No one should be. We played the best team in the country and it showed how much is left to do.
Brady Hoke, "Michigan had a sh#t season."
He goes on to say he's proud of the guys etc.... And it's nice to see some honesty and watch him define expectations with such a simple statement.
to a bunch of local coaches. Do you think they don't know that we did miles better than MSU? What is lower than sh*t? This is just a clever bit of salesmanship/sh*t by Brady that slyly lets area coaches know the big dogs are back where they belong. . . or heading there a lot faster than the Spartans. May give a nice little goose to 2014 recruiting.
Well into his second decade of being a Sparty slappy and trying to stir up shit.
Was this the same [annual] seminar where Dantonio got into it with Jeff Hecklinski last year?
That one was January 20, 2012:
"Our stock will go high!"
I respect and agree with the sentiment, but I'm a little surprised at the language. Hoke usually manages to coachspeak a little better and talk about not meeting expectations, etc.
I'm pretty sure this was on purpose.
This is at the annual MHSFCA coaches clinic in Kalamazoo. It is generally all high school coaches from across the state. Language like this is the norm, as I have sat through many of these clinics over the years. It is nothing, compared to some of the classroom type discussions that go on over the few days up there. Colorful language beware!! Very good time up there though, always look forward to this clinic.
football coaches use salty language?
When boats used to transport manure, there was often serious risk of the manure getting wet when stored below deck, which would produce methane gas and cause an explosion if a spark occurred. So the ships started marking the containers SHIT for:
So in reality, Brady's language wasn't really all that bad, now was it?
Looking forward to working this into a conversation.
teaching this handy acronym to my manure barge crew Monday.
"Remember men: when in doubt, SHIT."
The word is likely derived from Old English, having the nouns scite (dung, attested only in place names) and scitte (diarrhoea), and the verb scītan (to defecate, attested only in bescītan, to cover with excrement); eventually it morphed into Middle English schītte (excrement), schyt (diarrhoea) and shiten (to defecate), and it is virtually certain that it was used in some form by preliterate Germanic tribes at the time of the Roman Empire. The word may be further traced to Proto-Germanic *skit-, and ultimately to Proto-Indo-European *skheid- "cut, separate", the same root believed to have become the word shed. The word has several cognates in modern Germanic languages, such as German Scheiße, Dutch schijt, Swedish skit, Icelandic skítur, Norwegian skitt etc. Ancient Greek had 'skor' (gen. 'skatos' hence 'scato-'), from Proto-Indo-European *sker-, which is likely unrelated.
Either that, or you're full of shit.
a clever ruse if I've ever seen one - well played MMB 82, well played!
I like the other explanation.
The other explanation is as real as Manti Teo's girlfriend. But you probably like her too
but since the subject was brought up, I was curious.....
Which website did you pull this from?
Which is also the first place I went to check on that highly doubious acronym claim. Some things are just too cool to be true.
I didn't doubt its validity, more just the way it was stated. He states it like he just pulled it out of his memory, when its clear he copy and pasted it from someone else.
for your firm grasp of the obvious.
Yeah, right. You expect us to believe it's a Germanic word and not an acronym? I suppose you're going to tell us next that Thomas Crapper didn't invent the flush toilet.
I would have expected this from Gary Busey...
I hope you're joking. Otherwise, I have the entomology of the word "Bridge" that I'd like to sell you.
so I feel pretty good about it!
(ok, I know it's not true - it was derived from the Dutch word schijt)
entomology? like bugs and shit?
shit! A typo in a language-related thread. I will upvote you because I cannot downvote myself.
I see what you did there.
Unless the bridge has bugs, in which case I am most certainly not interested.
Also explained below/above by another poster.
I am me, and he is he...
BTW, that's a nice point total you have there, Eric - did you remember to bring your sun protection with you to Bolivian?
I'll test it out tonight with the ladies.
for the lesson, Sheldon
Not to be pedantic, but the correct acronym for SHIT is SHIP High In Transit. But still...
Not to be pedantic, but the correct acronym for SHIT is SHIP High In Transit. But still...
You are repeating an erroneous belief. http://www.etymonline.com/baloney.php
Google is a powerful tool. Use it, my friend.
High in Transit? Sounds like Brady is complaining about pad level again.
I think your comment is full of shit.
I've now seen everything on MGoBlog.
That Michael Rosenberg posted here.
Must be a glutten for punishment.
I knew my glutten free diet would pay off some day.
To his defense, I don't think he's complaining about the language in general, just the language used in public. I agree with him - swearing like that in venues where it's going to become public record is kind of bush league. I guess what we might be saying is that it would be cooler if he didn't use that word in public forums. That said, I love me some swear words used in everyday speak. I have the mouth of a drunken sailor. Just not on the public record.
/steps off soapbox and high horse at same time
Shit is less offensive than the word "ain't"
But really, neither one is offensive. No biggs
Sounds about right to me...
Brady says bad words?
we did..nothing to see here.
sorry for the tripple post...i accept my public floggin :(
I totally read that "pubic floggin". Yea, I got problems
Yep. Pretty much sums it up.
Other than the win over MSU, the rest of the season was not that impressive. I appreciate how he doesn't throw the players under the bus.
But "close" doesn't mean anything to Hoke based on his assessment of the season. With this attitude, next year will be better because of a more favorable schedule.
Even the win over MSU wasn't that impressive. I think we should have beat them by at least 2 TD's
they still had a good defense...and their whole season (and sense of self worth) hinges on the Michigan game. They play us better than anyone else on their schedule.
I miss the days of beating them 3 out of 4 times (with the fourth time usually involving some bs call like Spartan Bob or Desmond being interfered with) and usually beating them convincingly those 3 times.
Dantonio has seen the threat and the threat is increasing. Two TD victories are about to become more frequent.
Then do something about it.
That's a pretty accurate description. I grew up where an 8-4 season was considered the bottom of the barrel type season and 9-3 was considered ho-hum.
8-5 is shit. I couldn't agree more with that.
To be far take away the Bama game and insert usual easy opener and this was a 9-3 team. While not great by any standards it wouldn't look nearly as bad as the 8-5 ended up to be.
What's an (explitive) season?
I personally wasn't really all that disappointed with the season, seeing as the team played hard, we had a lot of bad luck, and the teams we lost to were all double-digit winners. But I'm glad we have a coach that expects more.
We only won 1 of our 6 biggest games.
He's right, but I don't think it was your run of the mill sh!t season though. Those 4 of those 5 losses were to top 5 teams, all were away from home and most were without full use of Denard. I would have been nice to pull some of those games out , but this team was damn good for one with 5 losses.
Don't forget the one loss was to a ND team who was inspired by an imaginary girl with cancer
True, but what stopped us from doing the same thing?
Also for four of those five loses, we had a realistic shot at winning the game. Only Alabama just blew us out of the water without any mercy. Under Carr in the period where he had things humming along, I'd have tended to agree that 8-5 was shit, however given the rebuilding needs I was actually fairly content with this season and found the perfomance to be in the target area. Only the second half of tOSU really stings still.
I'm happy to see this kind of reflection by the HC and what that likely means in terms of pressure being put on other coaches.
the 2nd half of the Nebraska game as well even though there was the excuse of Denard's injury. It really sucked. (Then there's most of the ND game...oh, nevermind)
I like the gigantic photo.
which is 1/3 of the total of 44.
Some of those seasons are worse than others ('84, '08-'09, for example)... I wouldn't put last season into the truly awful category, but I love the fact that Hoke isn't trying to varnish the shit.
But how many five-loss seasons? Not many. I believe we only had two from 1969-2007.
one year. The final loss was against "National Champion" BYU. That was BS of the highest order...
You call a spade a spade if you ask me... 5 loses is not acceptable regardless of who was played. This is Michigan, fergodsakes.
we got embarressed by alabama, handed notre dame the game with 6 interceptions, handed nebraska the game because we had no backup offensive planning, lost to ohio when our offense imploded on itself and handed them the game, and lost a heartbreaker to south carolina, the difference in the game being 3-4 big plays from an otherwise pedestrian south carolina offense. minus alabama, the only team that really beat michigan this year was itself. hoke's calling the season how it was: a shit season. i'm proud of the team, but if we go by hoke's standards, the season was a 100% failure.
The DetNews piece also contains some other summary information from the speech Hoke gave - (LINK), not the least of which was the possibility of Countess being able to participate a little in spring practice, and Toussaint being apparently "OK", in Hoke's words.
As for the season, it has been posted before, but going back to 1969, the historic average for Michigan seasons sits in the neighborhood of 9-3 (includes seasons where we didn't play 12 games, but it does include 19 seasons of 10+ wins and 10 seasons with nine wins), and 9-4 in the last 20 seasons, so yes, 8-5 comes in below the average Michigan performance. I like his attitude towards it though - "We have to keep creating that culture that we want to have as a football team. The goal is always to win the Big Ten championship and we didn’t do that so we need to keep working harder.”
Hoke called yr 1 a "failure" and yr 2 "sh#t". Clearly not a glowing self-appraisal of job performance or program direction. He's set clear expectations.
Next year we have 2.5 recruiting classes under Hoke and a favorable schedule, so the "expectations" could work against us with HS coaches and recruits if Urban or Dantonio have bragging rights.
B1G champs in 2013 or bust?
Great of a reporter who "also works for the Detroit Free Press" to make sure everyone knows that Brady Hoke was a "bad boy."
I'm glad we have a coach that doesn't accept mediocre results. The 11-2 season was the result of playing 13 shitty teams. This year was horrible. I'm sick of people thinking the rich rod years are the standard we have to pass. I love this coaching staf and think they did a good job despite bring saddled with denard. He wa horrible, but a blond fan base would have run them out if town if he was benched. So they had to adjust. I am thrilled to see that they don't think these past two years are god enough. I am so excited to finally see Michigan football next season. Go blue
after your 4th sentence. Good start followed by, "wtf?" And I have dark hair... blond fan base my ass...
Sorry. Autocorrect and iPhone make for some unreadable sentences if im not careful
Easy there. Kate Upton is part of our blond fan base, and she is a Michigan and Mgo icon
''denard. He wa horrible, but a blond fan base would have run them out if town if he was benched.''
I doubt any pre-2010 Michigan fan could imagine a scenario where the Wolverines would ever play a college football schedule like that one, but ok. Shit it is.
My math formula for the season is:
Unfortunate injuries at QB + No running game + questionable OC playcalling = Shit season
Maybe I'm wrong.
I thought the defense actually played better than expected.
is what I expect with Greg Mattison in town. I am happy that Hoke and he are so close and expect Hoke to continue the great defenses when Mattison retires.
I'd say that sums it up pretty well.
I apologize if this is lengthy but i felt a need to respond. I have been an avid reader of the blog for a years, but never felt compelled to comment until today.
I happened to have attended the session today and appreciated how honest coach hoke came across. The comment was the words of a man who knew that every coach in that audience could relate when their team did not achieve the goals they had set. Could he have used a different word? Sure. But as a coach myself, I appreciated the emotion behind it. It was not an attack on the team, and he was quick to point out how proud he was of the players and coaches.
Great first post. I do have one question though, did Dantonio leap up and shout "We're not here to listen to this. Move on!"
All of the losses this year were very winnable except for Alabama. We simply ate a shit sandwich that night.
Brady is attempting to instill the fact, thankfully so, that M is not going to be satisfied with fewer than double digits each year. He is soft spoken normally in public, as evidenced by his half-time interviews. We really don 't know what is said in the locker room, but I have an idea Greg M.uses more expletives than any other coach on the squad.
This was premeditated on his part imo, and completely called for. I have a feeling w/in a few years that we will be going into the bowl season with those double digits in the W column, unlike LC, who although ending up with multiple 10 win seasons, too many of them came as the result of the bowl games. Personally, I think M fans will soon be used to us getting their prior to bowl bids going out. And I think this is the message he is sending to coaches, thereby an extension to recruits as to what he expects and will achieve every season. He'll prove to be the best hire we've made since Bo, imho.