I just heard this on WTKA. This just gets funnier by the day. So, Tressel says that he kept the information quiet because of the confidentiality of the investigation, really? Apparently, that's not so. He felt it was necessary to tell Pryor's Corvette supplier what was going on.
Breaking News: water is wet, Tressel is a liar.
Just heard them talking about this on WTKA too. Hopefully their sources are as strong as they say they are, because they admittedly have zero hard evidence at this point. I would have thought they'd wait for the FOIA request to come back at least before declaring all of this fact.
I thought the same thing, but the article cited multiple sources. It's amazing anymore what can be printed citing "multiple sources". However, it's the Columbus freakin' Dispatch. That was probably the most surprising part of this. I couldn't believe that the hometown paper would write something like this, proving their coach lied again.
That's kind of how journalism work. Reporters find sources and write a story based on the infromation given to them. Not every story can be based on a smoking gun. Maybe they'll eventually have hard evidence that the email was forwarded, but who knows.
Consider that the original Yahoo article cited a single source. "Multiple sources" sound pretty solid to me.
It is pretty hillarious how Bucknuts are still defending Tressel the Weasel.
Now that pretty much all facade has fallen, they are arguing that Tressel MUST be an HONEST guy because he is so bad at lying!!! :) :) :) Are you KIDDING ME???
The guy did the worst thing possible at pretty much every turn. Not just once, not just twice, but every friggin turn including the press conference where he LIED to everyone saying how he kept it quiet because of the "federal investigation".
Whenever the guy's lips (or his signature) is moving, he is lying. And you are still defending him?
Do you have no honor?
It is really pathetic...
Depending on what the emails say, this might be the tipping point for me. If they say something along the lines of "I heard TP was selling stuff, but he denied it when I asked him. Have you heard anything about this, or can you try to find out whether he's lying?" or "Hey, TP follows your advice, and I can't go into details, but tell him to stay away from Rife," I don't really care. If it's anything else, Tressel needs to be gone.
you're such a homer. Take off the Tressel glasses and get off the sack. The guy needs to be fired already, he doesn't need anything else. His excuses were all flimsy but the concern over the integrity of the investigation was the only one that even had any chance of merit. Now it's been laid bare as total BS and added to his list of transgressions. Other coaches have been fired for much much less, he needs to go.
"I would have thought they'd wait for the FOIA request to come back at least before declaring all of this fact."
That's exactly why I think their sources must be solid.
Bravo to the Dispatch. Maybe they are sick of constantly helping aOSU to cover up its problems.
Yes, this is the fall of Rome.
This proves that Tressel KNEW that his players were violating the rules and that he KNEW what to do with that information.
Yet he still didn't tell compliance. Come on man. JT, you f'd up, and its' gonna bite you baby.
Let the Angry Jim Tressel, Ohio State Hating Gods make their comeback known and let them rain down upon that program...
Is it really breaking news if we all knew he did lie, just not all the full details of his lie?
Ummm...that statement was preceded by "water is wet". I thought the two statements were so obvious that the sarcasm detectors would easily pick it up.
Obviously the sarcasm detectors are broken since they couldn't pick mine up, either.
Sorry for all the hate, yo.
No worries; and I'm not the one that negged you. Plus, you get the bonus points for your sig and for ending a sentence with "yo", yo.
We should start a new thread; which NFL team will Tressel be an assistant on?
Or, as alternative, will he just retire for good when he's forced out by the NCAA?
I am actually starting to feel sorry for Pryor. It looks more and more as if he could have done with some people around him who were actually thinking of his long-term prospects, rather than trying to ingratiate themselves with cars and shit. On the other hand I guess you could argue that he made his choices.
Yet another reason why there needs to be some kind of professional path for these kids. You can't really expect them to keep their hands out of the cookie jar. Frontal lobe development and all that.
Tressel on the other hand is a lying little stoat.
I can't go as far as to say I feel sorry for Pryor but reading the restaurant owner say it isn't fair that his Heisman hopes are gone and it isn't fair b/c the stuff was his, makes it obvious the support structure around him is lacking. I understand it is a blue collar town and the modest roots but Pryor does not do himself any favors.
Imagine this though. Imagine that every time they mention Pryor, replace it with Denard Robinson and realize how ridiculous these statements sound.
Sure, Pryor probably doesn't have the (seemingly great) support structure Denard has...but Denard's family is more than a few hours away. It ultimately comes down to character.
I'm of the opinion that I dont care that he sold his stuff since they were of a more personal nature; his gold pants, his champ. ring etc and not items deemed to be school property such as AJ Greens jersey.
Howeva, that doesnt make it ok to trade autographs for free stuff and considering Dez Bryant got screwed for having lunch @ Primetime's house I believe their punishment fit the crime with the exception that they should have been suspended for their tainted BCS Bowl win.
Yeah, but he got the gold pants, ring, etc. because he was an OSU football player. By selling them he was capitalizing on his status as a football player.
If this kind of thing was allowed, why not establish a team tradition where they award each player a diamond encrusted ring valued at $10,000 for each B1G win? Those rings would also be their own property, and each OSU player could then raise about $70,000 by selling those items. Do you think that might give them a bit of a bump in recruiting? The rule may seem dumb or nit-picky, but the potential for abuse is quite significant.
the disconnect happens with all the OSU/Pryor fans. They focus on what Pryor did instead of the more egregious transgressions of Tressel.
+1 for the use of the word stoat. Way classier than weasel.
When looking up wtf "stoat" means on dictionary.com, I came across their word of the day that I never heard of. Seems like this should be filed away for use in an Mgoblog version of a flame war.
\ BUMP-shuhs \ , adjective;
It is surprising to me, given my utter loathing of tOSU, that I am ambivalent about the sweater vest going down (as I think is increasingly likely). On the one hand, anything bad for them is intrinsically good for the human race. On the other hand, I had really hoped that Brady Hoke would put an end to the tOSU dominance on the field, rather than it happening in the NCAA offices. Moreover, in agreement with you, I think the NCAA's idea of amateur athletics belongs in the social context of a 1930's world that simply no longer exists. Yes, the players and coaches should abide the rules and it is a matter of character. Yet the system is completely out of touch with the reality of college athletes, especially football and basketball players.
I couldn't agree more. I stated in a post when this whole mess came out that I was really looking forward to a legitimate Michigan beatdown of Ohio State, not the NCAA. Satisfying, yet not.
tsio was beating the living snot out of UM because of the coaching decision Martin made, do you think any tsio fan lost sleep over disadvantages UM experienced due to loss of recruits, scheme changes or any other issue? Hell no, they revelled in whopping our ass and I for one won't feel any remorse returning the favor. The beauty of it happening like this rather than an eventual Hoke domination is that it's going to happen sooner than later.
You make an excellent point, that everyone around Pryor let him down. Parents, advisors, teammates. (Ditto Chris Webber, right?) And Pryor let everyone down as well.
But Tressel didn't get any tattoos. Tressel didn't start this. He's not hangnig around with drug dealers. I'm not excusing Tressel; we'll see what sort of reports an investigation can produce. I'll enjoy that much, if only for a voyeuristic look inside the Buckeye football program. But this is not at all the way I'd like to see Jim Tressel go down.
My very mixed emotions are all about how close we came to signing Pryor to a Michigan letter of intent. Judging by his prom pictures, I'm not so sure that Pryor was dragged into inequity in Columbus. Would Pryor have avoided all this trouble in Ann Arbor? Perhaps. I sure as hell hope so. I think we have at least some good reason to think so.
But all this began, not with a scheme by coaches to break any rules. It began with reckless conduct by a few players. Followed by what appears to be a dumb, low-level, personal cover-up by Tressel.
It's just a matter of time until all the emails are out there, including probably more that we haven't heard about. The Dispatch has a FOIA request pending for those emails (they published the story because they had multiple sources, even though they're still waiting for the actual emails). This is on top of a more comprehensive FOIA request from Yahoo Sports. I'm willing to bet there are even more FOIA requests from other news organizations for Tressel's emails.
At this point, it is only a matter of time until the really nasty dirt comes out. My guess is that OSU is probably thinking about when and how to fire Tressel, and actively looking for his replacement. You don't want to fire a coach in a public spectacle without having his replacement lined up, right?
On the other hand, an accurate summary of the article is this:
First paragarph: "X is true."
Later paragraph: "We have no hard evidence that X is true."
I read the article a little differently:
First paragraph: "X is true."
Later: "Multiple sources have confirmed that X is true".
Later still: "OSU has declined comment that X is true."
If it weren't true, don't you think that OSU would have flatly (and quickly) denied it?
They may have the emails soon but they don't have them now.
The Dispatch must be pretty sure that Tressel forwarded the emails. I say that because of the outstanding FOIA request. Why risk reporting something false if it's only a matter of time before you get the emails? I have some familiarity with journalists who have made these types of decisions before, and that's my read.
My only point is that they don't have the emails. Journalists have been lied to before.
Tressel forwarded the information to Ted Sarniak, a mentor to Terrelle Pryor, after the coach received emails warning that Pryor and at least one other player had sold memorabilia to a local tattoo-parlor owner who was under federal investigation for drug trafficking, multiple sources have confirmed to The Dispatch.
Also known as Mr Corvette.
TP's sugar daddy.
"Mr. Sarniak and Terrelle Pryor have been friends for a number of years, and their friendship dates back prior to Terrelle's enrollment at Ohio State," Archie said in an email to The Dispatch. "As the friendship developed, Mr. Sarniak is someone who Terrelle has reached out to for advice, CORVETTES, CLOTHES, ELECTRONICS, BEST TABLE AT THE RESTAURANT, CASH, and guidance throughout his high-school and collegiate career."
I think your version is a little more accurate. Also, there's this, FWIW:
"Sarniak, 67, is a prominent businessman in Pryor's hometown of Jeannette, Pa. He befriended the quarterback years ago and accompanied him on recruiting trips to Ohio State and other universities." """""a;s"
Minus the huge payments - at least that we know about.
I keep hearing this argument, and I understand it. But, honestly, I really don't think it matters. OSU going down in any way, shape, or form pleases me. I hate them with every ounce of my being. But, unlike many, I don't enjoy my hatred of them. I'm not a fan of the fact that something so trivial in life like sports generates such venom in my heart. There is no "mutual respect" with me. I would be happy if I didn't have to hate OSU. I would be happy if OSU was an afterthought in sports.
If this has anything to do with age. (I obviously have no idea how old you are.) My formative football years were in the mid-to-late 80s, I went to HS in the 90s, and graduated from college in 2000. Because of this, OSU's success strikes me as an anomally. In my childhood, ND was the big game on the schedule. They were the real threat. Sure Michigan lost some games to teams not from South Bend, but that was usually a one-off situation featuring whichever other Big Ten team was having a good season, not a year-after-year struggle. Based on the view of Michigan-Ohio State I developed as a child, this isn't supposed to be a real rivalry so much as a game we win every year, and about which the state of Ohio whines. I guess that leads me to agree with this:
There is no "mutual respect" with me. I would be happy if I didn't have to hate OSU. I would be happy if OSU was an afterthought in sports.
I just want them put back in their place: a Big Ten also-ran of no national significance.
Well to be fair, your opinion also largely rests on you becoming a fan in an era without Woody. Someone who was from the era before (and it's not me, it would be my parents, if anything) would have a very different take.
So do I, by the way; having never watched a victory over OSU live, the Buckeyes are the scary monster in the closet.
I see the rationale behind this sentiment, but if Tressel's program and, therefore, domination over Michigan the past 10 years was built on lies and loose adherence to rules, then Tressel as genius has been an illusion as well.
Without Maurice Clarett, OSU doesn't beat Michigan in Columbus in 2002. Without Troy Smith / Terelle Pryor, OSU doesn't beat the Henne / Hart teams 4 straight seasons. Without those signature moments, Tressel is just Earle Bruce and not the second-coming. If Michigan as a program was willing to turn a blind eye to player shenanigans or make as many compromises as it appears Tressel has, would OSU have been able to go on a 7 game winning streak as they have?
Winning matters, but how you win matters as well. If it didn't, then we wouldn't have pulled down the banners after the whole Ed Martin stuff came to light with the basketball program.
I don't see anything new and damning in this story.
Hannibal: "I don't see anything new and damning in this story."
Hannibal, think about it. Tressel's excuse for not telling his bosses, was the safety of his players and that he did not want to blow a federal investigation.
Now we learn he did tell someone, just not his bosses. How is telling Pryor's booster, not going to jeapordize the investigation. How is telling your bosses, going to comprise it?
The story basically blows Tressel's defense out of the water. His only defense so far is that he wanted to protect the integrity of a federal investigation and that he thought the information was confidential. You are not protecting an investigation, nor are you keeping information confidential if you are forwarding the information to somewone with no connection to OSU or law enforcement.
The story doesn't really add anything to the violations that Tressel committed, it's just hard now to see OSU making any legitimate argument that mitigates Tressel's actions.
There was a lie to everyone regarding the eligibility. Then there was a lie to cover up the lie: this was confidential and I had to hold it back. Here is a nice little video of that sterling defense:
This new little tidbit exposes the defense as a second lie. The hole just keeps getting deeper. This guy is pure scum. Honorless. It honestly is impossible not to fire him and the AD and anyone else: they were all obvioulsy complicit in the 'confidentiality' defense when they knew that wasn't true either. I would not be surprised to find out that he did forward the email to the AD. I am waiting for that bomb.
I didn't really see that as something new because nobody outside of Columbus was buying that explanation to begin with. Although I guess it at least eliminates what tiny shred of doubt there was.
It's new, because while nobody may have bought Tressel's reasoning, there wasn't anything out there that directly disproves the fact that Tressel actually did think that he was doing the right thing by protecting an investigation and keeping the information confidential, as unlikely as that may have been. Now, there is no doubt that the story was just a convenient excuse to make his reasons for keeping the information to himself seem less self-serving.
whether OSU used the confidentiality excuse with the NCAA. If they did . . . wow.
I don't think it's come to that point yet. It is my understanding that with self-reported violations, the school reports, the NCAA then investigates and provides a notice of allegations (or something along those lines), the school responds, and then the NCAA rules. I believe OSU is only at the first step, so I don't think they have made a defense yet. I could be wrong, though.
so should we rely on your judgment of what's damning?
Dear Ted - can you help out here? terrelle needs to start getting his cash and benefits from an ncaa-approved source !! told X i would get on this ASAP so need another corvette and your personal tattooist pronto !! thanks, happy easter. go bucks !! - jt
From old threads, but I think they need to be brought back
And from MGoUser "winged victory" this is SO accurate and I can't get over his picture.
"Wake up slut...It's time to pay the fiddler Whore!"
Nice use of old school Devil (Tim Curry). I haven't seen that movie in a couple of decades.
....or is it?
All credit to "Winged Victory" not me,I'm just watching it all burn.
I think the Goddamn plane has just crashed into the mountian in C-bus.
this Ted Sarniak fella sound a lot like an Ed Martin type of individual?
I was thinking the same thing. This story and Jalen Rose's relationship with Ed sound exactly the same.
I like how they mention Terrel helps him as well. Doing what?
The 48 loaner is a joke. Who gets a 48 hour loaner with no money? You're telling me I walk into a dealership and ask to test drive a $25,000 truck and I have no job and they are going to give me the keys for the weekend? What a fucking joke.
He was driving a GMC Yukon, those are at least $50k...I believe it was a Denali, meaning the limited edition. My Dad sold these, they do not let ANYONE drive these cars along anymore, the salesperson has to be in the vehicle whether you're driving in the parking lot! Let alone an 18yr old from a modest background. Hell, I tried looking at a 2 seater Ford Ranger in college at 20 & they laughed when I said I was a college student, I come from a nice city in Oakland county too where someone my age could very well have tons of Mommy/Daddy money.
The corruption is neck deep down in Columbus....It's just starting to come out. Their running back Pittman from 2001 team said this stuff has been going on sinced he was there. Vests entire career might be wiped from the record books when said and done (I realize this probalby won't happen, but I can dream right).
"Mentor? Synonym for agent, I think."
They lied about Tressel forwarding the emails to anyone to keep this guy's name out of the news.
Oh! What tangled web we weave;
When first we practice to deceive!
He seems to be in a ton of trouble.
Thankfully though, he forwarded those emails to the NCAA and his own compliance office...errr, maybe the autofill put in a different address.
It used to be "Tressel can do no wrong". A lot of the comments now want him gone. If the local population is turning I wonder how long OSU can last with Tressel.
It is amazing how quiet the osu people in my office have been since this story broke. and it just keeps getting quieter. but I do not see Tressel getting fired; I imagine he would fall on his sword and resign if things got too bad. or maybe it would be strongly suggested he fall on his sword . . .
so he did not alert anybody....errr, ok, maybe a few FB friends instead of the University. Don't we all do that?
that breaks this camel's back, the final nail. . . excebera. This certainly ends all that unwarranted speculation that he told the AD/was "falling on his sword." It also places him in a far less flattering light about such activity in general because as I see it, we are now in the smarmy realms of CYA with smarmy cronies. Not sure he's left with a virtuous leg to stand on.
This is all part of Urban Meyer is going to be osu's football coach next fall:
Rumors around town are that Meyer already bought a house here:
As much as I want osu to suck and suffer, bringing in Meyer scares me.
Love the real estate rumors always a sign that no one knows what the heck is going on. So say's Lebron's house in Chicago and Les's in Barton Hills that he bought after LC retired.
Looks like one of their biggest Tressel slappies has just 180'd.
Love - LOVE - this from the comments:
I think Ramzy is counter-pointing the people that have pissed me off the most in this whole mess: the haters (I'm looking at you MGoBlog commenters) who think this is just the latest in a pattern of cheating by Tressel.
I don't personally know Jim Tressel, I'm not involved in the decisions he's made over his career. However, like most of us here, I feel I know him better than most of his haters know him. Because of that, I'd like to think he hasn't been tricking me for 10+yrs. I'd like to believe I didn't have wool over my eyes all this team. Maybe that's naive and biased because I don't want to feel like I've been made a fool of all this time. But I doubt it.
"I feel I know him better than most of his haters know him." Poor, desperate OSU fan. So sad to see the edifice come crashing down.
I am now laughing the laugh of the truly evil.
SO EVIL IT CANNOT BE RENDERED AS HTML.
Karma's a Bitch.
Dave Chapelle is hilarious. I'm Rick James, Bitch!
That elevenwarriors is even putting his head on the chopping block now. That place is sanctuary for even the most delusional buckeye fans.
"With every emerging detail of this story, Tressel becomes less and less virtuous (I was trying to protect the kids) and increasingly stupid (I emailed the shadiest character associated with Ohio State football since Robert Q. Baker without using an alias or a secure connection)."
That's my favorite sentence.
Will Gene Smith still be the NCAA's bitch when it comes to supporting the BCS should the NCAA finally come down hard on Tressel? Ironic if Ohio State breaking the rules would somehow lead to a playoff system. Yes, I know, slippery slope, but still.
What is Ohio State's strategy in all of this now? Are they simply hoping that the public and the NCAA will perceive Tressel's five game suspension as being harsh enough for the crime committed? Are they hoping that the NCAA will just tack on a few games to Tressel's "suspension"?
If I were a Buckeye fan, I would be delighted to get out of this without significant loss of scholarships and at least one year of bowl ban.
not really news.
Tressel almost said as much in the press conference before Gene Smith hushed him up.
The NCAA already knows this. We'll see how they feel about it.
People are debating how new this is. Screw it. It keeps it in the news, and I'm enjoying the hell out of it. Here's hoping another morsel comes out next week.
Saw the article earlier. Being in Cow Town heard it mentioned on the radio. Not enough points to start a thread so I wasn't able to post earlier. Just another in a long line of crap ol'boy Jimbo has perpitrated against NCAA. Interesting that tOSU investigated TP's use of a used 2004 Denali to visit PA during his freshman year and found nothing wrong as several dealerships offer a 48 hour test drive. The dealership says he brought it back because he couldn't afford it. WTF! How could a college freshman afford such a vehicle???
College athletes with pro potential get deferred loans all the time. It's a relatively shrewed business move. Get in good with an athlete before they have tons of money.
Heck, lots of people get loans with crazy terms to buy stuff they can't afford. Welcome to America.
I need you to please elaborate (let me know if you don't know what that word means) on your relationship with Ted Sarniak.
During his press conference where he apologized for lying, he was lying again?
Is there an NCAA definition of what a "booster" is? I found this which is UNC's internal definition from google (see below). It seems to me Pryor's "handler" at the very least is #3 since he was involved in the recruitment process. I would not be surprised if he was more than #3...
I only ask because it seems to have a different connotation had the article said Tressel gave inside info to an OSU booster rather than a "prominant business man who befriended Pryor".
You are a representative of UNC’s athletics interests, more commonly known as a “booster,” if you meet any of the following conditions:
- You are a member of any organization that promotes UNC’s athletics program (e.g., Rams Club).
- You have made a financial contribution to the UNC Department of Athletics or any of its booster organizations.
- You have ever assisted in the recruitment of prospects for UNC.
- You have provided benefits (e.g., summer jobs or occasional meals) to enrolled student-athletes.
- You have ever, in any way, promoted the athletics program at UNC.
NOTE: Please remember that once you become a booster, you retain that identity indefinitely.
Remember this post from Brian?