including many, many terrible coaches, are loved by their former players.
including many, many terrible coaches, are loved by their former players.
I'm still upset with Donovan for not returning to school.
Read the article if you're going to comment about it.
Whitlock can be an ass, but he never BS's and he does know football.
This was a compelling article IMO, I feel much better about the prospects of him being our coach if that's what it comes down to.
Hoke has a lot of support from people who understand football and know him on a personal level. That should mean something. I've been having trouble understanding Brian's passionate dislike for the man...would I rather JH? Yes, but not by much giving the baggage that he brings to the job...
that I was responding to.
That is all.
Whitlock is a human being and he does have biases. If you've read his articles, Ball State, nightlife (and the right to keep one's nightlife private), and Jeff George seem to top the list.
However, his articles are always a good read.
Given the absolute necessity of keeping Denard around next year, I think Hoke and his "basketball on grass" BS can take a hike. Unless he wants to be our D-Coordinator.
If it has to be Hoke, then we need a Hoke Mitigation Strategy:
Spend the $5+ Million we would have spent on Harbaugh. We won't need to spend it all on Hoke, he makes less than a million.
Instead, pay Hoke the ~$2 Million going rate, and spend the rest on a killer team of Assistants. Bring in the best of the best . . . Loeffler, Soup Campbell, a killer OC and a killer DC, even *gasp* a Special Teams coach.
So who do you like? If we had about $3 Million to spend plus the regular kitty of Assistant Coach money, who would you try to bring in to "sex up" the Hoke regime?
However, the moment I read the "basketball on grass" comment regarding the spread, I became much closer to how Brian feels about Hoke being the next HC...no thank you.
I would totally +1 you if I could.
... uh, no, wait a second.
I'm going to start negging you onsite once we are able to again.
Nothing to do with your content, that avatar has to go. I'll go into Bolivia if necessary.
This is coming from a man who has a fairly troubling avatar himself.
People with your avatar deserve to get kicked in the crotch.
Anyone forcing a board full of like-minded football fans to look at a picture of Jocelyn Wildenstein's disaster of a face deserves to get kicked in the crotch.
That +1 button needs to come back soon.
Whenever I get the urge to +1 him, I'll do nothing. Otherwise, -1 until that avatar goes away.
Boy, we need voting back. I feel like I have no voice.
And implanted into your chin.
coaches that suck should be kicked in the crotch for wishing others to be kicked in the crotch for wanting to +1 someone.
I can think of one person that Hoke is definitely better than. You just named that person.
Ooo! Almost forgot!
Some jackass on a MICH message board says Hoke is great. I guess he should be our next corch.
See what I did there?
I was on the fence, too, until seeing those comments about the spread. Seemingly uninterested in working with the kind of talent that is currently on the roster, and probably not a big enough "splash" in terms of name recognition to get big time recruits for his system right away... doesn't sound like a good combination.
has Hoke been running at SDSU? Just curious
So that's not necessarily a bad thing.
Defensively, he's been extremely adaptable to his talent running different schemes on a yearly basis pending the talent he has on the roster. I imagine he'd see the light given the current roster makeup.
Don't think it's fair to assume otherwise...quite frankly, nobody could be more stubborn when it comes to scheme that our good friend RR...
I don't think Carr would badmouth the spread as "not real football" that can't work, at least not after App St and Oregon.
or any spread team he ever faced. Carr was famous for being unable to do a thing about spread offenses. They were his undoing, which is why we went for a spread coach when he left. If you can't beat them, join them. Unfortunately, not enough people wanted to join them.
Since Carr never opened his mouth to the media...ah, the good old days...
Mr. Hoke lost points there. He didn't have that many at baseline.
Sounds like the guy who just left and landed us Denard Robinson.
maybe that's because Rich Rodriguez is the inventor of the read option and many spread concepts, he's like the father of the modern day spread, Hoke, on the other hand, does not have anything comparable to that to lure guys in. No 4/5 star stud pro style QB is going to come to Michigan for Hoke, he'd come for Michigan, Denard came for RR's offense and UM.
I'm not sure recruits care all that much about which coach invented what. They care about the here and now.
If Hoke improves the team, with a pro-style offense, he'll land top QBs. Why wouldn't he? Plus, he'll just tell potential recruits two words: "Tom Brady."
I would think that other coachs (Harbaugh, Miles, etc.) would stand a better chance of bringing in the big name recruits. How would Hoke do in this regard? He may be a good coach, but to win BIG10 games were going to need to bring in talent.
But it heavily depends on the staff around them. If Hoke came in with the right supporting cast, he should be able to recruit. (ala Tressel ...)
why hire a coach if you want their assistants? Just hire the assistants.
of people who actually know what the hell they're talking about, Hoke is a good recruiter and coach that wants to be be here. Im sick and tired of the Hoke hate wagon. If he is hired and everyone starts bitching and moaning, I'm gonna start handing out dirt naps.
You were anti-Rodriguez. Am I right? (If I am wrong, many apologies)
For all of his faults, Rodriguez brought Michigan football out of the 1980s and into the mainstream with the spread option. Hiring Hoke would simply put Michigan right back. Is that where it belongs? I say no, but maybe it does.
I was a supporter or RR until after the bowl game.
So losing games, but running the spread option is better, in your opinion, because it's the updated version? Losing is the new winning I guess...
And again, what offense does Hoke run at SDSU? Have you watched any of their games? I've watched 5 this year...
It was a stab in the dark. My bad.
I've seen enough games and read enough about Hoke to know that he's not going to run the spread option. Obviously, losing games sucked and I'd rather see Michigan win. But I'd also rather see Michigan make a play for a spread coach (even a smaller name) than Hoke. In my opinion, Hoke is a smaller name than a lot of coaches out there and his only "endearing" quality is that his Michigan ties will appease some of the alumni/boosters. There are a lot of coaches that can/did win at mid-majors (if Miami(OH) and SDSU can even be properly classified as a "mid-major").
So then I take if you're not a JH supporter becasue he doesn't run the spread?
And, hell yeah, you better believe an endearing quality is that he loves Michigan.
But is loving Michigan a sufficient condition? Because to hire a 47-50 career coach it better be the most important thing on your list, and that's the definition of nepotism.
I never said it was a sufficient condition for coaching UM. Is it a plus? I think so! If you'd rather have a money chasing coach like Saban, then be my guest, but I have a little more pride in my alma matter than that.
Hoke started his head coaching gig at Ball State. Maybe it took him a few years to get in the groove? Saban had his fair share of mediocre seasons early on as a head coach too. So does that mean he isn't a good coach? Everyone wants to go after the "what have you done for me lately" meme, but not when it doesn't fit their story. Lately, Hoke has done very well.
Again, everyone who knows him and has been coached by him (that I've heard) has nothing but good things to say about him as a coach and person.
No, I'm actually anti-Harbaugh for his actions off the field. His comments about Michigan's academic standards to boost his own Stanford team forever villified him in my eyes. No "Michigan Man" should ever break down the program he supposedly loves if it benefits him personally. They call that cutting off his nose to spite his face.
I could not agree more. A good coach doesn't rely on one scheme for his offense or defense. A good coach adapts his system to his players.
the coaches who have to do that are the ones who couldnt' get the players they wanted in the first place. I'd rather have someone who is able to fill the roster with the talent they desire and not just what they can take.
But there are also coaches who adapt their system to their players because they get the best athletes. LIke, say, the sweatervest.
The best coaches are not locked in to one system.
Point taken. But RichRod was brought to Michigan to install his system. It wasn't stubborness that made him do this, it was what the university wanted when he was hired. Otherwise he would not have been hired.
This is about Michigan's coach post-Rodriguez.
Than have a great system.
big an RR supporter as there are, and yet I would much prefer Hoke over many of the big-name spread offense type guys. BTW, his SDSU team this year had TWO thousand yard receivers while the RB was just under 1500yds. His team also had two other wr's that had over 300 yds and 3 and 4 TD's. His qb also threw for over 3800 yds this season. Not exactly a 3yds and a cloud of dust type guy.
I like the idea of Hoke being our HC and would support him as much as I did RR.