Brian Kelly, ND Come Down Hard on Arrested Players
... by telling them they are on a "short leash" for the remainder of the summer.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5407430
Sorry, but this sounds to me like something Touchdown Charlie would have said.
...tough love, BK's exhibiting. OTOH, the transgressions aren't exactly earth shattering.
If it is not a big deal, he should have said so. Or said nothing. But to say he told them they were on a short leash like that is supposed to mean something?
Of course, because it is BK (media darling right now) and ND, no one will call him out on it. Can you imagine if RR said this about a group of arrested players? FWIW, the summer has about 5 weeks left.
but it will get play all over the media. A new sheriff in town. Brian Kelly means business! Kelly is a salesman and a politician, he knows exactly what he is doing. One of these kids will take a false step and get tossed and tough guy Kelly's legend will grow.
That is exactly what this reminds me of, when politicians react to some crisis or respond to some issue and claim that something will be done but everyone (including the politicians themselves) know these are meaningless statements and nothing will be done as always.
if the kid can contribute to the team. In which case he will get a very stern talking to.
BK is already being credited with turning around CW's apparently subpar recruiting:
"Coach Kelly and the entire Notre Dame staff has been very aggressive in recruiting," said Mike Frank, the publisher of IrishSportsDaily.com. "They are getting the offers quickly out the door. They are organized and they grind it and work very hard. This staff is much more aggressive than the previous one."
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/football/news/story?id=5379049
Its the truth. Kelly has gotten more offers out the door to quality players in a much shorter time span than it would have taken the previous staff. There were over 100 official offers by April from Kelly, Charlie's staff never put out more than 100 offers in an entire recruiting year.
As for the agressiveness of the staff, ND hasn't had an Oline class like this for 6-7 years at least. Thats both quantity and quality and was basically completed by the end of april, thats a whole 5 months after kelly accepted the job. If you need a more, read a few of DeVaris Daniels's interviews, he was a recruit for both staffs and he says the same things your quote does.
Weis was a pretty good recruiter. Regardless of how many offers he threw around, he landed a lot of big names.
yeah he definitely was, but as good as the staff was at recruiting they still had short comings, which cost them more than a few players
Don't bother Irish with minor details like that. BK gets his letters out faster so he must be better.
Weis' recruiting track record actually is a little more complex than most people assume it to be. He did have some great success getting guys like Clausen, Floyd, Te'o, Ethan Johnson, Rudolph, and the other guys we know about. He also had some major misses and basically struck out at positions often.
His entire 2006 recruiting class was in large part a disappointment especially the defense. Between 2007-2009 he only recruited 3 corners and 7 DBs total. He missed on taking a QB in 2009 and we are a Dayne Crist injury away from this season being a disaster as a result. He underrecruited the defensive line and got burned a number of times with d-linemen switching their "commitments" (see Gerald McCoy, Justin Trattou, Omar Hunter, Chris Martin...). He missed out on DEs in the 2009 recruiting class forcing Kelly to take a guy with no other D-1 offers (Heggie) last year.
Overall he improved the quality of the program from a talent perspective (although that isn't saying much considering the mess Ty left him). However, his recruiting misses did hurt him in the end and are an obstacle for Kelly to overcome (especially DB recruiting).
What type of punishment would you expect for underage drinking? I am no fan of ND or Kelly to be sure, but this is just not a big issue.
It's a shame there isn't a South Bend Free Press to shit all over that school over some BS...
its called espn
Which employs Lou Holtz. Come on, you're smarter than that.
an umbrella in a hurricane
The sad thing about this post is that you appear actually to be serious. Vintage ND fan: so convinced that everyone should spend all their time worshipping them that a network that only spends 95% of it's ND-related time in worship is described as a "hurricane."
nope, don't need any worship, ND has enough band wagon fans as it is. Would like reporters/editors to be fair about what they write, no matter the circumstances. That always seems to be hard when it comes to ND whether its espn or some podunk town in Nevada.
most teams fans always think that the news is harder on them than others... We UM fans are no different.
not give it a blumpkin.
Wow...I'm sure the players guilty are shaking in the boots at the thought of being on a short leash.
Most of these players are not even going to play the first game anyway and it would have been a perfect chance to set the tone for BK's program by suspending them all for one game. I am glad he didn't. Looks like BK is not a tough disciplinarian and that is fine with me.
really? because about 12 mins ago you started a topic which the entire point seemed to be a running complaint about what did or didn't happen to the players.
Sorry if you misunderstood my original post. I wasn't complaining, I was mocking. I was mocking ND for, well, pretty standard ND stuff. In this case, for saying this is a serious matter and that it is being handled accordingly when, in fact, ND does not believe that and has not disciplined these guys at all. I have to say that I am looking forward to the BK era more with each passing day!
well I still disagree with your first points but the last one we agree on
I guess I don't understand why this is that big of an issue. Do you think Brian Kelly should have suspended them for a game? They were drinking alcohol. 99.9% of the adult population drank alcohol before they were 21.
The season can't get here soon enough.
No, he has handled it perfectly. If I were a ND supporter, I would feel so much better that BK came out and told the media that these athletes have been put on a short leash for the next month.
For starters, they weren't JUST drinking. They were drinking underage at a party that, so the police reports say, had gotten way out of control. I'm inclined to believe this if they felt it necessary to arrest all of them.
And regardless of whether or not 99.9% of people do it, its still illegal and its still not something that, as a coach, you want all your underclassmen doing. Why? Because they might do something stupid at a party and get themselves in either really deep trouble or seriously hurt, depending on how stupid they were.
I think its a farce that he didn't suspend them. Obviously there wasn't a realistic chance that they'd miss their date with us, but considering their first opponent is Purdue, I think a one-game would have been apporpriate. Then again, who knows. Even I have to admit I'm a bit scared of what Kelly is capable of, but he's also trying to do EXACTLY what we did in 2008. They might just need all the help they can get, even against a Purdue team that, last I recall, is replacing a lot of people this year.
Regardless of whether it was the right thing to do to arrest all the people at the party, it is classic doublespeak. ND is playing it both ways. BK said how disappointed he is with this sort of conduct and that it was not up to ND standards and suggests that they have taken action. But what action did they take? No, seriously, what? Please, someone tell me? Wtf is a short leash?
Are you just as concerned about what is happening to Stonum? Has RR even commented on that at all? ND is a private school you should feel privlieged Kelly said anything at all. He was at a fundraiser for his charity, what did you want a special on courtTV? a press conference denouncing these players as heathens?
you should feel privlieged Kelly said anything at all
Yikes man, that quote embodies everything Michigan fans (and the nation in general) hate about Notre Dame
I think Carr had Arrington sit out 5 plays when he was busted for this..then played him sparingly for the rest of 1 game. BK is doing the right think IMO. But as far as us being "privlieged" he said anything, thats just..dumb(sorry I dont have a better word for it) When positive things are reported are we "privlieged" to be able to read about them? If that's the way the school feels, maybe they should not be signing national tv deals with NBC.
yeah it was a poor choice of words
Stonum actually was suspended for his DUI. He missed the Illinois game last year. This latest incident is a matter of probation that we know very few of the details on, but either way that isn't as significant as the infraction that got him the probation in the first place. A suspension for the DUI was appropriate, just as stadium steps and a good old fashion chewing out is appropriate for this latest incident.
...you are setting a pretty high standard for punishment of more serious offenses. To my mind, this "short leash" is perfectly appropriate. We shouldn't get all worked into a froth just 'cause this is a rival.
Alcohol offenses previously removed the student from the school for an entire semester. I agree thats an inappropriate punishment.
I'll give you this Irish: Kelly says "short leash" but does not say he isn't disciplining them. (He must have done something.)
I am wondering if Montana and crew now know exactly how many steps are in the stadium at Notre Dame just (like Adrian Arrington or Brian Greise do for Michigan Stadium). Do they have their own little breakfast club?
I may be the only person out there, but I have always thought 21 is too old, and it causes young adults learning to live on their own to break laws rather than learn to responsibly follow them.
I am sure they have had their workouts with longo, the strength coach, modified for the remaining 2 weeks till 2-a-days start, and doubt it will be getting any easier from there.
Tsk, tsk ... disciplining players in the offseason through the use of extra workouts would be an NCAA violation.
They're not being disciplined for missing class, its an off the field, off campus violation of team rules. If thats a violation I am not aware of it.
You cannot exceed the mandatory practice time allowed per day in the off-season -- period. That includes disciplinary actions involving workouts. It has nothing to do with whether the discipline is for on or off the field issues. UofM was specifically held to have violated this stupid NCAA rule:
Allegation 2
“It is alleged that from January 2008 through at least September 2009, the institution’s football program violated NCAA legislation governing playing and practice season when it ... required football student-athletes to participate in summer conditioning activities for disciplinary purposes, and exceeded time limits for countable athletically related activities during and outside of the playing season.”
of course they can't add workout time, but having them run suicides instead of just laps or replacing those runs with stadium steps instead will get the point across, and its well within the NCAA rules.
When Bo and Carr had guys running stadium bleachers at 6am as discipline it was not as a substitute for their regular workouts.
Yes, but it is the offseason. 6am workouts are violations in the offseason. Substitutes for regular workouts are not.
Suicides might be less pleasant than laps, but it is not exactly what most people think of when they hear a player has been disciplined. It is like going to the gym and having to do legs instead of arms. I hate working legs, but it is not exactly a punishment.
I think you are wrong there. First, lets say the coaches set aside 30min- 1 hour of running (I just picked that number out of the air, but indulge me). Most of the team spends that time running laps while the "disciplined" are running steps......in the Big House.....and you don't think that is discipline? Have you ever run steps before? I can tell you it is not like working legs instead of arms, that is a minor inconvenience, steps are definitely discipline.
My second point is, for getting caught underage drinking, I think that and a short leash are absolutely appropriate. You can't let them get away with it, but it is hardly worth a suspension if it is a first offense.
I guess I don't understand why this is that big of an issue.
NDs imposition of the dreaded "short leash" punishment pretty much ensures that no one on the ND football team does either.
ND lost a five star recruit because of underage drinking and this is how BK handles the situation.
Irish- Stonum was punished for the offense when it happened. Is there really a need for RR to speak publicly about him not following through on the requirements of his probation? I would think the steps at the Big House may be calling his name (if that is not a practice time violation). FWIW, I don't recall RR making a public statement after Grady's probation violation either.
those are the exact points I was eluding to. I agree with you, I don't think its necessary at all