And it'll continue to, somehow, not be the (current) coaching staff's fault.
fair point that
And it'll continue to, somehow, not be the (current) coaching staff's fault.
Without making any evaluative statements about the staff, I don't know if anyone here could be wholly shocked at this development, but perhaps I am wrong in this. It obviously does not thrill some people, but at no point was it out of the realm of possibility that zero changes would be made.
As for me personally, I wasn't completely enthralled with the performance of the offense this year like many, but I understand - from a continuity standpoint - why they might take this direction and give the staff another year with these same players (plus 2014, assuming there are some early contributors) and this year of experience, good and not so good. They've had a down sort of year, the first year where they were free to go "full Borges", if you will, and I don't mind seeing what the second year of "full Borges" looks like.
If 2014 has similar stumbles, yeah, there would be some pretty pressing questions for this staff, but my theory - which may be totally insane as the rest of my theories are - is that you just saw 2011 if we had never had Dilithium, or some apporximation of that scenario.
A double Mod post?
These are trying times indeed.
The great thing about the mod powers is that I can delete my own double posts.
*waves wand, which is really a martini mixer*
Let's see how we do in our bowl game first, before we get all doom and gloom for next season. We have another month of practices to see if Ohio was a fluke or a turning point.
We're not playing a January 1st or later bowl game, sorry!
Doesn't matter when you play, you get the same number of practices.
Same amount of extra practice time regardless.
And we're probably going to the Gator Bowl, which is on New Year's Day.
Really. You have no idea.
Well now I'm on the fire Brady Hoke wagon. He can't make critical decisions apparently when it comes to his staff.
Is deciding to retain all coaches not a decision? Do words have meaning anymore on here?
1. This shouldn't surprise anyone. Al Borges was not making an excuse when he said this was the first year they werei nstalling the offense they wanted to run. A lot of the calls he made were the right calls. Guys were open down field. Gardner missed them. Probably because he had a guy in his face in 2 seconds.
2. Hoke and Brandon haven't done their evaluations of the program yet. That won't happen until after the bowl game. This isn't set in stone.
I think that "first year" thing is a bullshit excuse. This might be the first year he's running entirely "his" offense, but the concepts were there from day one. In no way should we treat years 1 and 2 as year's -2 and -1 respectively.
I hope your second point is correct and this is merely Hoke playing coy with the media.
Honesly, I think our problem is that we're in the middle between RR and Hoke. We have a few upperclassmen that were recruited by RR and a bunch of younger guys recruited by Hoke like Green and Funchess. There's no middle ground because the 2011/2010 classes were decimated by transfers and the coaching change.
FYI, you should update your signature - we have 910 wins.
Borges will do fine as long as he is allowed to call the kind of plays he called against Ohio. I hope the MANBALL mandate gets flushed down the crapper and we see more of the wide-open style that Borges is capable of calling.
Do you really want to fire Borges after the bowl game though?
So who does Michigan hire for head coach after next season?
You are probably right. I tend to forget that being mediocre is a way of life for the Michigan football program.
Yep. We all love it. Take it or (hopefully?) leave it.
47 and 50. Lloyd mediocrity revisited. The big ten coaches breathe sigh of relief
Great News! Of course, I consistently expected this, from everything I've heard from both Hoke and Brandon. From my perspective, this is far more than mere "loyalty" or going back to DeBord. This is football minds assessing the situation, and seeing that the offensive line was too young and inexperienced, and that they needed the year of seasoning.
I find it interesting that Brian noted Funk's intelligence in coaching seminars. I also believe that Borges is very creative, and with a full team, they will do very well.
At the very least, terminating Borges or Funk prior to the 2014 season would be premature. By next season, Borges & Funk (& Hoke, & Mattison) will be able to be fairly assessed, for good or for bad.
What has not often been noted is how very close the entire coaching staff is with each other. The chemistry and cameraderie among coaches and wives permeates the entire program, and adds to the "family" atmosphere so many recruits and players have noted. To remove Borges and Funk would severely disrupt this strong atmosphere, to the detriment of the team.
I also debated whether or not to post my epinion, because the group think around here seems so strongly aligned against Borges. What tipped the scales is not being contrarian. Rather, from my perspective, this is 100% the right decision. And I am willing to go on record with that, even though it seems to make the majority of mgousers very unhappy.
I'd be more than happy to make a wager with any of the anti-Borges crowd: I'll bet every last point of mine against yours (point for point) that Michigan is at least 9-3 next year, at least 10-2 in 2015, and consistently at that level or better from that point forward. In fact, I'm confident enough in my prediction that I'd be willing to go negative, towards Bolivia, if we had less than 9 wins next year. I'm very happy for the future, and thrilled that Borges and Funk (et al) are staying on board.
I'm not quite as "yay borges" as you but in general I'm with you. This program has been having too damn much coaching changes the last 6 years...
I really think stability will go a long way and I sort of like the excitment of next year being "the real deal". It won't be win a NC or it's a failure but they better be in the division hunt and have a 9-3 season minimum.
I, for one, actually think that will happen. I see this team going 9-3 at worst....11-1 at best but I'd be surprised if they only dropped 1 game. if I had to bet a cool G to guess the exact number of wins I'd go 10-2.
* If you don't like Borges it is because you are part of group think.
*Borges is a god of some type, regardless of what the actual evidence shows.
*This person holds up 9-3 as a successful season next year. You know becuase three losses in year four is acceptable at Michigan, even with a ridiculously easy schedule next year.
lol the entire board is pissing about boohoo the schedule is so hard next year. Me and I guess now you are the only ones saying it isn't that bad.
Every year maybe 1-2 teams go undefeated in EQ conferences. Don't like like "yeah guyz year four we better be undefeated" like UM is some powerhouse that goes undefeated all the time....they are not...they haven't been that good in what 17 years so why are we all shocked that people think 10-2 or even 9-3 is pretty damn good for this program? Based on the last 10 years 9-3 is damn good. I wish that wasn't reality but it is. UM is a team that wins double digit games once every 3-5 and goes undefeasted every 15ish years or so.
More to the point, Alabama has won 2 NC despite losing a game. Demanding an undefeated season is nonsense.
They're also just a few years distant from a 30-losses-in-5-years stretch.
No program, no matter how dominant, goes 10-2 or better every year. Nobody. 9-3 happens. 7-5 happens too sometimes.
for your 9-3 you realize they have road games @ ND, @ OSU and @ MSU right? Hoke's biggest win this year on the road was a miracle FG @ NW and crushing UConn....
what i posted from the other thread...
WIll someone point out to me all these daunting games eveyrone is so scared of? All over the interwebz is "OMGZ Meechigans 2014 schedule is brutal!". I see 8 games that should absolutely be wins...if they are not the whole season is a shit show and the whole staff will be fired...I just don't see that next year.
Then I see 4 toss ups. If we win 2 of the toss ups you got 10-2. Anything worse than 9-3 should be viewed a colossal failure. As far as those toss up games I feel pretty strongly UM should actually win 3 of those games.
at Notre dame....Toss Up
Penn State....Toss up
at MSU....Toss up
at ohio....Toss up
Thing is, we thought the same thing about this season's schedule with Ohio, Nebraska, and ND at home, and 10 wins seemed to be the consensus on the blog... I don't see anything changing from this season if personnel changes aren't made.
But it's the same mentality I had this year. ND was the only toss up we won and then we lost a couple I thought we would get that I didn't even have as tossups.
So knowing that I would say that 9-3 would be good next year. Not satisfied with it but Think it's closer to the truth than my dreams.
In three years, we don't have a single road win during the regular season against a team that's finished the regular season with a winning record. Our regular season road victories are only against teams with losing records, or teams that have gone 6-6.
To put it another way, every regular season game played at a team that's had a winning regular season record has been a loss under Hoke.
That's mediocrity with a giant, blinking capital M.
Yet you think that road games against MSU, OSU and ND will be "toss-ups."
Utah beat Stanford (at home but still)
Minn we outplayed this year and in retrospect was probably our best win. Kill is doing well and they competed with MSU at MSU better than we did. Granted MSU's world does not revolve around destroying Minnestota but their lines outplayed MSU. They had turnovers and MSU's defense was stifling. If that was MSU's 2011 defense instead of 2013 Minn could have beaten them. I think we caught Minn at a good time and they seem to be doing something good there. Its not a guaranteed win.
Hackenberg will be a sophomore and the biggest jump is usually btw 1st year and 2nd year starting for a QB. PSU went on the road and beat a superior Wisconsin team.
Cmom man we almost lost to Akron at home and you have all these guaranteed wins?
I cannot even pencil in @ Rutgers anymore. Or Maryland at home. Have you watched this season? Are we watching different teams?
First we played a terrible game VS. PSU an absolutely horrible game, missed field goals, blocked field goals, gave up 2 hail mary's, ran the ball 28 times for 28 yards and still lost in quadruple overtime on the road.
As for are we watching the same team lol you tell me. We scored 40+ points in 6 of our games this year and damn there scored 60 in 2 of them. We wheren't always terrible on offense, we where inconsistant. You could watch Michigan football every week and see a completely different team every week. One week the offense might be good and the defense played like crap and then the offense was terrible and the defense played great. Excuse me if I would rather be optimistic about what we have coming back instead of crying that the sky is falling.
What you just said was perfect. It's not the popular opinion but I think the right one. Next years schedule is tough and breaking in a new OC when I'm not sure there is a better one available right now is scary.
Sure it could go south but I think the chances are better with this group than a new one.
All I ask is that if you lose, that you change your Aniston avatar.
"I'd be more than happy to make a wager with any of the anti-Borges crowd: I'll bet every last point of mine against yours (point for point) that Michigan is at least 9-3 next year, at least 10-2 in 2015, and consistently at that level or better from that point forward."
Steven R.......I'll call. 8-5 or worse with no B1G Championship, no BCS game and another year of frustrating and inexplicable play calls from Borges.
Consider me and you "all in" on this one.
I don't see it happening.
If this is what 8th place in the Big 10 gets you what would have 5th place got everyone? The Charlie Weiss 10 year extension?
Damnit, I was worried this would happen....
Well at least we know almost certainly that if Borges has one more bad year of play calling, he will be replaced after the 2014 season.
I hope this doesn't happen. I can't take another year of ineptitude. Well ... I could but I don't want to.