MonkeyMan

December 2nd, 2013 at 6:08 PM ^

I like this announcement because I think it might be hard to find a good replacement OC. Borges has only two years of his recruits and not even his own style of QB. Should he be doing more with what he has? Definitely. Would many quality OC's walk into a situation where they could be fired in 2 years with other guys recruits? No. New coaches have to relocate families, sell houses, work long hours, cut recruiting ties, etc. - its big hassle to move. Why would you do that every 2 years? Also, how good will the offense be next year learning another new system? This is the best way to go and then, if things don't work out, make a decision on the entire package- Hoke and his crew- as one unit. Clear the weeds and replant.

jmblue

December 2nd, 2013 at 6:38 PM ^

You can "demand excellence" all you want - but in the real world, you can't always snap your fingers and land the perfect OC.  In fact, I'd bet that the new OC would end up being an underwhelming hire like Loeffler.  The real superstar coordinators are looking for head coaching jobs, not another OC position.

I'm not married to keeping Borges around, but I recognize that there is a nonzero chance that Borges's replacement would end up not being an improvement over him.  It's not unthinkable that, with improved OL play, we have a considerably improved offense next year, without having to resort to the gimmick-of-the-week like the tackle over.  

The other thing to consider is the unknown issue of how much influence Hoke actually has over the offensive gameplan.  We do not really know how much freedom the OC has.

bighouse22

December 2nd, 2013 at 11:30 PM ^

If Borges can figure out how to handle a blitzing team and can roll out an offense like the ND, Indiana and OSU games week in and week out, then I think we would all be happy with him staying.  Offenses have their ups and downs, but having another string of games like MSU, Nebraska, Iowa, etc. should not be considered acceptable next year.   

Let's see if Borges has figured out what will work with his personnel.  

ST3

December 2nd, 2013 at 3:32 PM ^

I don't think sticking Devin with a new coordinator in year 5 is a good idea. Let's look at his history:

Year 1: QB under Rich Rod and Magee

Year 2: first year under Borges, doesn't look ready for prime-time in his few apperances

Year 3: starts season as WR, transitions back to QB late

Year 4: first full season as starting QB

And people want to stick him with a new OC/QB coach next year? If it doesn't work next year, then you bring in a new OC and let him work with Shane or whoever during the spring and fall.

MI Expat NY

December 2nd, 2013 at 3:51 PM ^

I, for one, think the program is bigger than the development of a single player.  Besides, college football is littered with QBs who have excelled under a new offensive coordinator.  Cam Newton, Russell Wilson, Zack Mettenberger and tons others have either excelled in their first year in a program or improved greatly under the tutelage of a new coach.  

I'll turn the question around on you.  Everyone keeps pointing to 2015 as the year for this program.  Why would we want a new QB with a new OC for that make or break year?

I Like Burgers

December 2nd, 2013 at 4:11 PM ^

You don't pass up an opportunity to change staff simply because you have a fifth year senior who would be getting his third OC/QB coach.  You do it because you think its best for the long term success of the program.

And its not like Hoke needs to switch from manball to spread.  Just find an OC that does the things you'd like Borges to do, but does them better.

westwardwolverine

December 2nd, 2013 at 3:05 PM ^

This. So much. 

Michigan blew a golden opportunity this season. At 2-0, they had already won one of their most difficult games and should have finished up at least 10-2. Instead, they went 5-5, nearly lost 3 more (though, to be fair, almost beat OSU) and missed an opportunity to solidify Hoke's job going into a difficult 2014. 

Guess what? Next year we're going to be young on offense too. Our entire OL is going to be Freshmen to RS Sophomores (and possibly one JR in Glasgow). We lose our top two linemen, our biggest receiving threat and our most experienced RB. 

We have three difficult road games (ND, MSU, OSU) and I'm really not that confident in ANY road game Michigan plays with this staff. It hasn't been pretty over the past 3 years. 

If the offense struggles next year and the defense only makes a leap from above average/pretty good to good and Michigan ends up 7-5 with 1-3 records against MSU and OSU over the past 4 years....yeah, its not going to be pretty for for Hoke and Co. 

 

westwardwolverine

December 3rd, 2013 at 9:59 AM ^

Then comes the next question: Is a RS-SO 2/3 star player that 1/3 the teams in the country trot out really that superior to a RS-FR like Kalis or Magnuson? 

Gameboy

December 2nd, 2013 at 3:17 PM ^

This is insanity. With even younger offensive line and difficult road games, we are easily going to lose 4 to 5 games next year. Switching the OC now would have given Hoke a fighting chance. Now, one more season like this and he can kiss his dream job goodbye. I don't get why you would jeopardize yourself like this. I don't see how the next season is going to turnout any better than this season. I am at loss for words. These kids deserve better.

Gameboy

December 2nd, 2013 at 4:16 PM ^

Do you seriously believe that we will be favored in games at ND, MSU, and Ohio? Add a conference stinker game or two which we always have, and yes, we are going to lose 4 or 5 games next year.

I Like Burgers

December 2nd, 2013 at 4:25 PM ^

At the start of the season, how many games was this team going to be favored in?  Probably about 9.  But they only won 7.  At some point, you've got to use the recent past as a track record for projecting the future.

a2_electricboogaloo

December 2nd, 2013 at 2:59 PM ^

I love Al's offense when its clicking (as it was on saturday).  When everything works right it's nearly unstoppable.

The problem is the wild inconsistensy.  We go week to week from blowing up good teams (Ohio) to being blown up by bad teams (Nebraska's defense).  In the three years he's been here he's never really gained any sort of consistency, and it's honestly (in my non-profession opinion) gotten worse even as we have players closer to what he'd ideally have (instead of Denard at QB).

CLord

December 2nd, 2013 at 7:32 PM ^

Al Borges is the Tracy McGrady of college football.  Flashed brilliance throughout his career, but provided zero consistency and inexplicably vanished with far too much frequency.  The only thing consistent about Al Borges is that he is inconsistent.  Oh, and my signature.  Narduzzi completely and utterly owns Borges, and will do so again next year unless Borges actually shows some capacity to adapt, i.e., expect 40 screen passes.

SysMark

December 2nd, 2013 at 5:00 PM ^

I for one agree with you completely and appreciate your insight.  Even after the PSU game I was not ready to blame Borges.  When the interior of your O-Line continually craters there are not many options.  Against PSU we were even or ahead most of the game - with a chance to win running high risk plays (DG was still extremely turnover prone at that point) for appearances sake wasn't justified.

JMO and I know it's an incredibly unpopular one around here.

Space Coyote

December 2nd, 2013 at 3:16 PM ^

That outside of a few of the trick plays, the scheme and game plan was generally the same for OSU as it was for every game post-MSU. I think the OL executed better and that resulted in the ability to open up the playbook more. You can get to that stuff when you get the first 1st down, when you can get to 2nd and medium, and when you do run a trick play that doesn't work, you know you can get to 3rd and manageable on 2nd down.

Maybe there were som slight changes, but I do not believe it was much. I think the lack of execution (players and coaches, just to make that clear for as is needed) and in large part a snowball effect due to inconsistency and limitations doomed the offense much of the time the offense played poorly.

But that's my opinion and has been. Again, I understand why people beleive differently and don't want to debate it, but that's the POV I've taken from the start and I think explains why this offense was wildly inconsistent this year more than any other time in Borges's career. In my opinion, that's a much more logical way of thinking that actually believing he forgets how to call plays, he is too stubborn, he saved everything for one game, or he saved everything to save his job. But what people view as logical can often be different (I'm not saying other people aren't using their own logic, I'm saying people often have a different view of what is logical based on other views, opinions, and bias, myself included). 

pescadero

December 2nd, 2013 at 5:43 PM ^

"That outside of a few of the trick plays, the scheme and game plan was generally the same for OSU as it was for every game post-MSU."

 

I'm pretty sure the number of screen passes in the OSU game approaches the sum total of screen passes thrown for the rest of the season.

bighouse22

December 2nd, 2013 at 11:42 PM ^

I also believe that both Green and Smith contributed heavily to the success against OSU.  They typically would get positive yards when running on 1st and 2nd down and did a solid job blocking during pass downs.  Their development in the offense next year will go a long way towards the overall team success.

steelymax

December 2nd, 2013 at 4:13 PM ^

 

Without the extreme limitations and being forced to go to the "what is the defenses biggest weakness and can we do anything about it" prayer, this offense becomes much more diverse.

Are you suggesting that attacking a defense's weaknesses isn't a good offensive strategy? Not trying to start an argument, I just don't understand what this specific statement means.

Space Coyote

December 2nd, 2013 at 4:46 PM ^

I believe Borges did try to do things to take advantage of what those defense's weaknesses. The problem was things such as: MSU's weakness - deep passes; Nebraska - Between OT running; Northwestern - Short/Intermediate Outs; etc. But Michigan either couldn't execute to take advantage of those things and struggled to execute outside of those things, making the offense quite limited in what they could do.

That's what I was trying to convey. That it was more "let's try to take advantage of their weakness and pray that's enough because we can't do much out of that due to poor OL play"

BradP

December 2nd, 2013 at 7:23 PM ^

But your narrative for the season has gotten absurd beyond reason right now.

I don't know how you can still manage to pin the struggles primarily on the team not properly executing, and not on Al Borges preferring a style that the offense had serious problems executing.

Are you actually trying to tell us that the playcalling style we saw against Akron, Northwestern and Nebraska was due to the offense not being able to execute Al Borges' gameplan and him altering what he wanted to do, and that the shift to OSU is because the offense managed to execute against them and Borges started calling the game how he wanted?  You are telling me that the offense could manage to handle assignments against OSU that they couldn't against Akron or Penn State?

You gotta answer me:

Did the offense suddenly start "executing" and allow Borges to call the gameplan as he wanted, or did Al Borges shift his game plan in away that allowed the offense to start "executing"?

I think Borges and Hoke played exactly the type of football they wanted, "execution" problems be damned.  I think we will see much of the same next year, with a one game better record. 

Space Coyote

December 2nd, 2013 at 8:03 PM ^

A guy that has been coaching for nearly 30 years and has been an OC for about as long, suddenly forgot game-to-game how to call plays or create game plans; or that 18-23 year olds trying to execute something that is going to be hard no matter what is asked of them - many of the kids being significantly inexperienced compared to their counterparts - may perform inconsistently?

As for gameplans:

Northwestern - throw short/intermediate throws to the flat which take advantage of the void in cover 3 that doesn't rely on Gardner making underneath reads

Nebraska - Run on one of the worst run defenses in the country, utilize jet sweep to beat them to the edge, run mesh concepts and double moves to beat cover 1.

Akron - Michigan averaged 6.9 yards per play and had 4 turnovers. Akron averages 5.5 yards per play on defense, the average Michigan put up on them would put them at 117 in the nation. Think the game plan in general was not too shabby.

Borges shifted his game plan week-to-week to try to take advantage of defensive weaknesses (MSU he stacked formations and forced safeties to cover WRs 1 on 1, as another example; Iowa came out mostly in man coverage as opposed to their typical 2-high look, Borges adjusted the game plan and called plays designed to beat man coverage rather than 2-high coverage, though I'm sure you noticed).

So why do you think Borges was successful some games and not others? Was it because he is capable but decided not to some games? Was it because he forgot how to game plan and call plays some games and then remembered other times? Or was it because execution was inconsistent, and maybe when execution got consistent, a snowball effect occured? FWIW, as someone who has played and coached, it's much easier to be consistent at things like game planning and coaching than it is executing as a player. Add on that young players at a position that is often vital to any success on offense, yeah, I think that's fairly reasonable.

When you have a bad OL, the rest snowballs. When Michigan's OL played at a mediocre level, you saw it snowball the other direction. The run game opens up, alright. Now the PA opens up. Great, now the short passing game opens up. Awesome, now that a base is established the counters and constraints open up. This is working out well. So, yes, the offense did execute much better against OSU. And some execution here and there resulted in nearly 20 more plays being called then you saw in other games, and allowed Borges to go deeper into the playbook, and allowed Michigan to be successful at doing other things.

Certainly, the offense wasn't perfect and you'd like to see it have better results. But the fact that you can't see the adjustments Borges tried to make, both to take advantage of Michigan's strengths and to take advantage of opponents weaknesses, and to attempt to cover up some of Michigan's weaknesses, I'm sorry. There are things to complain about, sure, but Borges didn't go out there, forget what football was, and then suddenly remember for a few games during the season.

I'm not going any further into the debate. You can disagree with my POV, that's fine and I can respect that. But I'm not sure how my option is "absurd beyond reason". But alright.

BradP

December 2nd, 2013 at 11:33 PM ^

You aren't debating with me in good faith, anyways, and I'm sorry if it is because I was not very tactful in my response.

I never implied that Al Borges forgot how to gameplan or call plays.  I simply argued that he he was calling a scheme that didn't suit his personnel, was slow in making adjustments, but finally found success when he finally made some substantial shifts in strategy.

The timeline is pretty clear.  He spends fall camp and non-conference trying to iron it out, but by B1G play its obviously not working.  He makes some minor adjustments that work against Minnesota, but Penn St. and particularly Michigan St. showed some major exploits, notably by loading the box and sending linebackers hard against the play action.  Nebraska is the nadir.  Against NW he unloads the box by attacking the flats and going wild with the fake bubble screen.  Against Ohio State he goes full bore into spreading the defense horizontally and quick passes out the PA, most notably that play action screen to Gallon that started the game off.

So I would say we are actually judging the likelihood of two scenarios:

A OC who has been forced out of two of his last three positions has a bad season because he mismatches his scheme and personel, but pulls it together with good adjustments for a great final game.

Or the line is so mind-blowingly inconsistent that they spend most of the latter half of the season mired in incompetence, with the only front sevens they can handle being Indiana and OSU.  One of those teams has 4 guys that will probably be playing on Sundays in their front seven, the other has 4 guys that probably shouldn't be playing in a BCS conference.

Space Coyote

December 3rd, 2013 at 12:00 AM ^

I was giving my honest assesment of the situation and the opposing view point. I appreciate that you at least looked at the timeline and show that he did try different things. Now, I believe he tried different things each week to attack the weaknesses of each team he faced individually, while trying to mitigate to the best of his ability a weakness that is extremely difficult to mitigate.

The Northwestern short passes were a function of that, not because he didn't realize their value before. It's that they were open against Northwestern's cover 3. They weren't against a press based cover 4 with tight safety help over top (MSU) and they weren't open against a press cover 1 (and at times press cover 4) look from Nebraska. Iowa went to more of a press look as well, though not as successfully (because they don't have the skill at DB) and not as often (because it isn't their base defense), but did it because they could exploit Michigan's greatest weakness under those circumstances: the interior OL's lack of protection leading to a lack of route developement on the outside.

In essense, I don't think Borges was tinkering because he didn't know what to do. He knows how to take advantage of different looks from different schemes and styles of teams. He didn't forget that. But at some point the team has to execute to some degree.

Against OSU, he started off with a tunnel screen off of PA to Gallon, a play that has been a staple of Michigan's offense since Borges's arrival. That play was not new, and has probably been run in the majority of games throughout his three years here. But it was executed flawlessly, right down to Lewan's pancake block. But that's set up by the 4-yard gain on first down and the hitch for a 1st down on 2nd down. The first three plays have been staples of Michigan's offense since DG took over as QB.

So yes, I do believe it's in large part due to execution, because that sequence of events, along with most of the play calling, was very similar to what we've seen in the past, except for it worked.

Monocle Smile

December 2nd, 2013 at 2:46 PM ^

Balls.

I'm not going to claim certainty that this is a failure to be cognizant of the multitude of problems, but that's what it looks like from an outside perspective.

I Like Burgers

December 2nd, 2013 at 2:47 PM ^

Disappointing, but not surprising.  Was hoping coach Jackson would at least retire now that his son has graduated, but I guess not.  Turns next season into a make it or break it season for Hoke.  That seat is going to get awfully hot after the first couple of losses.

hart20

December 2nd, 2013 at 2:48 PM ^

can be as bad at their jobs as Funk and Borges and keep their jobs. Funk has had terrible, absolutely terrible lines for 2 years in a row now and Borges has called games like he wants us to lose too many times to count. Hell, when was the last time Jackson produced a good back?

I don't see us doing any better than 8-4 next year, not with our road schedule and not with this staff.