OMG Brian thinks they shouldn't have rushed the court!!!!!!111!!!
landing spot. will be interesting to see how he does.
OMG Brian thinks they shouldn't have rushed the court!!!!!!111!!!
Don't know why you got negged because I like your response so I +'d you back to zero...lol.
I thought it was hilarious.
You seem to have recovered nicely. Guess I should have waited before tauting my generosity ;).
Brian would also like you to get the hell off his lawn.
When we get to the point of making the NCAA five years out of six and consistently are at the top of the Big Ten and beat MSU as often as not, then we can consider ourselves "above" rushing the court after beating a #15 team. That so many people seem to assume that we've already taken a spot among the top teams in the country so therefore rushing the court is inappropriate is just bizarre to me. It's a level of cognitive dissonance that's pretty remarkable. This program has been in the absolute crapper for 10 years or more, but one single solitary appearance in the NCAA has evidently erased all of that decade-long suck for some folks.
I have no problem with people who themselves don't feel like rushing the court; it's purely an individual thing. What I don't get is that so many believe it was so contemptible to do it.
It isn't that we are above rushing the court after beating the #15 team in the country. It is that we should carry ourselves like a fanbase that is above rushing the court against the #15 team in the country. At least, that's what I think Brian was trying to say.
If you're a non-student, you may or may not be aware, but they did student tickets differently for the UConn and State games this year. Normally, it's general admission, encouraging kids to get to the gate early. But these two games reward kids who had perfect attendance through the first five games, giving them better odds at getting a draw in the bleacher section. If you got selected for the bleachers (not everyone with perfect attendance did, btw), you were to pick up your tickets before getting to Crisler. It's a somewhat strange system, although it makes sense if they didn't want kids camping out for hours before tip.
My point: I still believe this was an important game, and I rushed the court along with all of my peers. But maybe we were led to believe that the game was bigger than it was with the ticket structure and all.
Oh well. It was a great time.
But I'm guessing they set up the game that way before the season even began when they thought that U-Conn was the Final Four type substance team they were last year, and this would be a big game because we'd be a ranked good team, and they'd be a juggernaut that we'd be using to make seeding hay out of. Not a team struggling to make the NIT vs. a team losing 3 in a row.
Good to see someone took me up on my offer...
And is taking the thread with the level of seriousness it deserves. ;-)
...for "cognitive dissonance." Well-played.
as a student here, we're just happy to get a good win. I wasn't at the game (I had to work), but I think it's easy to see how hungry our students are for wins.
I'm sure in the future we will compete frequently for Big Ten Championships in both football and basketball, but in the meanwhile we'll take what we can get.
Rush the court. If the students are excited enough about the game, they should do it. Why try to limit the atmosphere. The students should err on the side of more fun instead of less fun.
There have been a thousand posts about getting people more involved at football games, while this refers to basketball, it is the same principle.
I love it when you talk all sexy like.
People bitch and moan about how no one cheers, no one stands, no one cares. Now they complain because a segment of the Maize Rage cared maybe a bit too much and OMG! rushed the court. Manny and Darius Morris admitted on the record that they liked it, and photos showed Brandon Graham and Devin Gardner on the court and looking as if THEY liked it. Current student athletes outrank Brian as opinion leaders in this matter for me.
You don't wanna rush the floor, don't, but good lord shut up about it. How many threads do we need on this?
would have been for the students to slowly file onto the court and shake hands with one another. But no high fives please. (Fist bumps pushing it, but permissible.)
After all the kerfuffle, I have been thinking that we should just make it a tradition to rush the court after every win, in a quick but measured way. I was thinking more along the lines of a spirited fan/player party, but I really like this hand-shaking idea. Everyone could bring monocles and pipes and equip them as the horn sounds. The students could pair off and perform an actual Victors Waltz. Pip-pip, cheerio.
it was a half-hearted rushing, at best.
Can you really be angry at students for rushing the court Sunday? While it was not the biggest win in the world and didn't improve our incredibly slim tournament chances all that much, this game was what all of us have been expecting this year, and rushing the court was taking out our frustration on the season and celebrating a big win. It was a split second reaction anyway, and I'm sure most students just followed because those in the first few rows stormed. People are saying "Save it for Sparty". Do you really think we are going to beat State? While I wasn't a huge fan of the court storming, I don't think it was an awful move.
I have crazy respect for Brian for running this site, but I don't think his opinion is gospel. It doesn't change my view any, which is that complaining about this falls dangerously close to the "Down in front!" complaining. We've complained forever that our fans aren't raucous enough, and now when they show a ton of emotion, that's a bad thing, too?
Who cares if they've "played the rush card" already? If we beat MSU, why not rush again? The most important thing is that our newfound large student section (2,500, compared to 480 last year) enjoys itself at the games and makes Crisler a happening place to go to.
Great point about student season tickets.
Plus, this game is was on national TV, this shows anyone who watched Michigan is more than just a football school. It shows that we have passion for all sports and he will be a rising power in the Big Ten for years to come.
I am glad we rushed the court, it shows the students are behind the program and that the program should be considered as a serious contender in the years to come, especially with Beilein behind the helms.
I like the energy of the college game and I think that is part of it. Let the kids enjoy and have fun without picking on them.
He didn't make it. There was some other commitment he had. And Brian didn't sound really confident that there would be A commitment coming.
after the Wisconsin game in '08, Brian said he heard someone, leaving the game, complaining about the missed 2 point conversion or something to that effect. He said something to the effect that, "These people must lead really depressing lives if they can find something to complain about after that game." Well, I say that everyone who is on this DON'T RUSH THE COURT EVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRR UNLESS WE BEAT KANSAS-KENTUCKY-TEXAS DURING THE SAME GAME kick, leads a terrible life. Do you really have to find something negative in everything? This is the perfect example of why our fan base gets such a negative rap. I'm sorry for all of the toes I'm sure I just stepped on, but I really had to say something.
why they rushed the court after beating #15 UConn but failed to do so after previously beating then #15 Ohio State?
The desperate need for a good OOC win, the fact that we seemed to have it in hand but still had the uneasy feeling it would slip away, and finally with the outcome resting on a few free-throws. It makes for an exciting ending. Also, wasn't OSU on a weekday?
I don't think it was about the ranking, per se. UConn is a marquee program and beating them makes national headlines. OSU is merely a good program (and in their current state, without Evan Turner, they're just average).
Well in football it'd be like the difference between beating a #15 Florida/USC team or beating a #15 Illinois or Penn State. Hope that answers your question
Because I wouldn't rush the field after either...
But then, in football, we're at least SUPPOSED to be good.
I suppose you are right. Poor analogy on my part
But then, in football, we're at least SUPPOSED to be good.
FWIW I think this might be part of the reason why there is so much "Get off my lawn!" sentiment going on over this. While most of the current students barely remember the last time Michigan made the tournament prior to last year, older fans remember when beating the #15 team wasn't such a rare thing (and seriously, I'm not even 30, I'm not talking that much older). So I think the grumblers are annoyed that lots of people would think the basketball team isn't supposed to be good too. We'd like to pretend that last decade was an aberration, rushing the court against the #15 team doesn't help.
(Seven years--might as well join the peace corps) Those were great times for the basketball team and no one would have rushed the court for a win like this. HOWEVER, we have not had that kind of success in what seems like forever. Truth be told, the basketball crowd was pretty complacent even when we were good.
I can't wait for the day that we are above rushing the court for a win like this. But I had my fun and until that day comes, I say rush if you feel like rushing.
The last decade IS the aberration.
We just have some perspective.
Say it isn't so Joe!
I am a student. I was sitting in the bleachers. I did not rush the court (there were only a few of us). But if it created a better atmosphere for the many recruits attending, then I wont complain a single word.
Look at it this way. Less than 600 students purchased student tickets last year when we beat Duke and rushed the court (justifiably). Close to 2500 students bought tickets this year, and I'm willing to guess that most of those on the court were not present for last season's Duke game. It looked cool on TV last year so when they got the chance to do the same, they took it.
Lets not take anything away from how amazing the atmosphere was at Crisler Sunday afternoon.
Also, if we beat MSU, I will most definitely be on the court.
I have incredible respect for what Brian does, however I have to disagree with his opinion. I had no problem with the students rushing the court.
Have you change the way you worded this post like 3 times? LMAO!
I added on to what I originally wrote then changed a word or two.
What can I say, I tend to be a perfectionist about some things.
The fans should rush the court again! It would be a big win for the program and the season.
I think that we should only rush the court when we win something that breaks a long stretch of futility. When we beat Duke last year, rushing the court was warranted. Likewise, considering our recent stretch of futility against MSU, rushing the court would be warranted. Beating UConn doesn't come close to the meaning that these aforementioned games did and thus we shouldn't have rushed the court.
I'm against rushing the court after UConn. I understand Don's sentiment that we are not good enough to be above rushing the court, but I think beating a #15, 10-6 team is not worth rushing the court anywhere, unless maybe if it's a rival. Regardless, it was a much needed win and I personally believe that Michigan could still be in the bubble unless UConn absolutely tanks. To have a shot at making the dance we probably need to beat MSU, Wisconsin, and Illinois.
Eh, whatever. Frankly, I was so excited they won, I rushed the neighborhood. Just a quick tour around the block
I hope we have a stacked decked of those cards for the rest of the season. yesterday was good practice for 1/26. I might rush up all the way to Ann Arbor from Toledo if they pull that one off.
That's cool, but you're never supposed to leave the couch...EVER! Even if it's technically your home.
This justification for rushing the court for the sake of recruits is so lame. If you are a recruit watching this game, which school would you want to go to: the one rushing the court after beating a soon to be unranked opponent or the school that caused the rushing?
We have a lot more casual fans in the Maize Rage and that's why we rushed the court (lack of perspective). Is it a big deal? No. Was it lame? Yes.
Cosign. Very well put.
I don't think many people have taken the fact that UConn wouldn't have been ranked come today even if they'd won yesterday when debating the to rush or not to rush question. UConn was 11-5 at the time. they are/were not that great. Better than us, maybe, but still not that good. I think that it really shows that we are not an elite program yet if we rush the court against a soon-to-be unraked team. this is like Clemson rushing the court after they beat an underdog (UNC) at home. This game was not important enough to rush the court, and heck we'll probably do it after we beat MSU. Is it my say to criticize the students for doing it? Not really. Goahead, do what you want, but this shows how far we've yet to go to be a good program.
First I'd like to state how much I love the student section. It is fantastic, looks great on TV, students really appear to be into the game, and I think it gives us a great edge when Blue is on Defense. Rich Rodriguez couldn't have asked for a better game (ala Will Campbell visiting for the Duke game last year) than yesterday to showcase to recruits and for those watching on TV I can only think rushing the floor made Michigan look like a great place to play. What player wouldn't want to have a mob of fans that excited.
However I personally am not a fan of excessive celebration, especially against a #15 UConn. I think it is important for the Wolverines if they are going to make a continued run to act like they have been there before. ND had gotten out of hand in recent years beating their chest after every sack/TFL/TD and I've always appreciated Michigan's quick celebrations as a team, and then quick to the huddle. The b-ball players seemed to keep the win in perspective yesterday so no harm in the celebration, but I've always felt that the best celebration is Barry Sanders with a quick toss of the ball to the ref, and an exit to the sidelines. It reaffirms for all, the expectation that we belong and we expect to win.
Verne Lundquist reminded me of Kayne West when he wrecked Taylor Swift's acceptance speech.
No doubt, what a Debbie Downer. Between that and calling Lavell Lucas-Perry "Lavell-Perry" half the game, I was less than enthused with his call. Of course, the man's nearly 70 and a legend, so I guess I'll cut him some slack.
Or Lucas Lavell Perry, that was what got me, after the fourth time.
As a Bball ticket holder for 24 years, I saw no problem in the students rushing the court. Having lived through the good and not-so-good times, the feeling of electricity and sense of urgency in the crowd yesterday made the win exciting and atypical. After the ebb and flow of the expectations and reality for this season's Bball team, it was great to see them finish the game strong even after giving up a nine point halftime lead. I also liked the show of emotion by the band, the students and the fans throughout the entire game since there were numerous recruits and Fball players at Crisler. Way to go student body - Go Blue!
Rushing the court wasn't just about beating the #15 team. It was about beating UConn. Sure, they are on a downward spiral right now, but they have been a solid progam for some time. It's not like it was BYU or some other flash in the pan team.
On top of that, it was a much needed win. I think it was most certainly appropriate for the students to rush the court.
With that said, if you are of the opinion that they shouldn't have, so be it. But don't throw a fit about it.
But a decent UCONN team, right? say UCONN was ranked 24th? or say first in others recieving votes? Then would you rush?
I guess I don't know how I feel one way or another about it, but I lean towards not rushing the court. Maybe if we clinched the Big Ten then we are able to do that.
just for everyone's info...
UConn is still, surprisingly, ranked, so, even if they're not that good, the whole, "They won't be ranked after this" argument can't be used anymore with an completely serious expression on one's face.
From The UConnn Blog:
See ya, Top 25
Eventually, common sense prevails. UConn's out of the Top 25 in the AP, but still clinging to the No. 21 spot in the ESPN/USA Today one. Take that, Northern Iowa!
So they think that UConn should not be ranked and they are not in the AP Poll. The argument stands even if they are ranked #21 in the coaches poll.
Thanks. I guess I should have looked into it a bit more. I understand it now. Good job!
If anyone honestly changes their opinion on rushing the court because Brian said he was against it, they have serious psychological issues and have much bigger things to worry about than whether or not rushing the court was an appropriate response.
the students enjoyed this. Why even question? I didn't listen to Brian, but if he is for/ against this, who cares?
I will add that it is really fun for an alum, like myself to see the students having fun.
But you know there's a legion who use the "Brian said it so it's true" when it supports their argument. So I don't expect a lot of view changes...but maybe a little less blind justification of viewpoints.
All this critical thinking about "To rush or not to rush" is ludicrous. This was not a premeditated act perpetrated in order to convey a certain message regarding the state of the Michigan basketball program. It was an emotional response from a bunch of college kids who were caught up in the moment. Who cares what everybody else thinks.
I am also a student and before the game I thought that I would not rush the court because, as has been argued before, UConn is #15 and on a losing streak blah blah blah. But once the final buzzer sounded and the first couple rows emptied out I thought "why not" and followed. Plus, while the records might not show it, look at the two teams. UConn is filled with towering players with names no one can pronounce, and 5 star guards and one freak athlete in Stanley Robinson. I wasn't at the Duke game last year (because I'm a freshman, not a fair weather fan), and who knows the next time we beat a national powerhouse? I would rather rush the court after win that while not against a top 5 team, could be a season changing win after a year of frustration than never have the chance to rush the court during my four years. I mean Clemson, which was ranked #19 at the time, had its fans rush the court after they beat #13 UNC, which doesn't make the sense of the surface, but Clemson NEVER beats UNC, and it was a showing of all the frustration over the years.
And if we happen to beat Ski Mask U next Tuesday, I will be on the court again.
Just kidding. Glad you got to experience a big win, and have some fun in the process!
So if we're winless going into the U-Mass game next year, and we beat them, are you rushing the field when we win, because you may not get another chance?
Reasoning like this seems to show a lot LESS confidence in Beilein than support.
Rushing the court is much like the Gatorade bath. It has lost the significance it once had. A few broadcasters or bloggers railing against rushing the court and pouring Gatorade on coaches isn't going to change anything.
Just like every child being "special" these days, every college student wants to feel like a part of the game and that they're doing something great. Regardless of whether we like it or not, college students will continue to rush the court whenever a semi-big upset victory occurs. It's a speeding train, so there's no use trying to stop it.
But it's dumb.
we had to walk a mile up hill to rush the court. Through the snow.
Darn kids today! Get offa my lawn!
with Brian. The fact that rushing the court is even being discussed probably means it wasn't warranted.
I'll go back again to the Iowa football game. Their fans shouldn't have rushed the field...we were 3-9 the year before and on our way to a 1-7 Big Ten record. Rushing the field was not warranted.
That is true, but it is still Michigan. What is Iowa's all time record against UM, 11-43 or something like that? UM is way down but to beat a that has dominated the series for over a half century is a big win.
I suppose I will recycle my post since we are keeping this topic around.
"This is the best I have felt in months. I shall not judge."
But dad said.....stop making all that Goddamn noise!
let's make this simple: going forward the court is rushed if Verne's on duty regardless the foe just to spite the curmudgeon. "Oh my goodness! Oh WOW!!! In your life have you ever seen anything like that?!"
Why not? Verne would be confused.
If Denard Robinson and Brandon Graham rush the court and you don't follow... well, there will be consequences.
or does Verne get redder and puffier every time I see him? By March Madness, his transformation to a giant tomato should be complete.
I say old mango