Two Hearted Ale

October 22nd, 2012 at 3:22 PM ^

Will someone explain to me why that wasn't a horse collar tackle? I've seen horse collar called on tackles that didn't look nearly that bad. Because he went down sideways instead of backwards? If that's the case the rule should probably just say you can't grab a guys shoulder pads behind the helmet. The tackler has way too much control over how you go down and most ways to go down in that position could cause injury.

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October 22nd, 2012 at 3:48 PM ^

Horse collar tacke = grabbing the shoulder pads.; the collar of the shoulder pads, that is.  Grabbing the jersey is not illegal and never has been illegal in making a tackle.  Josh Johnson's tackle was legal.

"It's a dirty game..." ~ Denard Robinson

As for medical clearances, the Gholston clearance still defies all explanation.  The Ohio State staff, in contrast, did exactly the right thing in sending Miller off in an ambulance.  It is impossible for me to understand how the same did not happen with Gholston in his game versus OSU.  MSU has had to take the position that Gholston was never unconscious.  Does anyone believe that?

Now, how Miller is cleared to practice starting on Tuesday is a bit weird to me.  But as others have said, once a player is off the field, away from the coaches and in the setting of a university hospital, I stop playing armchair doctor. 

Needs

October 22nd, 2012 at 4:46 PM ^

Just to add to the bit about the horse collar tackle, the rationale for making that a penalty was to prevent fibula fractures that happened when players were dragged down from behind, pulling their weight and the defender's weight onto the trailing leg that often got trapped underneath. Terrell Owens had a pretty notable broken leg caused by this in the Eagles Super Bowl year.

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October 22nd, 2012 at 5:11 PM ^

Horse collar foul includes grabbing the neckband/collar of the jersey in addition to the collar of a player's shoulder pads.  {pug150 said it correctly.}  But it looks like the Purdue defender just grabs the back of the jersey.  No foul; particularly on replay. 

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October 22nd, 2012 at 6:35 PM ^

lulz.  Horse collar illustration (jersey/neckband version).  A picture is worth a thousand words.  And Will Gholston is worth a thousand yards in personal foul penalties:

 

 

bubblelevel

October 22nd, 2012 at 3:25 PM ^

If he's cleared then good for him but... he was vomiting on himself and you could see it.  Also couldn't walk without 2 others helping him.  As far as concussion like symptoms go that's at the pretty clear end of the spectrum

Marvin

October 22nd, 2012 at 3:39 PM ^

I don't know if this is thread worthy so I'll tack it on to this topic. I was thinking about all of the coaching openings that seem to be looming, and it made me think of Ron English, whose star was certainly on the ascendant a few years back. Maybe it wasn't so smart to take the EMU job. That seems like a quagmire. It would almost be a step up for him to take a coordinator's job again.

 

hennesbe

October 22nd, 2012 at 3:43 PM ^

Winning is everything to Urban.  I think if another player took the hit Braxton did the medical staff would not let him play.  I guess they can evaluate him in practice this week.

alanmfrench

October 22nd, 2012 at 4:14 PM ^

book has closed on this one. they will probably be evaluating the shit out of him this week and he'll most likely be off limits for any contact as well. if he plays on saturday i will be mildly surprised.

Coach Kyle

October 22nd, 2012 at 4:42 PM ^

I'd like for him to be healthy for The Game. I don't want them to make any excuses, and I'd love to beat them at their best. I'd also love for them to be undefeated coming into our game. That way it's a win win situation. If we win, we'll crush them. If we lose, their sanctions will crush them. 

BubbaT33

October 22nd, 2012 at 4:49 PM ^

The very idea of him being 'ready to play' is a joke!  He suffered as severe a concussion as might be possible . . . I can't believe they would put him at risk of further injury so quickly! 

markusr2007

October 22nd, 2012 at 8:14 PM ^

They have Braxton Miller, Kenny Guiton, Cardale Jones and next year will add in TX phenom J.T. Barnett.  Historically, Urban Meyer football teams running this offense dating back to his Bowling Green days just don't have QB injury problems. Somewhat surprising, but there it is.