Brady Hoke: Whole staff will return next year
December 2nd, 2013 at 5:17 PM ^
what i posted from the other thread...
WIll someone point out to me all these daunting games eveyrone is so scared of? All over the interwebz is "OMGZ Meechigans 2014 schedule is brutal!". I see 8 games that should absolutely be wins...if they are not the whole season is a shit show and the whole staff will be fired...I just don't see that next year.
Then I see 4 toss ups. If we win 2 of the toss ups you got 10-2. Anything worse than 9-3 should be viewed a colossal failure. As far as those toss up games I feel pretty strongly UM should actually win 3 of those games.
App State....WIN
at Notre dame....Toss Up
Miami Ohio....WIN
Utah....Win
Minnesota....WIN
at Rutgers....WIN
Penn State....Toss up
BYE
at MSU....Toss up
Indiana....Win
at NW....Win
BYE
Maryland....Win
at ohio....Toss up
December 2nd, 2013 at 5:24 PM ^
Thing is, we thought the same thing about this season's schedule with Ohio, Nebraska, and ND at home, and 10 wins seemed to be the consensus on the blog... I don't see anything changing from this season if personnel changes aren't made.
December 2nd, 2013 at 5:31 PM ^
So knowing that I would say that 9-3 would be good next year. Not satisfied with it but Think it's closer to the truth than my dreams.
December 2nd, 2013 at 5:55 PM ^
In three years, we don't have a single road win during the regular season against a team that's finished the regular season with a winning record. Our regular season road victories are only against teams with losing records, or teams that have gone 6-6.
To put it another way, every regular season game played at a team that's had a winning regular season record has been a loss under Hoke.
That's mediocrity with a giant, blinking capital M.
Yet you think that road games against MSU, OSU and ND will be "toss-ups."
December 2nd, 2013 at 6:00 PM ^
Utah beat Stanford (at home but still)
Minn we outplayed this year and in retrospect was probably our best win. Kill is doing well and they competed with MSU at MSU better than we did. Granted MSU's world does not revolve around destroying Minnestota but their lines outplayed MSU. They had turnovers and MSU's defense was stifling. If that was MSU's 2011 defense instead of 2013 Minn could have beaten them. I think we caught Minn at a good time and they seem to be doing something good there. Its not a guaranteed win.
Hackenberg will be a sophomore and the biggest jump is usually btw 1st year and 2nd year starting for a QB. PSU went on the road and beat a superior Wisconsin team.
Cmom man we almost lost to Akron at home and you have all these guaranteed wins?
I cannot even pencil in @ Rutgers anymore. Or Maryland at home. Have you watched this season? Are we watching different teams?
December 2nd, 2013 at 6:55 PM ^
First we played a terrible game VS. PSU an absolutely horrible game, missed field goals, blocked field goals, gave up 2 hail mary's, ran the ball 28 times for 28 yards and still lost in quadruple overtime on the road.
As for are we watching the same team lol you tell me. We scored 40+ points in 6 of our games this year and damn there scored 60 in 2 of them. We wheren't always terrible on offense, we where inconsistant. You could watch Michigan football every week and see a completely different team every week. One week the offense might be good and the defense played like crap and then the offense was terrible and the defense played great. Excuse me if I would rather be optimistic about what we have coming back instead of crying that the sky is falling.
December 2nd, 2013 at 5:03 PM ^
Sure it could go south but I think the chances are better with this group than a new one.
December 2nd, 2013 at 8:03 PM ^
December 2nd, 2013 at 11:01 PM ^
"I'd be more than happy to make a wager with any of the anti-Borges crowd: I'll bet every last point of mine against yours (point for point) that Michigan is at least 9-3 next year, at least 10-2 in 2015, and consistently at that level or better from that point forward."
Steven R.......I'll call. 8-5 or worse with no B1G Championship, no BCS game and another year of frustrating and inexplicable play calls from Borges.
Consider me and you "all in" on this one.
December 2nd, 2013 at 4:53 PM ^
I don't see it happening.
December 2nd, 2013 at 4:57 PM ^
If this is what 8th place in the Big 10 gets you what would have 5th place got everyone? The Charlie Weiss 10 year extension?
December 2nd, 2013 at 5:01 PM ^
Damnit, I was worried this would happen....
December 2nd, 2013 at 5:15 PM ^
December 2nd, 2013 at 5:18 PM ^
December 2nd, 2013 at 5:21 PM ^
27 for 27... Two games with negative rushing yards... 3.2 team yds per carry (down from 4 last season)... Most negative plays in the nation this season...More rolling over and dying on the road on offense... Guys, you have been blinded by the offensive explosion that was present Saturday. I am pissed beyond belief because a near win against Ohio should NOT cover up the crap performances on offense this season. Teams like Wisconsin and Stanford are absolutely dominant up front with two and three stars, yet we can't do it with two All Big Ten tackles and four and five star guards. I'm only satisfied with five of our twelve offensive performances this season, and that should be the same with you guys.... Whether it's playcalling or execution, Al Borges and Funk are the reasons for the offensive struggles.
Borges and Funk have had three years now to develop their own players, and look how developed they are... Denard never showed any sign of development as a passer, Fitz looks to be regressing, and receivers like Chesson still look terribly raw. Don't forget the lack of development on the line.
If they aren't able to make significant improvements in pretty much every offensive aspect this off season, be prepared for an 8-4 season with road losses to OSU, MSU, and ND along with another silly loss like Penn State... Borges hasn't proved that he can work with the talent he is given. He doesn't realize that he isn't always going to have the desired personnel to work with on offense either.
Beyond disappointed.
December 2nd, 2013 at 5:23 PM ^
he didn't let it linger.
December 2nd, 2013 at 5:23 PM ^
December 2nd, 2013 at 5:27 PM ^
Mark Snyder gonna Mark Snyder
The Detroit News is reporting a less definite story:
“I anticipate the staff (returning),” Hoke said.
When asked if he did not expect changes with his staff, he replied simply.
“Correct,” Hoke said.
But Hoke, like most coaches, evaluates the entire team, players and coaches, at the end of every season. Last week, Michigan athletic director Dave Brandon told The News he would sit down with Hoke, as he does with every head coach at Michigan, and evaluate the personnel and staff.
December 2nd, 2013 at 5:29 PM ^
27 for 27.........
-48 yards rushing........
-21 yards rushing........
2nd half no points against Iowa............
Moral victory against Ohio.......
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Al Borges Profit?
December 2nd, 2013 at 5:30 PM ^
You guys realize that Hoke has yet to win in a true road environment that holds more than 50,000 people... I see three guaranteed losses on the schedule for next season. We thought this schedule was beyond manageable and look what happened. What happens when we lose our first 1000 yard receiver in years, Fitz, and Dileo (and don't try to undervalue Dileo because without him, we don't beat State last season, and we aren't anywhere near beating Ohio last weekend).
December 2nd, 2013 at 5:53 PM ^
IMO Brandon has guaranteed Hoke to 2015. Otherwise this move makes no sense. The 2014 is tough with @ MSU @OSU and @ ND. A potential loss at home to Utah awaits (they beat Stanford this year) and a 2-2 start headed to Big 10 play could spell disaster. This OL will have 2 new underclassmen starters next year, and potentially 3 if you think Kugler gets in. That is not a recipe to beat ND on the road, and it opens up a lot more issues no matter what the skill position guys do.
Another 7-5 season in 2014 (not saying that is what is going to happen but with 3 almost guaranteed losses on the road it seems probable) sends Borges finally packing next year I guess and then UM has all his OL with experience with the RBs experienced and a host of WRs, with Shane starting and I guess that is the selling point with a very favorable 2015 schedule. 2014 UM will need to improve just to stay at the same record they have this year IMO.
December 2nd, 2013 at 6:58 PM ^
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December 2nd, 2013 at 8:09 PM ^
December 2nd, 2013 at 8:14 PM ^
Also, MSU went 6-6 last year and 11-1 this year. Previous season doesn't dictate the following season's results.
December 2nd, 2013 at 9:11 PM ^
December 2nd, 2013 at 6:43 PM ^
December 2nd, 2013 at 10:47 PM ^
No, the team was correctly estimated. The schedule was actually as bad or worse than predicted (Northwestern, Notre Dame and Nebraska were worse than expected, Iowa was probably better). The real problem was the lack of ability the coaching staff showed in preparing their team (especially the offense) for each game.
At worst, Michigan should have been 9-3 this year. Potentially, the should have been 11-1. In reality they finished 7-5 and that feels lucky.
But yes, please, keep on believing that coaches at Michigan under Brady Hoke have no ability to negatively affect the team.
December 2nd, 2013 at 11:01 PM ^
So that is the case.
Forget the fact that the OL was very clearly overestimated. The youth on DL led to that unit being overestimated. The worry at safety seemed very real. The inexperience at TE led to that group being overestimated. The idea that DG was a super-God lead to him being overestimated (particularly after he was very clearly hurt). So I can see how he came to the conclusion that Michigan was correctly estimated.
Northwestern had a lot of very close loses and some injuries, but was overestimated. Same with Nebraska and Notre Dame. But MSU, Minnesota, and Iowa were very clearly underestimated. OSU was underestimated by much of the people around here. Akron and CMU both ended up being pretty average lower teir teams, not bottom feeders. UConn, was still bad. Indiana was better than expected, and PSU didn't suffer nearly as much as people thought (even beating Wisconsin pretty handily). So I also can see how he so clearly came to the conclusion that the schedule was worse.
But again, at worst they should have been 9-3. And you've clearly stated that the coaches have no responsibility for the teams lack of success. Because you think youth is a valid excuse and you believe in the direction of the program and what the coaches are trying to do, you clearly, despite the fact you played at Michigan, have no concept of how football works.
December 3rd, 2013 at 1:54 AM ^
December 2nd, 2013 at 5:53 PM ^
...oh goodie.
Now if the downward trend continues and we go 6-6 or worse, then bigger heads will roll than just Borges!
I spoke with a buddy (former player under Bo) who spoke with Brandon unofficially and my buddy said Brandon is concerned about leaving the football program in better shape than he found it (it's part of his legacy, too).
I don't think Brandon is about to stomach another two years of mediocrity under Hoke. The public face is one of support (in part to stabilize recruiting), but I think Hoke's on a short leash.
December 2nd, 2013 at 6:09 PM ^
December 2nd, 2013 at 6:13 PM ^
I agree. Hoke is Brandon's man and they are joined at the hip. For Brandon to say Hoke has failed would be admitting he has failed so this is the train we are going to be riding for a few years. Only 1 blowout this year at MSU so this is good enough. Hoke can sell the dream of "get me to 2015 and I'll show you what Michigan is all about". We are in a holding period until then.
December 2nd, 2013 at 6:58 PM ^
so when does the fire Brandon threads start?
December 3rd, 2013 at 1:56 AM ^
December 2nd, 2013 at 11:06 PM ^
You ARE an old player. No fair!
December 2nd, 2013 at 5:51 PM ^
December 2nd, 2013 at 5:58 PM ^
December 2nd, 2013 at 5:58 PM ^
Not concerned. I doubt any OC could acheive any consistancy with M's OL this year. The talent is there. It will develop. If not, restart after 2015.
December 2nd, 2013 at 6:05 PM ^
December 2nd, 2013 at 7:12 PM ^
And I thought a potential Ohio NC game, and a MSU rose bowl game was the worst shit ever.......... Will the madness ever stop!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
December 2nd, 2013 at 6:06 PM ^
December 2nd, 2013 at 8:01 PM ^
100% agree. It would have to be a pretty awful season in 2014 for Hoke to truly get onto Brandon's shit list. We'd have to go 2-10 for him to get fired, as as big a pessimist as I am, that's not happening unless every upper classman blows out his ACL.
I'm not convinced this staff on the whole is as good as it should be, but there is something to be said for staff consistency.
I just hope for Brady's sake that hitching his wagon to Borges won't turn out as badly as RR hitching his to Greg Robinson and his stuffed beaver.
December 3rd, 2013 at 2:01 AM ^
December 2nd, 2013 at 6:16 PM ^
I'm not raging over this, because it just figures that something like this would happen. Now, next year, we can go back to "practicing in games" and lose 2-3 games we should win, in addition three very probable road losses against the teams who are prepared to do what it takes to win *every* game, not just a rivalry game.
It's just sad that it's ten months away from kickoff for 2014, and I have no enthusiasm for this team. I feel a rant coming on, so I'll just stop now. My attitude toward Michigan football isn't close to how I've felt about Lions football over my lifetime, but it's inching closer.
One of the worst OCs in our history gets a vote of confidence. I am Jack's complete lack of surprise.
December 2nd, 2013 at 6:18 PM ^
has tweeted the following:
Did some digging re Hoke's comments on staff's future...
— Sam Webb (@SamWebb77) December 2, 2013
I hear staff’s future won't be set until evals are done. Status quo is “anticipated”, but not definite.
— Sam Webb (@SamWebb77) December 2, 2013
December 2nd, 2013 at 6:22 PM ^
December 2nd, 2013 at 6:57 PM ^
December 2nd, 2013 at 7:21 PM ^
I'm neutral on this.
Hoke has the right to pick the best staff that he thinks will be successful long term. I see where he could think that the OL was going to be terrible no matter who was the coach and hamstrung Borges all year. I also can see where he has a pretty bad track record of developing talent and laid many stinkers in the last 3 years.
If Hoke decides to keep sailing this direction, the clock starts ticking quick. Struggle through next season, and theres gonna be alot of disent in the lack of changes and it wouldn't be a guarantee he gets another year.
December 2nd, 2013 at 7:21 PM ^
The Borges card will not be used unless we have another 4 or 5 loss season next year. I suppose the manball mandate has come from Hoke. May be this season will show Hoke you just cannot win running a manball offense in this erra of college football. Borges is more of a west coast offense OC and I don't think running a pro set I formation is his idea offense.
I'm hoping the ND, Indiana and OSU games are more the style of offense Borges likes to run. Hoke likes the IA, NE and NW. My guess is Borges will get his way to score points and not rely on ball control next season.
Actually I'm a bit optimistic, especially if Borges can call a good offense in the bowl game.
Only time will tell and if Brady pushes the offense towards manball and it does not work, he can always let Broges go at the end of '14 and still have one more year to prove himself.