Fuck Dave Brandon
Brandon - Hoke Rumors Nonsense
No sir. Fuck you.
Sure if it'll make you feel better.
Guys... Please use protection if you do
No, Dave Brandon sucks.
Thank you for your contribution to the blog.
Yes. It has upped my level of knowledge of the world considerably.
Preferably in that order.
And happy Thanksgiving to you.
(Hint - perhaps elaboration on why you say "Fuck Dave Brandon" would add to the value of your comment.
Of course it's nonsense. There is literally no way it's going to happen. That fact that Brandon even has to acknowledge something so ridiculous is absurd. It's not going to happen, so everyone who is arguing that it should, or could, needs to just shut up and move on with their lives. The only thing the incessant complaining is going to do is negatively impact recruiting.
With all due respect, there are idiot fans in any fanbase, but recruits are probably more influenced by what they see on the field. If you are an offensive recruit or the parent of an offensive recruit, and you don't have a Michigan background (or even do), what would make you want to sign with Michigan?
Playing time, tradition, a fan base that actually cares, and a great education. Why do people think we're undesirable?
All of which you can get in other players. People would think Michigan is an undesirable location because of the dumpster fire that is the offense and the lack of improvement over time. And also the fact that Michigan has been largely irrelevant for a decade and a half.
Irrelevant is the wrong word.
During Coach Rod's tenure, Michigan was discussed more than anyone outside of the top 3-5. Even in losses, we're relevant. Brady Hoke became a recognizable name for almost everyone who follows college football when he beat Notre Dame in 2011. As soon as we were good again, we were a top story on ESPN. We are always overrated in the polls. We go to the BCS in front of equally deserving teams. We are picked to go to better bowls than better conference rivals. Michigan is always relevant.
You might want to say we haven't been very good in a decade and a half. I'd disagree, but you would have a better case.
I agree with you. Poor word usage. I would say that Michigan's performance has fallen far below the expectations of the coaches, players and fans in the past 15 years. There have been few bright spots, but they have existed. What is being put on the field is not good enough no matter what the reason(s) are.
More like 7-8 years
to say is it that Michigan has been rather irrelevant in the national title discussion for the better part of a decade and half. All the points you make are true, but the same can be said for the Cubs. Being in a discussion is not always a good thing. Meanwhile, in the time since the last Michigan title, Florida, USC, Ohio State, Alabama, and Texas have all won or made multiple appearances.
...that we have been the most interesting, unimportant programs in the nation over the last decade.
Similar to how the Dallas Cowboys have been covered nationally during the last decade, and how the LA Lakers have been covered nationally this year.
Records since 2008:
Michigan 40- 36
Notre Dame 49 26
MSU 55 23
Ohio State 62 -14
Reader71, you are one of my favorite "opposite" posters because you always provide logic, reason and insight with your comments. But here you're wrong - we've been mediocre for a while now and it the end is nowhere in sight - to me anyways.
Compared to our rivals over the past six years.....we suck.
The feelings are mutual.
BUT, I always use logic and reason. I'm not saying we've been good, but the period I was talking about is a decade and a half, as the OP said. In that time, we've won B1G titles and entered the last week of 2006 as the #2 team in the country. Not great, but not terrible. AND, as I said, we haven't ever, nor do I think we ever will be, irrelevant. Our most famous loss, to App State, is the most famous upset in college football history. This is why "irrelevant" is the wrong word
I am curious as to how much social media influences recruits these days. Social media plays such a huge role in the lives of all teenagers (I know, I have one), I wouldn't write it off as meaningless. It definitely has to play some role in how they view the different options they have.
Exactly, but it's not even just that. If there are "rumors" about Hoke, and we do end up replacing Borges, the potential of acquiring anyone halfway decent and established to replace Borges goes down significantly.
You could literally almost hire anyone and it couldn't get worse.
I don't get much into social media at all (I'm 54 fergodsakes!), but I believe it definitely has an influence on recruits in their decision-making process. Obviously, it will vary from athlete to athlete. But the scary part is it seems social media is relatively unregulated by the NCAA compared to everything else. What personal messages are these kids getting and from whom? How much negative recruiting is being done via SM? It would be interesting to know.
"If you are an offensive recruit or the parent of an offensive recruit, and you don't have a Michigan background (or even do), what would make you want to sign with Michigan?"
You realize that Kugler signed in our last class, right? I am pretty confident they knew what they were looking for on that decision and kicked the tires pretty well.
And your point is.... Kugler also signed on before things got even worse. I'm not disrespecting those who decide to sign. I'm just asking a logical question given what you can't avoid witnessing.
You think his father, an NFL line coach, didn't fully investigate whether Borges and Funk would be the best possible college coaches for his son?
Is it possible he was too busy coaching the O-Line? You know what, thank you for pointing this out, because since Patrick Kugler's (who is one of the few lineman who hasn't played this year) father obviously did a meticulous search to put his son in the right place, Borges and Funk are really geniuses. The offense just isn't talented enough. Everyone knows you need more than two lineman with NFL talent. The line has really gotten better when you put it under a microscope. Stats are way overrated. I can't wait until Borges gets all of his guys, because then this offense will show the country what Michigan is made of.
Seriously. Pat Kugler is your point. A guy who signed when things looked brighter and I am talking about right now. My first post in this thread makes more sense than all of yours combined.
Because you know more about coaching than they do. Of course you do. Makes perfect sense.
As for your first post making more sense than all of my posts combined, you'd probably know that Kugler (a recruit without a prior Michigan connection - in other words, precisely the example you asked for) signed after last year's offense line struggled nearly as badly as this year's offense line.
Imaginary conversation- Kugler's why is the interior of your Oline so bad? M coaches well were trying to run an offense to fit our talent and we're not great at it, but wait til next year when we can install MANBALL!
Sounds like a reasonable excuse, but after seeing the results of MANBALL maybe they wouldn't have signed giving the offensive ineptness this year has presented. M had a couple good recruiting classes and potential is there with player development. The question is will that development occur or were our recruits greatly over rated?
What? You mean what happens on the field matters? That is crazy talk. You are insane for suggesting such a thing! Flog this man!
And we have a lot of those idiot fans right here!
were you recruited? I am curious how you viewed the on-field product at that time.
The team has been a huge disappointment this year and is going backwards as the season goes on, but sure lets blame a few internet posters for potential recruiting failingsand not the coaching staff responsible for the results on the field.
I'm pretty sure there's only one reason whis post was made by Brandon: Peppers.
Exactly. There is no way a Michigan coach is fired after only three years.
How do you not realize you're doing the exact thing that caused the Hoke rumors? There is exactly nothing that makes it seem they're gone except more rumors! It's one thing to say you want them gone. It's another to say it seems like they're gone. One can actually start a conversation, while the other is total bullshit that makes the program sound unstable.
First, this is a fan blog run by fans and frequented by fans that was one of the best there is because of the uniquely informed and intelligent conversations that take place here and has recently gone to absolute shit because of the regurgitated calls for Borges's head and mindless extreme negativity ignoring all positive happenings.
Second, you still have not offered any inside knowledge regarding the coaching situation and are merely reading into Brandon's statement what you want to hear. I can just as easily say Brandon reiterated that he trusts Hoke and the guys he brought in but based on a direct question regarding he coaches he said he evaluates the coaches every year and looks for the problem. He and Hoke can just as easily come to the conclusion that youth is the primary problem at those positions as this week's diaries have revealed and in the case of the RBs, as 20 years of excellent RBs have revealed. Are the coaches going to get fired? We don't know. And that's the point.
Third, I'm pretty sure the rumors actually started with he ESPN piece (the predominate sports news source for every recruit I'd bet) saying Hoke is on the hot seat with absolutely no evidence. If you don't think those ESPN idiots look at this and other blogs and their own mentally impaired article commenters, then you are the one UNDERestimatig our importance. This is the age of social media when even CNN uses random tweets as a source so you can bet the major sports news outlets look to the fans for a sense of the program's health. ESPN has in fact cited this very blog on multiple occasions. And when they look at the blog and other recruiting boards now they see panic and pitchforks pointed at the coaches despite the obvious need to rebuild. So yeah, if you take a broader view like a functionally abstract thinking adult is capable, you will see that we do in fact have an impact. If we didn't the media wouldn't even be asking about the coaches at these pressers.
Brandon is a little late on this. By the way, who do you think is spreading those rumors that Hoke may be fired? (If you guessed staff members of programs who are also recruiting Jabril Peppers, you win the prize!)
No one has ever had the thought of Hoke being fired other than Michigan fans who want Borges fired. Just ask a Borges cultist, they'll tell you.
Because Michigan is bad at football
Stuck in the past. Forced power O scheme. High academic standards. Disallows cheating.
The quote you copied seems like non-news - as the athletic director, I would assume one of his standard duties is to meet with coaches and go over the season and what they can do to improve. It only becomes newsworthy when one of those coaches is on the hot seat and news sites are looking for hits on possible coaching changes. This one seemed more useful to me:
"Brady Hoke is our football coach, and he's going to be our football coach into the future," Brandon told The Detroit News in a telephone interview Wednesday. "Any of that nonsense is that -- nonsense. Let me make this clear, this isn't about one football game or a couple disappointing losses. It's about building a program.
"The same guy who was national coach of the year his first year (in 2011 when Michigan went 11-2) is the same guy. So the same guy who started that process is going to finish that process, and it's Brady Hoke. I want to put a bucket of cold water on these Brady Hoke rumors, because it's so ridiculous. He will be our football coach, and I'm proud to say it."
Translation: Firing multiple coaches after only three years is a good way to end up with a program that's always in transition.
Exactly if we continue firing coaches we will end up with recruiting classes like 2010.. 26 recruits and we have 6 kids left that actually contribute
Although there are a rare few programs that have made an art of the idea of being always in transition and somehow winning at a reasonable pace (not a great one) with a group of players that are typically someone else's players, most fail miserably at it and there is no compelling reason to be that program. I would have thought it was a foregone conclusion that Hoke stays - indeed, there is a realizable possibility that the staff remains intact too (even if many wouldn't be thrilled with that), and that really isn't even a bad strategy for many good business reasons. That is to say, at the end of the day, I would assume that the reasons Brandon and Hoke have to maintain some continuity (recruiting and building the roster come into play here) are far more attractive that a canning rampage.
As much as I think Borges was awful this year, Brady Hoke should be the one to make the decision regarding the OC. Brady, who are you going to start at OC in your critical 4th and 5th years? And, Brady, you do realize that you unexpectedly used up a good deal of capital in your 3rd year.
A delegator type coach is only as good as the coordinators he can identify and attract. I hope Brady believes that he can do better than Borges. But I don't want Brandon making that decision. (Brandon does need to support a attract a new OC with $$$, of course.) Brady needs to make that decision himself with the knowledge that the decision that Dave Brandon makes--whether or not to retain Hoke--is one that is going to be evaluated without a "needs more time" result in the next two years.
Love that he snuck that coach of the year bit in there. I only wish he would have used stronger language about the rumors and maybe slammed the anonymous coaches negatively recruiting a la Muschamp on Meyer.
Did you read the title? Your quote reiterates what the title says
My quote states the problem at hand and how they will fix the problem...Which is Al Borges.
Buuuuuuut Al Borges rumors? Don't fail me now!
Exactly. I'd rather go to the Heart of Dallas Bowl with no OC and get a head start on finding a suitable replacement.
Coaches with 26-11 records do not get fired. Especially not when they are hired by the AD as a replacement for a regime that went 15-22.
Is everyone OK?
Remind me again what John Cooper's record was?
111-43-4. Good career.
In his first 3 seasons, he went 19-14-2. He wasn't fired. He went on to go 111-43-4 over 13 seasons.
John Cooper had a great tenure at Ohio State BECAUSE they didn't fire him for having a winning record in his first three seasons.
I get your point, but even still, Hoke is 1-1 vs. Ohio.
for a time there was talk of naming February 10th, 2001 "John Cooper day"...because 2-10-1 in the only game that mattered.
I miss John Cooper
Remind me again: How many years was John Cooper the head coach at Ohio State?
26-11 is not good enough, and quoting records without context is stupid. The best players on the current team are Rich Rod recruits, and how surprising that the same people who rode him out of town now want to give Hoke the chance he never got.
Its not good enough. But it won't get you fired.
It still stands as a truth. 26-11 does not get you fired when the AD who hired you is still the AD, and that AD fired a coach with a 15-22 record. This is the way of things. Disagree with that, bit not the facts of life.
I liked RR for as long as I could, but Hoke's worst year is still better than RR's best year.
7-5 > 7-5?
Well I guess it sounded good to some.
and better than 81st http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/sagarin/2009/team/
and better than 95th http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/sagarin/2008/team/
I'm not particularly inclined to defend 46th, but it is better than 60th.
Opinion rankings? Really? You don't care how bad it is, so long as a few people with votes thinks it isn't quite as bad as it is? The offense is an utter trainwreck right now. Absolutely zero progress over the course of the last two seasons. This team peaked at the Notre Dame game. That was game two. It's indefensible. Our defense is pretty much the only reason we've even been anywhere near competitive in any of our losses. They're the reason there's any poll anywhere considering us anything other than abysmal.
(by the end of a season.)
The Michigan results are "out-of-sample".
Hoke has played about 75% of the number of teams that ended the season ranked that Rich Rod played. No one seems to want to point that out. The Big Ten is significantly worse now than it was 5 years ago.
Brady Hoke has never beaten a team ranked in the top 15 in his entire career.
Obviously, since RR guys are all upperclassmen now.
Hoke's guys are at best true juniors right now (from the 2011 hybrid class where he had a few weeks to fill 10ish spots). His first full class are either RS Freshmen or true Sophomores.
Do I even need to bring up the 2010 class debacle AGAIN?
I like DB.. or I really try to like him.. or maybe I kinda don't anymore. Either way, I love how he infers his apathy towards the possible sea of 'red' at the stadium on Sat. It's pretty safe to say it wasn't his intention -- but with his support of the commoditization of College athletics, it comes off smelling like "I don't care who's really there, we're making money. That's good for MICHIGAN."
Yeah I hate the use of the phrase "the world we live in". It's a cop out. He should say that is wrong! For Michigan fans to sell their tix to Bucknut fans.
It's shouldn't be a sea of red ever! Whoever sells to Bucknuts fans should be punched right in the lips with brass knuckles
Maybe they were bought by an Ohio fan and mayber they weren't. Either way I dont give a shit what you or anyone else thinks of my decision. It is no one's business but my own what I do with my tickets. If you want to send me $400 everytime I choose not to go to a game to make sure an opponents fan doesn't buy them then maybe we have something to talk about. Otherwise, you can take your opinion and shove it.
Pat Haden said the same thing about Lane Kiffin just a handful of games before he was canned.
Kiffin has also been pretty much a PR nightmare.
Hoke is going to get another year for sure. But if next year is as bad as this one it might get touchy. Brandon is not going to like standing on the corner every week trying to sell 50,000 tickets.
Because the longer they wait, the more candidates will slip through their fingers to other gigs. Should they wait until after the bowl to make an inevitable move... well, it just reinforces the growing notion that there are some real stubborn, blinder-wearing dopes at or near the top of this fumbling, stumbling organization...
After the bowl is my guess, Hoke is probably too nice of a guy to cut him before and will likely give him a month of bowl preparation to try to salvage whatever he can. Heck, I think the fanbase needs to acknowledge the slim but real possibility that Borges is retained going into next season.
That will go over well, as long as the Borges offense puts up 70 against Ohio State this weekend. Since it is more likely that his offense puts up 7 against Ohio State this board is going to be awesome if Hoke announces he is keeping Borges.
Them seats gonna be scorching hot.
About what you say about us Dopes....8-)
Not saying I even remotely believe the John Harbaugh rumor...but if he expresses interest do you not send the Learjet?
But they won't unfortunately.
I thought he did a good job. DB's public relations skills do Michigan well at times, IMO...I also thought it was interesting that he said he's not going to go through position by position and defend each coach. That implies, if nothing else, that he doesn't consider Coach Hoke to have total control over who populates his staff.
"But I can't engage in a public discussion of personnel and won't. I'm not going to talk about individuals up and down the staff."
How in the freaking hell can you conclude from this bland statement that Brandon "....doesn't consider Coach Hoke to have total control over who populates his staff?"
All DB meant was that he wasn't going to discuss in public the same stuff that he will be discussing in private.
If Brandon HAD gone through and defended—or not—each coach in public, then he would have been blasted for interfering in Hoke's staff.
I'm not a big fan of Brandon, but bashing him for this statement to the newspaper is bashing for bashing's sake. Brandon's in a no-win position with regard to meeting with Hoke and discussing personnel and coaches. Since he does that, he gets labled as a meddler by those who think he should be hands off. I guarantee that if he didn't meet with Hoke to discuss those things, then he'd be bashed by an equally large contingent of fans for not caring about the the program.
...to see if DB was holding a sign that said, "Attn: Jabrill Peppers?"
The program needs stability and 3-4 strong recruiting classes.
Will the entire organization stay in tact after this year? Probably not since most staffs have some change every year or two.
Hoke, though, will be here for years.
Yes, at least two.
I'm expecting much better from the next two years, but if not...
the dreaded vote of confidence?
The full statement put out by Brandon can hardly be derided as "the dreaded vote of confidence." See for yourself here. Pretty smart to mention New Jersey in this paragraph:
Our coaches are recruiting nationally from New Jersey to California, from Michigan to Florida, and continue to bring in the type of young men that can compete on the field and in the classroom at the University of Michigan. The depth that this program needs to be a consistent winner is coming, but it doesn't happen overnight or in one or two recruiting classes. It takes time and probably a little more time than we all anticipated. However, the only threat to our continued success in recruiting is the same old, tired tactic being used by some who wish to see us fail -- to try and scare young recruits into believing that our coach "is on the hot seat" -- which simply isn't true. In fact, this is the same guy that was Big Ten and national coach of the year two seasons ago.
Jerry Jones speaks.
Uh oh. The dreaded vote of confidence. Time to work on odds for the eventual Hoke firing date......
Yep - exactly.
Not sure where all the hate for Brandon comes from. He of course wants Michigan to succeed having played here. If Hoke isn't the right guy, he'll be gone. But he is the coach for at least another 2 years.
This is a pretty forceful vote of confidence if you read Brandon's post on the U of M athletics website..much stronger than the Angelique article most of these comments refer to. Amazing how a recruit could force this in a day. This Peppers recruitment is going to be quite the soap opera the next couple months.
We need stability and some upperclassmen that are Hoke's recruits to see this through. There needs to be continuous improvement from here. Do we all remember the days when we went 8-4, 9-3, 10-2? A major difference those years was that we beat either, some, or all MSU, PSU, OSU, while losing a game that we should not have. This year we have lost to all 3.
Another thing to keep in mind regarding ESPN starting the Hoke "hot seat" rumors is that ESPN is heading up the SEC network starting in 2014. If you don't think they'll take any opportunity to sway the top recruits to SEC then you are naive. They want the SEC to continue to dominate for ratings and $.
Oh I love conspiracies.
What about the man on the grassy knoll?
Which part of that do you think is a conspiracy? I think we can all agree ESPN is interested in making money, and the success of the SEC, and subsequently the SEC network, give them the best chance of making the most money. To me, the conspiracy is why ESPN controls as much of the sports worldview as they do, when there's clearly a conflict of interest.
The Big Ten TV footprint is much much larger than the SEC.
Are you from the future?
Brandon, because of his experience as a Michigan player and as AD, understands the situation that Michigan is in more than anyone. He knows where Michigan was when he took over the AD's position, and he knows where Michigan was at the end of the Carr tenure.
The most important sentence in his quote is, "It's about building a program." Meaning, Michigan isn't there yet. It's one thing to take over for a coach who had all the tools at his disposal, like Zook at Florida, but just never seemed to get over the hump. That is not Michigan. As I've said elsewhere, Michigan was a shell of its former self, despite what many people refused to believe. Hoke was brought in to rebuild the program, and doing anything disrupt that process now could be send Michigan into a tail spin that would take EVEN LONGER to recover from.
Young, inexperienced players who start prematurely due to roster/depth issues don't stay young and inexperienced for long. In time, they become mature and HIGHLY experienced. Then, the young guys that you have on the roster can redshirt, develop normally, and play when it is their turn, and not be pressed into service.
Other coaches have had more success with less.
Hoke has built his way to less wins each year.
Hoke's limited success has come with the previous coaches players.
If building a program takes time, why extend that time to Hoke but not Rodriguez? You can point to the records and I'm not necessarily against the firing of Rodriguez, but three years has been used to bash one coach while with another it "isn't enough time."
This "more success with less" meme is bullshit. Name one, and I'll bet that the roster he inherited looked nothing like the roster Hoke inherited.
I've stated my support for RR, based on the bare cupboard Carr handed over (20+ scholarships short), repeatedly. To me, the problem with RR was that he was doing very little to rebuild that roster deficiency, and actually made it worse when it came to the OL. Hoke addressed that need immediately, and locked in two elite OL classes. This is at the heart of the "not enough time" issue. There years (really two recruiting wise) is not enough when the coach is restocking the roster like Hoke is, but his players, in particular the OL, have not become upperclassmen.
Hoke's most successful season came via a group of upperclassmen, from Carr's last class, that lead the team and Denard's magic. The problem is the talent and depth (which was still an issue then) fell precipitously off a cliff after that. Which, again, is why we're struggling this season more than last. As I have said over and over. There was always going to be a "lull year" in which the small and relatively weak classes from RR years bite Michigan in the ass. It's simply the cycles of college football. Every program goes from being veteran to young, then to veteran again. The trick is to make sure that the whole team doesn't become young all at once. That is the retention issue, and the ability to redshirt, that is so important in maintaining long term success. RR had a depleted roster, so he didn't RS many guys, and then he had retention issues as well.
Look at the number Ron Utah posted. Look at the comparatively small size of our 4th and 5th year players. That is the issue, and those seeds were sown on RR's watch, just like the seeds of RR's similar lack were sown on Carr watch. Programs that remain successful year in and year out do so by maintaining and cultivating their recruiting pipeline. Michigan's broke, and Hoke is now mending it.
Explain the coaching prowess behind the TWO damning delay of game calls that potentially cost us vs PSU. That should never happen. There are many other indicators that hint at moderate intellect possessed by Hoke outside of the offensive issues. He is not a tactician. And Al Borges has not once shown me he can adapt and make lemons into lemonade. I don't want to get into it more because I know your response. Lets agree to disagree. But I do hope you are the one who turns out right. But every bone in my body hopes Al Borges will be gone and Hoke gets 1-2 more years IF Borges goes.
Hoke's "moderate intellect" has him at one of te top positions in his field making millions of dollars a year. Smart guy like you is far less successful and posting on a message board at 11 at night.
Since it's mgoblog, you should have made a graph: income on the x-axis, intelligence on the y-axis. And, according to you, it's a straight line, up and to the right.
Give me a break. A lot of people make money; some of them are smart.
I don't know Brady Hoke one bit. He may be the smartest guy we've ever had as coach, or the dumbest. I have no clue.
But please don't tell me that because he makes a lot of money he's some kind of genius. I've known too many people who are well off to know that this is clearly not the case.
I think this makes a lot of sense and is completely consistent with DB statement. It looks like the o line issues set up a lot of the other issues on offense. I also agree that this staff does not seem to be as crisp in-game tacticians as most programs, and that is rather concerning. Hopefully, eventually, talent from the recruiting will overcome all of this and M will wind up being the "LSU of the Big Ten" (with Coach Hoke being a less crazy and less shady version of Les Miles).
That stated, do you think that a plausible outcome will be that Borges and M part ways at the end of the season? I do. I also do not think a new external OC would be brought in, since new OC's would want to put their own position coaches in place. I think the most likely outcome (apart from no changes at all) would be the elevation of Coach Hecklinski into the OC position (although not sure what impact this would have on his current role as Recruitment Coordinator), and Coach Jackson chooses to retire. I think Coach Funk gets a pass, as his linemen are indeed very young and he has been a very good recruiter. I think this is what makes Borges expendable, since he does not really recruit at all and turns out to be Funk's saving grace this year. If all of this happens, then 2 new assistants are brought in to coach some combination of QB/WR/RB.......does this make any sense?
Hoke is recruiting at a high level.
OK, good, but pretty dire circumstances that anything had to be said at all. And I want Hoke on the clock next year.
You are forever destined to mediocrity.
When you are building an offense from the shadow of Denard Robinson it takes time. Fitz couldn't run behind the other/earlier OL either. Denards überspeed covered it all up. Consider the day when Denard was knocked out by/at Nebraska. The defense went into angry dog blitz mode, the OL folded like cards and we lost. Fast forward to 2013. No Denard, defense blitzes like stampeding goats, and DG is under intense pressure. The single key...wait for it....is the day when we can neutralize repeated blitzes long enough to burn the defense's "cheating". When we reach that space it's game-back-on...
Also Usually the "false" votes of confidence are really reaaaalllly bland. For DB to go into a lot of detail makes his words ring a lot truer in everyone's minds, according to me.
I think it will be another 15 years before another player can achieve the feats of DRob. Maybe 20. Although I would very much like to see a certain Mr Peppers prove me wrong with play on both sides of the ball.
our ad has to put out a trire fire with peppers. Isnt that a recruiting violation not to mention a little demeaning and a reflection on how far we've fallen? Guess it is better than skywriting in lansing.
Your right. A leader should never stabalize the ship. What was he supposed to do?
His National Search was a Joke, rhymes with . . oh nevermind,