“I think Coach Robinson is real good,” he said. “He was somebody who really tried to teach you the game. ‘These are why we’re calling these plays or these blitzes now.’”
Graham said his concerns were purely schematic.
“You’ve got to have four down linemen. You’ve got to,” he said. “Or five. You’ve got to stop them holes, and you got to get to the quarterback. You got to trust the cornerbacks are going to do their job.”
The great BG speaks the
yes. lets trust james rogers
yes. lets trust James Rogers and Courtney Avery in coverage. Thats what we should do.
Edit: not even to mention having Freshman Vinopal at deep safety. This would be suicide
What difference would it make...
We're still giving up 80+ yard drives with the "bend-not-break" defense. Why not try sending more men at the quarterback? Yeah we may get torched a couple times, but it's no different than giving up long, sustained drives.
Apparently Avery played more man coverage in high school, so this would actually play to his strength. It's worth a shot at least. With Illinois having a freshman QB, I think it's more important get to him quicker, forcing him to make bad decisions.
-Rob-
"The true test of leadership, ... always comes when things go poorly" - Lloyd Carr
Avery
As we've notice Avery tends to play man coverage whether the D is in man or zone so might as well play to his "I'm playing man no matter what" tendency...
I'm not saying I know...
That is not possible
This defense is as bad of a defense that I have ever seen.You cannot worse that this inept group.
The team, the team, the team.-Bo Schembechler
Believe me, I understand...
Maybe it's just the knee-jerk reaction, or buying into the "definition of insanity". I understand the only way they'll really get better is through experience, tackling better, fundamentals, etc. It's just frustrating. You just hope something can change that will ignite a spark, although deep down you know there really is no instant cure-all. Although, I really do believe we need to rush more guys, especially against a young QB. We'll see this Saturday, either way.
-Rob-
"The true test of leadership, ... always comes when things go poorly" - Lloyd Carr
There's a competing factor
There's a competing factor though. All things equal, more plays = more mistakes. But things aren't equal. If you sell out and get pressure, you are more likely to force a mistake on a given play. I think the gamble is worth it.
No you're right. Let's just
No you're right. Let's just use 2 down linemen, and toss the rest of the D in the secondary to support our corners, so we can get gashed for 6-8 yards through the porous line every play, giving up huge runs game after game. Let's also protect our secondary by giving them 15 yard cushions off the line of scrimmage on 3rd and 7.
Let's keep not trusting our young secondary, and keep bleeing 80 yard, 7 minute, demoralizing drives, vs a scheme that shuts down the run, gets an occasional sack (wtf is a sack? I forgot what they look like), maybe gets a turn over or two, but yeah, gives up 4 or so bombs each half.
I'll take my chances.
And that's different from
And that's different from what we are doing now how? Our corners are getting beat up as it is, might as well try to get some more pressure on the QB.
“What the mind can conceive, the mind can achieve and those who stay will be champions.” - Bo
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suicide is about all we've
suicide is about all we've got... the only chance we have is getting to the QB quickly, and that's only happening with pressure. I'll go with Brandon Graham's opinion over yours. Those young corners need to grow up fast. if we get to the qb quickly, we would actually be helping them along, rather than hoping they can cover someone for 10 seconds,
'my head take's a lickin' but it keeps on tickin' just the same'
So letting a passer sit back with no pressure is better?
If you don't trust BG, listen to Ron Simpkins on Rivals saying the same thing. He was only our All-American LB and played about 8 years in the NFL. http://michigan.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1147738
Just sayin', listen to the experts.
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Honestly maybe it's because I watch a lot of philly eagles football, but I would like to have a lot more dline pressure and put our purest corners on their wr and let them learn the hard way if necessary. This death by a thousand paper cuts is no way to go imo. It takes away opportunities from our O, tires our D, and just seems like a big momentum killer after giving up a first down on each third and long. Even I can complete those passes with the amount of time other teams qb gets.
I agree, putting pressure on
I agree, putting pressure on the QB makes this very young secondaries job easier.
too bad
that BG's job security isn't in question
GRwolverine73
I want
Brandon Graham to somehow earn 4 more years of eligability and come back!
Well damn it, give him 4 down linemen
and give him a jersey as well, I think he could get by as # J Black for a while. But when he gets 10 sacks in one game it may raise some flags
"Look up, get up, and don't ever give up"
I wouldn't say no to brandon
I wouldn't say no to brandon graham... you know what happens when you do?
Touchdown Michigan!
That hit never gets old
Brandon Graham punished Winston more than the legal system or his coach ever did.
You could same about
You could same about Dantonio, but it wouldn't be saying much.
Galileo was also chastised.
St. Dantanna...
what a joke he is on discipline.
Go Blue!!!!!!
That felt good
I just watched that about 15 times.. sweet baby jesus that felt good.
That's not so great.
I could do that.
Uh...
But I don't want to.
; )
This video makes me feel warm
This video makes me feel warm and calm. It should be made into a slow-mo GIF so I can meditate with it.
Irony
This play only had 3 down lineman. /irony
+1
i was going to say the same thing.
Though they did have 3 guys standing on the line, 2 of whom blitzed gaps i believe.
Still, ironic and funny, don't ya think? (it's like rain on my wedding day.. blah blah blah)
HAIL.
"Where's the threat? Oh, it's right here, and it's devouring us alive." -Ace<
Something tells me that A.J.
Something tells me that A.J. Sturges would approve of this video.
"It's the only place to get the inside story on Wolverine football, so blee bluhh tahh!" - Bo
Roh
My hope is that we keep Roh at DE for every play and let him go to work.
I agree completely
I think BG is right about 4 down linemen, and the 4th should be Roh. He is so much more effective as a lineman than at linebacker in coverage.
I like how he gave his opinion and showed support
Now this is how you support the program, while giving your opinion about what should be done. I like that BG supported Greg, but called out the scheme.
even
Braylon could learn from Brandon.
"..."
Let's be honest
There's quite a few people Braylon could learn from.
This article is interesting for a couple of reasons.....
1) It sounds like RR is forcing Gerg to run something in which he either doesn't have expertise or a high comfort level
2) It hints at the major internal philosphical differences on the staff which leads to confusion on the field.
This is like 6 levels of
This is like 6 levels of assumption.
My problem regarding this 3-3-5 stack mandate from RichRod idea is, he must have told the DC's before they took the job this is what he wanted. They must have said "yep, OK, will do." That is if all this comes as a mandate from RichRod. If that's the case, then I can't see how the DC would be mad about it now.
Give it to Wheatley!
What assumptions are being made?
BG says that he doesn't know why they switched to he 3-3-5 instead of GR's defense that was previously being used. That sounds to me like GR was implementing his own style of defense but RR chose to move to a 3-3-5 defense.
...confidence is the stain they can't wipe off...
BG says he doesn't know why
BG says he doesn't know why they switched.
You ASSUME it was because RichRod mandated it.
You just said it.
That assumption has some merit. The second point the dude made regarding the 'great philosophical differences' leading to confusion on the field took it a step further into fantasy land.
It's not like the defense went from lights out in 2009 to this. It wasn't very good in 2009 either and then lost 32 DBs and the two best players.
Give it to Wheatley!
I'm not sure I agree with you...
With quotes like this from BG
“Let Coach Robinson play his defense,” Graham said. “Let him do what he knows. He was thrown off, I would say. I know the 3-3-5 is what he (Rodriguez) has been doing for so long. He’s just got to adjust to the Big Ten.” and this....
“I’m surprised they didn’t stick with what Coach Robinson was running,” Graham said of the 3-4 the team deployed in 2009, its first year under Robinson.
This sounds like it was strongly "suggested" from above.
“Let Coach Robinson
“Let Coach Robinson play his defense,” Graham said. “Let him do what he knows. He was thrown off, I would say. I know the 3-3-5 is what he (Rodriguez) has been doing for so long. He’s just got to adjust to the Big Ten.”
Galileo was also chastised.
Amen Brandon. Amen...
Amen Brandon. Amen...
Couldn't agree more
With BG.
...confidence is the stain they can't wipe off...
He speaks
He speaks the truth! Will someone please listen?
GMW
And to be consistent, RR
And to be consistent, RR should listen to this:
“Let Coach Robinson play his defense,” Graham said. “Let him do what he knows. He was thrown off, I would say. I know the 3-3-5 is what he (Rodriguez) has been doing for so long. He’s just got to adjust to the Big Ten.”
Especially since there was a large group of people who wanted Rodrigues to basically keep the offense the same (do spread-lite) in his first year here until he had a bit more talent. And he said (I'm paraphrasing) "We're going to coach what we know." Doesn't Greg Robinson get the same consideration?
I don't know that the 3-3-5 must fail in the Big 10, but I'm pretty sure that a teacher is only effective teaching what he knows. You can't take the world's best english literature professor and stick him in a french lit class and expect him to be just as dynamic and knowledgable.
The beatings will continue until morale improves.
You can't run that play baby! C'mon!
I want BG to stalk the sidelines and Schembechler Hall and have him crush people ala Terry Tate when he sees we're doing something wrong.(like not going with 4DL like many of us have been begging for.)
do we have
enough people to run 4 downlinemen and what cause do we have to trust our CB's especially now that we are starting a true Freshmen and a 5th year, 1st year seeing the field player.
You have to trust three
You have to trust three freshman DBs...oops...not going to happen.
All in and always in
Trust
First time I've heard trust and our corner backs in the same sentence...
Why are people so hot about 4 down linemen?
NFL and college teams run 3-4s with plenty of success. His old teammate on the western side of the state, Lamar Woodley, plays in a 3-4 with the Steelers. The three down lineman scheme is not the problem. How we are coaching and executing it is the issue.
I want someone to explain how using 4 down linemen all the time will suddenly turn this into an average defense.
3-4 vs 3-3-5 vs 4-3
I think BG was calling for 4 down lineman because he feels that our D line would be a greater source of strength as opposed to our linebacking corp or our defensive backs. I don't think he's saying that three down linemen can't work, just that one should play to their strengths.
Exactly
We need to get more guys up front to put pressure on the QB. Something we have struggled at with 3 down lineman. We have tried a lot of changes, why not try this, especially with our lack of secondary players.
We ran a lot of 4-4 against MSU
And I believe we showed more 4 man fronts against Iowa. MSU was a debacle. Iowa, not so much, but still not great. In neither game did the QBs get rattled. They sat back and picked apart our defense.
While I think a 4-man front may allow for fewer mistakes, I would counter that we may be able to get more QB pressure with a 3 man front. I think our injury situation may force the abandonement of the 3-3-5, but we're not exactly healthy up front either. I think we could be more creative in disguising our blitzes with a 3 man front. If the QB knows we're coming, but him nor his linemen know which one is coming, it gives them something extra to think about.
The great BG speaks the truth. Please someone listen to him, GERG, RR, someone.
“What the mind can conceive, the mind can achieve and those who stay will be champions.” - Bo
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