It appeared as if Branden Dawson threw a sucker punch at Travis Carroll during the MSU/Purdue game, and the incident is under review by the B1G conference. Michigan State has released a statement saying they have reviewed the play, and they have concluded no punch was thrown ... case closed. But is it? You be the judge. It looks like a punch from the angle provided, but the video quality is poor.
Branden Dawson punches Purdue's Travis Carroll?
If The_Unknown aka MrMario isn't banned for good after this then I will lose all hope in humanity. Just wow. How was he allowed back on here? It's too bad BiSB left the mod team.
Definitely a punch. Sparty gonna spart.
Ignorant much? Now that the conference has reviewed thge videos, plural, you are truly an embarrassment, as are 85% of the other comments here as well. Amazing and ironic that people here talking about State and Dawson's lack of class need to take a long, hard look in the mirror, if any introspective skills exist, that is.
There never was a punch, as even common sense made clear from the moment "it" happened. But I know, it's too fun to attack stupidly and blindly, isn't it. How many here accused Dawson of something he never did again?
If it were State fans and the other way around, I'd criticize them, too, and have at times in the past, of course. I guess I just don't feel the need to hide behind being a Michigan fan to act like a complete jerk like so many here do. Not all, of course, but most.
Also didn't want to suspend Tom Gholson, so I'm not sure their opinion matters. We'll see what the league says. Did the refs go to the monitor during the game?
If that's not a punch, I don't know what is.
and Dawson was letting Carroll know he was it.
then Clowney's hit was a weak hit!
Wow, can I stop by and now show you what a real punch is, since you're obviously pretty clueless on what one is? You know, like the one that Dawson didn't throw, as a separate video angle conclusively proved to the B1G conference already. But thanks for showing all of us again what an idiot and judgmental clown one can look like when seeing things through a team's blinders.
Looking forward to your apology, right?
But it is no big deal, this is just Izzo playing 40 minutes of unnecessary roughness. Dantonio will be proud of his buddy.
...I believe there was a second punch that came from the grassy knoll.
That's a punch, and shame on MsU for trying to brush it under the rug like nothing happened. I get that athletes get pissed and do stupid things from time to time but I would be furious if one of our players did something unsportsmanlike and was not punished.
About Justice Hayes as he ran out on the field this year in The Game? Often times we all say things and our players do the same thing. What's the difference?
I don't recall that. I DVRed the game and fast forwarded through everything up to the kickoff. I would hope he got reprimanded by the coaching staff, and with our coaching staff I think it's safe to assume that they dealt with it accordingly. Maybe it wasn't public, but we certainly wouldn't put out a press release saying Hayes was just trying to give the other player a high five or some others bs.
In the Ohio State game?
Credit, justice Hayes did not play in the Ohio game but clearly swung at an osu player as Michigan was running onto the field, the pregame cameras caught it. I'm sure Hoke did something about it but according to my eyes, Justice clearly swung and sort of connected on a Buckeye, wish someone had the video...either way like someone mentioned, it's not like we wouldn't hold him accountable.
Edit: actually I just looked at Justice Hayes supposed punch, it clearly wasn't as bad as I initially thought...it was not a fist towards the Ohio guy, it was palm open, more of a smack in the direction of the Ohio player, it appears as if he connected, but far from a punch in my book. I'm sure hoke took care of it, probably not deserving of a suspension.
I think that's why even though people were saying "why isn't Hayes in there?" In the open game thread he never sniffed the field.
FWIW I don't think the Dawson thing is a big deal either. If the B1G can see he threw it he should be suspended, but I don't think it makes him a dirty player or anything. Just a kid caught up in the heat of the moment who might need to be punished. It wasn't a neck twist. I just find the denial funny. You didn't have Michigan issuing a statement saying "Justice Hayes didn't hit anybody."
Can we all expect a big public apology now from you since you very publicly accused Dawson of something he never did? I mean, the B1G already reviewed the alleged incident and announced that there will be no penalties at all. You know, confirming the obvious fact that there was never a punch in the first place...
Make sure the apology is to MSU, too. You accused them of a coverup, right? How about you face the facts; you were 100% wrong in accusing a kid of something he never did. You accused a university and athletic department of a cover up. You assumed that there was a punch despite considerable evidence to the contrary, simply because you wanted to get in a dig at MSU.
Some people are able to root for a team without the lack of class shown here by you and so many others in this case. If people want to use the term Michigan Man, try living up to it and not assuming next time simply because you hate MSU?
That a punch wasn't thrown with a straight face?
Because Hollis and MSU's idea of an internal review would look at WTC footage and conclude it was a gas leak.
Extensive cosmetic surgery. Hollis, Izzo and the gang are no longer capable of a grin or smirk.
Perhaps because it wasn't even close to a punch, you moron! You know, as the B1G already confirmed after being much smarter than you and not just assuming, but waiting to look at other angles... You know, like anybody with an IQ over about 85 would have done. Oh, I'm sorry...
It's possible to hate a rival like MSU without being complete morons, as 85% of the people here have shown to be regarding this incident. Don't dare to call other teams and fans classless after what we've seen right here on this site. Accusing a kid of something he never did, accusing MSU of a cover up, and for what? To make most people here look like judgmental jerks who aren't even rational enough to wait until other replays are seen? Or to think for a moment, Hmm... If Dawson had punched Carroll, I wonder why Carroll never grimaced, moved, etc...
C'mon people, we should be better than this...
Mike Tyson didn't punch Michael Spinks.
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Looks like a punch but you'd expect a little more reaction from carrol if it was, right?
Has rock hard abs
Perhaps Carrol was more suprised that he was punched in the stomach/chest for no apparent reason rather than hurt. He seems to have called the ref's attention to Dawson afterwards.
And Gholstin didn't punch Lewan either!
Tom hates it when you mess up his name
According to my Sparty sources, it is not a punch. MSU has access to other angles of video. According to them, Dawson actually is beating his own chest.
It is from Sparties, I know. But it makes sense.
IF it was a punch, wouldn't Carroll actually react to it? Like, be hurt, or at least flinch, etc. Also, there was no foul call. A punch is a guaranteed foul. Even if the refs missed it, don't you think Carroll and Purdue's bench would be freaking out over the missed call?
I know this video looks incriminating, but I actually will give them the benefit of the doubt this time.
It could be him beating his chest, but Carroll does throw his arm up in a flinching motion, and points to Dawsen as he looks to the official at his right
Well from the video, it appears that he does flinch and attempt to block it. Also, look at the top of his left shoulder. It looks to me as though the sudden movement is the result of an impact. He also looks over to the ref afterwards and points. Nevertheless, if MSU has other video, I'll trust them I guess.
It definitely appears that his body moves abruptly, suggesting impact from an external force (Dawson's fist).
There isn't time for Carroll to react. It cuts it off like 1 sec after the punch. It looks like he is looking at the ref about to say "what the hell?", but the video stops. I'm not saying it was definitely a punch, but it looked like one, and from that video its hard to tell what Carroll's reaction was at all.
to me is key. I doubt a player is going to look at the ref and point at the opposing player if the opposing player is beating his chest. The video cuts off right when Carroll is looking at the ref. It'd be nice if the video was a few seconds longer.
Dawson probably punches like a little girl thus explaining Carroll's minimal reaction.
Even if he punched his own chest .. he threw the punch at Carroll, but his lack of boxing/mma training caused his fist to go awry, thus landing on himself. But the intent to punch Carroll was there ... I promise you ... the intent was there!
Keep in mind, post players get hit a lot while they're fighting for position (they catch a lot of stray elbows and such), so it wouldn't be a total shock to Carroll's system to get hit in the midsection. That's probably why you don't see much of a reaction.
I doubt Dawson was beating his chest. It definitely doesn't look like that in the slo-mo view. Maybe he was punching the air in celebration, but his little faceoff with Carroll at the end suggests otherwise.
The funny part is this: let's say the Sparty party line is true and he's just thumping his chest. He's doing it over a play he had no part in whatsoever and then goes to talk shit about a play he didn't make. Either way we're not talking about an abundance of class here.
Yeah, I remember all your posts here when Stauskas was yelling smack at the WVU bench. Oh, that's right, he's a Michigan player, so it didn't mean anything then, did it? Hypocrite much? So the best you can do after the bogus accusation is now that Dawson is classless for celebrating a bucket by a teammate? Really?
Again, don't call OSU or MSU and their teams and fans classless if 90% of you here are just as bad, if not worse.
It looks like a punch at first, but I can see it as him beating his own chest too after taking another look. Other angles of the replay should be able to tell one way or the other. Doesn't help their case that they stared him down right after doing it, though.
He turns his hole body behind the swing, extends his elbow fully straight, not in a circle motion like a chest beat, then turns in the Purdue player's face, who looks shocked and points at him looking at the ref.
Video can lie, but until they produce more video this is all we have to go on.
I hear MSU's looking for a new SDE for next year. I think Dawson has the correct technique to be just as successful as his predecesor.
Definitely a punch- kinda pathetic sparty.
Definitely a punch? Care to come back and admit you were 100% wrong? Seriously, what part of it always being a good idea of looking at different camera angles before making a judgment didn't make it to this blog?
I'll help you out; it definitely was NOT a punch and you definitely should be more careful in assuming things. Oh, that's right, it was by a State player, so it's then always okay for any type of accusation, correct? And I'm sure you're not a hypocrite and always criticize pathetic behavior. So I'm sure you immediately came here after the WVU game when Stauskas was talking smack to the WVU bench and got a T.
What's that, you didn't even comment on that? Oh, you're a Michigan fan alright, just the worst kind. Arrogant, clueless and beyond subjective. Luckily, not all Michigan fans are like you.
I can see you're obviously passionate about this situation and thread, but there's no reason to make it personal with other posters. Criticize the posts all you want, criticize the posting habits of MaizeAndBlueWahoo or Eve_of_TheRivalry and whoever else you've replied to, but leave the name calling elsewhere.
He's obviously an MSU troll pretending to be a Michigan fan. It's not like he's seen any other "angles". And the Big Ten not enforcing something means nothing. It's the same League that suspended Gholston for a punch but did nothing for the neck twist.
He throws a power shot at the Purdue kid. How can they expect anyone to not see this in replay?
punch the player or the ball?
I saw the video earlier, but at actual speed didn't think it looked like anything. With it slowed down, it sure looks like a punch.
The Purdue player clearly chest bumped his fist in the same manner Lewan throat bumped Gholston's fist a year ago. Judging by Their statement and Gholstons punishment last year he will probably be forced to go to the lockerroom at halftime of his next game.
Did anything ever happen after Justice Hayes took a swing at that Ohio player as he was running on the field. We never talked much about that...
Misdemeanor State University
But the other guy pushed him in the back first, so it's ok.
Right in the jejunum too, ouch
Carroll didn't throw up, so we know he wasn't punched in the jejunum.
Sparty logic means that it's only ok to punch someone when they grab your facemask.
I don't know about you, but I've never found orcs to be trustworthy.
I gave you an up vote not because I agree with you. But because I disagree with the practice of down voting differing opinions.
Edit- I appreciate the irony of getting a trolling vote for this comment.
Classic Sparty. No composure.
that Dawson didn't punch Carroll has a future in an NFL replay booth.
Excellent response. Kudos.
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Boys will be boys. A little roughhousing but nothing too terribly bad.
Recall: RR didn't suspend Jonas Mouton for punch of ND player
Probably a one game suspension for Dawson.
well that's RR for you.
It makes sense now why its not BoandHokeandRR fan now
And yet the Big Ten suspended Moutan, showing RR was in the wrong. Will be interesting to see if MSU coughs up their video for the B1G
It looks a helluva lot like a punch. It also looks like Carroll has absolutely no reaction consistent with getting punched in the abdomen, which doesn't seem to make sense. If you watch it enough times it kinda looks like he pulls it at the last second tho. I dunno, I'm gonna go out on a limb and if any additional footage comes out, I'm saying " no punch".
It's still a punch even if it's a bad punch. Dantonio (I respect Izzo) would tell him next time don't miss.
I think the punch landed on his chest, which would explain the lack of notable physical reaction.
is the only way you can see that as not a punch. He clearly takes a swing which isn't totally conclusive but then Dawsen is doing a "tough guy stance" have his arms flexed/clenched right after and he's staring down the Purdue guy while the Purdue guy is looking back surprisingly. I'd like to hear Hollis actually explain that to me
Sure looks like a punch, but I'm not sure the "tough guy stance" proves it. That would also be consistent with pounding your own chest or otherwise trying to intimidate your opponent without being proceded by a punch.
The spokeman for MSU said, "The angle of Branden Dawson that BTN had during the broadcast certainly makes it look like there might have been a punch. However, I’ve viewed an angle from underneath the basket and that does not appear to be the case.” I found that to be an interesting choice of words. If the other angle MSU has clearly showed that he did not throw a punch, wouldn't the MSU statement be more definitively that no punch was thrown?
I shot a jumper from the the foul line and got fouled. The ball bounced on the rim a couple of times and finally bounced out. In frustration, I turned around and threw my fist in an uppercut motion. I didn't realize that a kid from the other team was right there. I hit him in the stomach. Everybody laughed. I went 1-2 on my foul shots.
In that game, I also broke my schools record for rebounds off of one's own missed shots, 6 in a row. I shot, missed, rebounded my shot six straight times. I finally missed the seventh. That was my last year playing basketball.
K? Thanks for that?
Hilarious man, i also hold similar records for my sub-par high school teams
The crowd seemed to love it, as do our brethren to the north on their board.
At best he nearly threw a punch that caused the Purdue player to expect a shot, which probably should be treated with some discipline. I'm not sure if he connected, but based on how they've been policing games that should be called. But obviously, not the biggest deal in the world. Kids get in fights on the court all the time, and maybe it was growing up watching the Bad Boys, but I'm fine with some aggression being shown on the court.
And I got slapped! *slaps self*
I've never seen a full wind-up for a chest pound.
He Really Shouldn't have called William Gholston last night....
it's hard to imagine it isn't, hard to imagine MSU denying it. Be interesting to see how it plays out. Poor sportsmanship has, over time, become synonymous with the MSU name.
We are going to look like fools when they show a better angle. Especially since a Purdue player elbowed Trice and we aren't discussing that. At least we can be happy about Narduzzi leaving.
to register and post.
I'm guessing you only plan a post or two. And don't call me you people, I'm very clearly a donkey.
How many MSU threads have been on this board over the past month? 2? 3? Seems to me that a guy posting about an inferiority complex on a rivals message board might want to look in the mirror. I get it, you're pissed about your school's pathetic athletic performance, but let's try not to be a whiny bitch about it, ok?
Btw, people care about it because it's disgusting behavior and doesn't belong in sports, not because it's MSU (although frequently, the two do go hand in hand).
The better measure is the "new" or "recent" tabs, which track the most recently created and most recently commented on (respectively) threads. I see two, plus one where MSU is mentioned (the Army AA thread) in passing.
He's right guys. I mean a thread about a Michigan State Bowl Game? It's not like we do that for every bowl game that's played. We MUST be obsessed.
The thread about Narduzzi really seals it though. I mean, it's not like we also posted about Soup Campbell at Iowa getting fired and Chris Beatty at Illinois too right? It's not that we just want to discuss a potential major coaching change that would have an arguably top 2 D Coordinator in the B1G leaving the B1G, right? No, it must be our inferiority complex.
Are we going to argue that we don't post way too much crap pertaining to MSU? Because we'll just be lying.
They get about the same amount of talk as OSU/ND as far as actual athletics go (edit: in fairness, maybe a little less), but then everyone also feels the need to post about how they don't care about State and nobody else cares about them either. Then, as icing on the cake, everyone wants to find the "Sparty nooo!!!1!!" moment that will get a ton of upvotes, so we get a whole bunch even though most aren't very funny or interesting.
The Arkansas State obsession the board is showing tonight.
I'm good as long as no one wears ugly jerseys.
Sorta like Wonders Hall: a lot of things "don't happen" and result in "case closed" at MSU.
We have like 3 threads a month on MSU where they have like 5 threads a day on us.
proven or debunked as a punch yet but dies the league look at this like they did in football eg Tom Gholston.
Dawson seems like a good kid. Too bad he chose a coach who wont develop him to his potential.
he was tucking his jersey in
time to let it die. We have two chances this year for fun Sparty threads. This is not one of them.
There will be more than two, if you include hockey also!