrick Beaver that is.  

 

Beaver's Career Statistics
Passing         G Comp Att Yds Int TD Pct Ypg Long

2009 (Fr)        8     1      3    6      0     0 41.7  0.75  6
 

Rushing         G Att Gain Loss Net TD Avg Long
2009 (Fr)         8 27 106   43     63    0   2.3   13

 

2010?  This will be his break out game this year for sure!  Fear the Beaver!
 

Erik_in_Dayton

October 25th, 2010 at 2:35 PM ^

I'm sure there will always be someone who wants to coach at Notre Dame, but the expectations there are really out of control.  I can't imagine Bob Stoops, for example, wanting to leave Oklahoma to go to ND.  

If I'm Stoops, here is how I see the schools:

Oklahoma:  a traditional powerhouse, has the chance to compete for a national championship every year, I am thought of as the guy who resurrected the traditional powerhouse. 

ND: a tradional powerhouse, you can possibley get to where you are competing for a national championship every year, you will be villanized during the almost-inevitably difficult transition period. 

Why would Stoops, or any similarly situated coach, make the switch? 

mgokev

October 25th, 2010 at 3:52 PM ^

No similarly situated coach would make the switch.  But a quality coach that brought a BCS conference team to prominence would bolt for a big time program and a chunk of change.  For example, Brian Kelly or perhaps Petersen from Boise State.  Even a coach like Dantonio at a middle tier Big Ten team, that had a good year, would probably be intrigued by a few million a year and a position at Notre Dame, Oklahoma, Texas, Alabama, etc.

kalamazoo

October 25th, 2010 at 3:05 PM ^

If Tulsa beats ND, ND has a very real chance of finishing no better than 5-7 and missing a bowl.  So even though Kelly is perpetually focused on the next game as being the biggest of the year, it is pretty big when you look at their remaining foes on paper. 

ND is 4-4 and play at home vs Tulsa, #8 Utah, Army, and then at USC.  On paper ND is more likely to lose to Utah and at USC.  One more loss and no bowl.  Between 4-3 Tulsa and 4-3 Army I personally think Tulsa is more likely to "surprise" and win with fancy playcalling (Fear the Beav) but Army could just as well.

biakabutuka ex…

October 25th, 2010 at 3:18 PM ^

Maybe we're only hearing from a vocal minority, but do Notre Dame fans have no perspective? Firing yet another coach would be a total disaster to the program. There isn't even any room for debate on this.

BiSB

October 25th, 2010 at 3:25 PM ^

Lou Holtz didn't need to use logic.  His teams were so well coached, they could just show up and win arguments. We have a hundred-year tradition of excellence in arguing, and all of a sudden these new people come in and try to install a "deductive reasoning" system.  We're NOTRE DAME, damnit... time to get back to fundamentals!!!

Tater

October 25th, 2010 at 6:22 PM ^

Neither Holtz nor ND have succeeded the way they used to since Under the Tarnished Dome trashed Holtz.  To this day, that book is the most effective hatchet job I have ever seen done on a coach and a program.  The most damning "evidence" was accusations by former players that he refused to acknowledge the presence of injured players, going so far as to ignore them on the street until they were back on the field. 

Suddenly, parents and coaches weren't as quick to steer kids to ND.  Also, as we have found out after the Ed Martin cluster, it can sometimes be very difficult to make your school a destination school for elite recruits once the damage has been done.

Jim Harbaugh is certainly not doing ND any favors, either.  Stanford has even tougher admission requirements and he is fielding a top ten to twenty team in the Pac Ten.  It makes the complaints of coaches that they can't get enough elite athletes into school to field a great team ring somewhat hollow.

Kelly will probably do a great job if he is allowed to stay long enough.

M-Wolverine

October 25th, 2010 at 3:32 PM ^

If it was Lou saying it.  I mean, he basically said that every week, no matter how bad the opponent was, when he was coach. (Funny what a job change does...you go from ND will never win a game to ND will win every game they play).

The Harbaughnger

October 25th, 2010 at 3:53 PM ^

It seems that “back to glory” is ND speak for “win every game or it’s a lost season and we will have your head.”

What would happen if Kelly was fired and X head coach were to come in and give it to them like it is:

"I am the 5th coach you've had in 14 (or so) years.  This program has been hashed and re-hashed to the point that there is almost no foundation left aside from our brand name- and that is quickly fading away as well.  I will bring this program back to where it needs to be, but it will take time.  I will guarantee one thing and one thing alone:  That we will eventually build this program back into what it has been, and should be.  Until then, every fan, alumnus, administrator, etc., needs to have patience.  It takes time to make that happen.  And when I say time, I mean it potentially will take years to get us back to what we once were."

Assuming X coach was proven at building and maintaining winning programs, how would ND react?

If they didn't accept this, because that's the reality of the situation, then the administration’s only hope is to keep hiring and firing coaches until they find a miracle worker who can somehow bring ND "back to glory" instantly.

But everyone knows this isn't possible.

There isn't a coach on the planet, never has been and never will be, who could right that ship overnight.  Not even Vince Lombardi.

So either they calm down, and wait for that slow stew of winning to simmer.

Or, they fire their coach every 3-5 years and continue to bludgeon whatever chances they had of getting back to what they used to be.  And at that point, there’ll be nothing left to resuscitate- assuming there would be a coach who wanted to try.

MBAgoblue

October 25th, 2010 at 4:53 PM ^

I listened to the game on my car radio Saturday, and was amazed (and delighted) to hear Bob Criqui absolutely savage ND. He called them heartless, defeated, broken. That was pretty good.

Can't imagine Frank and Brandy doing anything of the sort.

Omega

October 25th, 2010 at 5:11 PM ^

Notre Dame = Golden dome helmets

Tulsa = Golden Hurricane nickname

Perhaps Kelly's trying to create a golden new rivalry?  All I expect is that one team's fans will feel like they just had a golden shower, and regardless of who wins, a loud portion of ND fans will be upset.

ATLWolverine

October 25th, 2010 at 8:37 PM ^

I recall Weis recruiting very well against Michigan in his years at ND; hopefully this early hot-seat will allow M to prevail over ND in any head-to-head recuiting battles going forward. Is Kelly much of a recruiter? Looks like ND is hovering at #8 right now while Michigan is, puzzlingly, out of the top 25, at least on Rivals.

CountBluecula

October 26th, 2010 at 6:07 AM ^

The Wall Street Journal had a short article about former Big East coaches in their subsequent positions (not much success, they claim): 

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100014240527023049151045755724802514209…

Brian Kelley had the most written about him.  The article mentions Rich Rodriguez in passing, "Rich Rodriguez, formerly of West Virginia, is 13-18 through 2½ seasons at Michigan."

They seem to like Mark Dantonio: "...only Mark Dantonio (who previously was at Cincinnati) has had much success. Mr. Dantonio is 30-17 at Michigan State, including an 8-0 record and No. 5 Associated Press ranking this season."

Will the WSJ become as popular as the Free Press?  

jmblue

October 26th, 2010 at 2:43 PM ^

Will the WSJ become as popular as the Free Press?

Depends.  Are they planning on blindsiding a bunch of freshmen by asking them misleading questions and then quoting them out of context in an attempt to bring the program under NCAA scrutiny?