http://www.mlive.com/wolverines/index.ssf/2013/05/brady_hoke_notre_dame_chickeni.html#incart_river
Pretty straight forward really; Brady Hoke says Notre Dame is chickening out of the rivalry.
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http://www.mlive.com/wolverines/index.ssf/2013/05/brady_hoke_notre_dame_chickeni.html#incart_river
Pretty straight forward really; Brady Hoke says Notre Dame is chickening out of the rivalry.
Still can't believe we'll loose that great rivalry ...
I mean, Purdue and Staee ? Really ?
Hoke is right on that one.
Yeah, I know. I was hoping we'd tighten it up.
I can't upvote you right now but I will say that was hilarious enough to make me laugh out loud...
jdon
I don't think I ever saw a negative number that low.
need to learn da English, yah? Oui, Oui!
I'm just like travelling around the country man... I like to take peyote and channel the spirit of Simon Bolivar...
and apparently no politics is a real rule around here... even if you are immensely insightful (not inciteful like magnus)...
jdon
ps. the worst part about being sent to boliva is you have to type in a stupid code every time you post... the word verification has been more than enough punishment...
You could be the Anthony Bourdain of Bolivia.
Basically, he said the Newtown shootings were either faked or perpetrated by the government...because it was "too clean" of an event on the media timeline.
Thanks for the info
I do not believe newtown or aurora were faked; people died and that shit is fucked up... I simply don't believe in the quick simple solutions provided by mainstream media and I question how convienent the events were to certain government agendas.
It may be a subtle difference but it is important to me because I still grieve for the innocent people murdered; just because I am a 9/11 truther doesn't mean that I don't feel bad for the victims...
love,
jdon
ps. lets hope this doesn't extend my ban... I just wanted to point out a significant difference in my perspective: I may be crazy, but it is my crazy...
I hope it's not that you had the opinion (which I express no opinion about), but that you broke the 'no politics' rules on the board.
Your not crazy, Jdon. I actually share the same beliefs as you, and I have had those beliefs long before 9/11. You should pm me sometime, I would love to chat with you on these things. But at least we can all agree on our love for this great institution, and the maize and blue comes before country for me anyway.lol. God, Family, Michigan, country, in that order.
No one has ever been exiled to the darkest caves of Bolivia's Cave District before. Hope you're a spelunking fan...
"Loose" is a way to describe the change in your pocket
Or the women you've been poking.
But I always lose that change... So it could be both
Your statement flies in the face of the facts. Obviously, a man who mocks Staee can indeed misspell "lose".
That episode was just on. Awesome
What a great rivalry lost - thanks to ND arrogance.
And recent domination by the Maize and Blue.
More accurately, recent mind-numbing series of loses by Notre Dame. Dominance isn't quite the right word given we were probably a total of 40 seconds from being 0 for our last 4 against them
And he is right. Even Notre Dame fans acknowledge that.
to follow your logic train, are you saying that the Domer's AD is making decisions and/or choices that the fan base is not supportive of?
Color me shocked.
Hoke is right. The ONLY reason for ND to stop that game is to cut down on their expected losses. Compared to teams like Purdue and MSU, we provide a more appealing game for their fans, better TV ratings, a better recruiting atmosphere, better strength if schedule, and on and on. The problem? They probably see us as a 50-50 win for the coming future, while they probably see MSU and Purdue as 80-20 or 75-25. They've apparently decided that those extra 5-6 losses over the next 20 years are too high of a cost to justify.
Lame.
They are. Actually, more like chickenshit wimps.
Enjoy your new rivals in Duke and Wake Forest, losers.
Returning to glory since 1989.
p.s. Rudy was offsides
Can we still use that? I love the phrase but they did just play in the NC game (despite not really belonging there). I mean our MBB team played in the Finals and I took that as returning to our former glory despite not actually winning the title game. Perhaps football and basketball are just too different?
But we haven't been claiming our return to the top ever since then, and Michigan basketball fans don't think
Michigan basketball is God's gift to American athletics like ND football fans feel.
Exactly. You start out 2-0, the world could care less. But in the last 20 years, if you start out 2-0 and you're Notre Dame, you're not only back to glory but you're front runner for the national title. It doesn't help that the media buys into this too soon hype either.
I think you're confusing the national championship with a scrimmage, the national championship this year was Alabama vs Georgia
1) Our basketball team actually belonged in the NC game. We had to win our way in, not be voted in by a compliant adoring media.
2) We have never said anything as stupid as "A strong Notre Dame is good for college football". College football does not have to have a strong Notre Dame (or Alabama or USC or Texas or Florida or Michigan). During the last 25 years, college football has reached unprecedented levels of popularity, and everyone of those progams was weak for some portion of it.
So the difference is A) our basketball team actually did return to glory, and B) when it happened we did not proclaim that the whole sport returned to glory just because we did.
1) Notre Dame did play in the BCS title game, but they looked like they didn't even belong on the same field as Alabama. I might concede the point if it was a close game, but it looked like boys against men out there. They still have yet to win a BCS bowl game, which puts them behind the likes of Boise State and Louisville (hell, they'd probably get spanked by Boise State and Louisville). So no glory yet.
2) Our basketball program is solid, but most reasonable Michigan fans would acknowledge that we're not in the same group as Duke, UNC, Kansas, Kentucky, et al. Delusional Notre Dame fans, on the other hand, are under the impression that their program should always be counted amongt the uber elite despite the fact that they've achieved little more than winning two bowl games since the advent of the Internet.
I will take pleasure in every loss, humiliation, and indignity to befall ND until their fanbase sheds its delusion that ND actually deserves some kind of special status among college football programs. They are a glorified mid-major, as acknowledged by one ND fan last season in a rare moment of candor. Until the rest of them agree, to hell with Notre Dame.
Their inside track to the BCS has been extremely annoying to watch. Yay ND went 10-2! They only lost to the 2 ranked teams they actually played in a season, thats Fiesta Bowl worthy! Hopefully the playoffs value quality wins and SOS more than just record and ND gets shut out over and over.
Well it's kind of true. The ACC is daunting enough as it is. Don't want to have to play UM as well.
It's hard to argue otherwise when they're still playing two Big Ten teams per year. Playing Purdue and MSU but not Michigan is pretty lame.
I love Brady Hoke.
Me 2
To Hell with Notre Dame.
Once the series is over, will give two sh*ts about the place.
Brady Hoke Calls Notre Dame A Chicken
...then proceeds to eat them
State fans probably popped bottles when Swarbrick called it off.
They now are the #2 rival by default. Poop. If Minny kept Glen Mason, who knows? That series was pretty exciting from 2003-2006. They could've been #2 by now.
...should be the very first college football game of EVERY college football season.
It should be tradition. You know CFB is here because Michigan and Notre Dame are playing.
I've said this for years...unfortunately we've gone the opposite direction.
But how cool would it be to start EVERY year with only Michigan and ND? Like the Hall of Fame preseason game in the NFL.
No one listens to me!
Next rant: Michigan vs. MSU should be the first week of the B1G season. ND - first game, MSU - first B1G game (for each team, not for the conference), Ohio - last B1G regular season game (for each team, not for the conference).
Dave Brandon...please make this happen.
Michigan had ND as the first game in 1985-1990, 1992 & 1998-1999.
3-5-1 record. Too much bad juju given the heartbreaking fashion some of those games were.
When the series resumed in the 70s, the plan was for the Michigan v. ND game to be the first game of the season for both teams. However, ND started scheduling a game before the UM game to work out the first-game kinks. Michigan then started doing the same, so the game eventually became the second or third game for each team.
Off the top of my head, 1989 when we were #2 and they were #1, they scheduled a kickoff classic game with Virginia before us while we opened against them.
In 1992, they scheduled Northwestern before us while we opened our season in South Bend. And in 1999, at the very last minute, they threw in a game against Kansas while we had to open against them.
That's when Lloyd finally spoke up and said WTF? The schools had a gentlemans agreement that we would open against each other and Notre Dame keeps ignoring that. Domer fans denied there was ever such an agreement but we never actually heard from their coaching staff or athletic director on the topic. And as we have learned over the last couple decades, Domer fans opinions don't mean crap.
It's this kind of crap that makes me glad we take a break in the series every now and then (1983-84, 1995-96, 2000-01). If Notre Dame wants to pound their chests over beating crappy ACC teams, while technically not being a full fledged member of that conference, go right ahead. Seriously, who else but Notre Dame would sort of/sort of not be a member of a conference?
It gave him something to point to all off-season, and get the guys ready in camp. It got their attention. (For both teams). And if you won it, great, and if you lost it was the first game of the year it didn't hurt you in the Big Ten at all. Then they started trying to get all the first game kinks out before they played us, and it defeated the purpose. And thus "to hell with Notre Dame."
...was it the first game of the entire season?
That's my twist. Let us play on the Saturday before the rest of college football.
Or maybe even make it the Monday before everyone plays that following Saturday.
I don't know or care, I just want it to be the very first game of the entire college football year. I think it fits the rivalry, I think no matter how good (or bad) the teams are, people will watch, I think it would be accepted by most fans since they're the 2 winningest programs.
Almost like how Army/Navy always play that late game in what, December? It's after everyone else, or most everyone else at least. I believe it's when everyone is playing conference championship games.
Start every year with Michigan/ND, end the year with Army/Navy.
Again, DB, stop worrying about the uniforms and make it happen!
...except for that whole "Notre Dame is too chicken to play us" thing, which is, like, the topic of this post.
is just calling em like he see's em!
How many Notre Dame fans does it take to screw in a light bulb?
None, they just all stand around waiting for it to return to glory....
I'll call him a chicken fucker!
Chicken Fucker! Buh-GAAAWK!
I can say "meow". I can say "moo".......
Didn't we cancel '17 & '18 before they canceled '15 & '16? And we are the ones who just added a new high profile opponent to the years where we were supposed to come off hiatus, essentially closing that door. Not saying ND doesn't hold some of the blame here, but it doesn't seem to me that they are "chickening out."
YES. THEY. ARE.
Dude, you're totally ruining it...
That was an already agreed upon hiatus, no one cancelled it.
This was at a luncheon I was at in downtown GR. He did indeed call them chickens, and seemed confused as to why that illicited so much laughter.
He also said, "I don't know why they won't play us . . . well actually I do."
My cool story bro is that as he left the podium, I snuck out of the room and grabbed him in a back hallway and he kindly paused for a picture even though he was running late to a coaches clinic. I don't know how to post a pitcture or I would do it.
/s
I had ribs for lunch, that's why I'm doing this.
They can suck a bag of dicks
Do they have to do them all at one time or one at a time?
Yeah, that's not cool man.
I know you know that's totally different, but if I lived in a world where eating vagina wasn't the norm, I knew that many people hated heteros and discriminated against them and I felt it was said in a derogatory manner, then yeah I'd probably be offended. Especially considered I had spent my entire life up until recently hiding this fact about myself from the world.
Making fun of people for being gay is ignorant.
I didn't say it's not normal, I said it's not the norm. It does to against social norms, whether or not that's right or wrong.
And no one freaked out about, all I said was "that's not cool man." It wasn't until another poster furthered the debate that I did as well. I just think his board is above gay jokes is all. If you disagree, that's your prerogative.
You should be ashamed of yourself. Grow up and show some class.
I thought that was pretty funny. People need to lighten up.
Strong words. Hoke must be full of confidence after the Charity Bowl win.
He's right. Irish know their only shot at relevance is to go undefeated against the easiest possible schedule. MSU and Purdue don't pose as much of a challenge to that as we do, so they don't want to play us. Chicken.
Is William and Mary have been ducking Slippery Rock for years. It's time to give everyone the matchup they want to see.
Dropping the Michigan game only makes sense if you are afraid of losing. It is a huge game with "game of the week" coverage, more so now that it has become a night game. "Chicken" is the correct word.
Don't be so hard against Swarbrick. Those slots to squeeze in NC State and Wake Forest aren't going to open themselves.
Looking at the state of Notre Dame football, it's astonishing to see how far it's fallen in the past 20 years.
Honestly, [email protected]#$ ND, aside from last year they have been a joke and they will likely go back to being a joke. I hope that we can get a better team on our schedule. We don't need ND to make our schedule look good, nor do we need it for our attention. At the very least we can stop having games that are announced by the shitty NBC announcers.
Disagree. You never get a ton of credit and publicity for beating a usually mediocre team like you do with ND.
I'm just kind of sad that Nebraska is going away to the West. They would have been an excellent replacement and in conference for even extra hatred. As long as I'm getting games like VT though, I'm fine. To hell with Notre Dame (or half assed ACC ties work as well).
And bring someone to the Big House. I don't know how easy that is (probably not so easy), but a quick look at FBSchedules.com shows that Texas Tech and Louisville both have open dates on 9/6/14.
The would be the easiest way to stick it to them. The coolest way, though, would be to beat them 38-0.
We bitch-slap them to the tune of a 35-40 point victory and then post-game Brandon announces his intent to buy out of the 2014 game in favor of finding a more competitive opponent.
The announcement comes in the form of handing an envelope to the Notre Dame AD.
Served.
We raised 70k in 30 days...I'm pretty sure we can fund the buyout ourselves. Also, we need to make F'cking sure we get said amount in pennies and drive a few dumptrucks over to that 1/2 scale replica of Michigan stadium and fill 'er up. To hell with Notre Dame.
They'll be talking about this quote in September, calling it bulletin board material and suggesting it gives ND extra motivation. If we really wanna make it sting, we've got to beat them. Really rub it in. If we can do it this year and next in their house, I'm actually happier that we don't get the return trip. Let that be their lasting memory of this rivalrly, losing the final matchup in front of a home crowd.
losses they can risk incurring going forward if they don't want to just become an afterthought in the national conversation. MSU gives them slightly better odds.
:)
Hoke never struck me as a very outspoken guy, at least not to the media. Really seems like a man of Fort Schembechler. But he's calling it like he sees it, and I happen to agree with him on this 100%. The fact that Notre Dame scrapped their rivalry with us but chose to keep Purdon't and little brother around is like a direct slap in the face to Michigan. The only reasoning I could see behind their decision is that those other two series have been around longer, and they have, but neither of those schools move the national appeal needle even remotely close to the way that playing Michigan does. Nobody gives a shit when Notre Dame plays Purdue. Why? Because Purdue fucking sucks. MSU as a whole might not suck, at least not now, but they need Notre Dame. They need the national exposure. Notre Dame doesn't need them.
Today's football landscape is about what will make good ratings and a shitload of money. Neither Purdue or MSU offer that like Michigan can. I know Notre Dame doesn't need the exposure, but everyone always needs more money. Notre Dame included. I'd understand cutting Michigan from the schedule only if they cut MSU and Purdue as well. It'd suck, but I could live with that, because it'd show Notre Dame is truly trying to get out of its Midwest roots and make a fully national schedule.
I'm with Hoke. Notre Dame bitched out to play two lesser Big Ten programs, and a bunch of ACC scrubs, minus VaTech, Clemson and FSU. I hope the game at home this year is drama-free: send them out with an ass-kicking they'll remember for a long, long time.
The reason seems pretty simple to me: since Stanford became good, ND had to cut one difficult opponent from their schedule, or go every year with a (potentially) beast schedule. They can't cut USC or Stanford, because they need that one game a year on the West Coast for recruiting purposes. They can't cut an ACC opponent. That leaves dropping either Michigan or their one-and-one with a national -power-to-be-determined. They don't want to drop the latter because that game gives them scheduling flexibility. That left the Michigan game (which was vulnerable because they already play two midwest teams for Midwest recruiting viz).
I hate to say it, but, in their shoes, I'd have dropped the Michigan game as well. It's the logical choice.
If Stanford drops from being an elite team, this will bite them a bit, but that won't happen soon, I don't think.
I don't disagree with Hoke often, but I do this time.
They should have dropped Michigan State. They're the power in the Big Ten. Just ask them.
If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck ....
Then it's Gordon Bombay?
I'd have to see the flying V before I was going to commit to if it's him or not.
...but when I was at the University of Maryland I used to work with this chic who'd fly around the country banging pro athletes.
Her nickname... "The Flying V."
It is definitely a shame that we'll no longer play this game after next season, and this is the final home game against ND for the forseeable future. I can't wait to go, and if any of you want to join and have access to a private Friday night Big House Tour, let me know!
http://www.sportspowerweekends.com/michigan-vs-notre-dame-weekend-experi...
ND has always been great at cherry-picking a schedule that gives them a lot of teams that look good for the computers, but that an elite team should beat. They combine these with two or three real games like Michigan or USC, and maybe one other "tough" game per year.
Now, with the ACC bringing in a few tougher games, and Stanford becoming an elite program again, they are getting rid of Michigan so they have on less possible loss on the schedule every year.
This is a masterful job of cherry-picking. They don't play enough ACC teams to experience the grind of a full conference schedule, nor have they ever played enough Big Ten teams to experience it. Now that Brian Kelly has them good again, getting rid of MIchigan could keep them from one loss too many some years, and give them a better chance of getting into a playoff.
Personally, I won't miss this rivalry. I have thought for years that the Big Ten should have refused to play ND until they joined the conference. If every major conference told them they didn't want to play indies, ND would have to join one of them to get a decent schedule.
This is one reason that I would still like to see what I will call a "super-division" made of super-conferneces, relegating anyone not in a conference to second-tier status. Let ND play in a conference, any conference, and have to sustain "the grind" like everyone else does.
We get a lot of mileage out of "Winningest College Football Program of All Time". It's even painted on the side of our equipment truck.
Now we are in danger of losing the Winningest % part of that title to Notre Dame. While we are playing the B1G East and the top half of the B1G West and a strong OOC opponent every year, they will be playing a cherry picked schedule of ACC teams. They will never play Florida State, Clemson, and VaTech all in the same year.
Although you're right, they have decided to keep USC and Stanford on the schedule, so it's likely they play USC, Stanford and one of those three most years.
Sorry that is nonsense.
USC is generally going to be an "Ohio" type of level.
They play Texas Longhorns in 2015/2016 - that program is down a bit but when they scheduled it it wasnt a walkover and who knows in 2015 could be a top 10 team.
Stanford has re-emerged as a very good program.
State is a decent team
They play at Miami in 2016 and also VA Tech.
It's a good schedule so to say they are walking away to get the winningest program is nonsense.
As an aside they have another home and home with Texas in 2019/2020. They essentially replaced Michigan with Texas - I don't think you can argue that's a cakewalk or big difference in prestiage or power.
Michigan is going to have 1 very tough non conference every year, and then Ohio, PSU, State and a crossover with a Wiscy/Nebraska type team along with also rans. I don't see much difference.
The difference is . . . they don't have to play us!
Love Brady calling notre lame 'Chicken!'
ND fans can't argue with him either after their chicken-shit AD ddn't have the guts to tell David Brandon to his face that they were ending the game series. I guess they were just getting sick of losing to us constantly. For ND's sake, Purple Face should keep his mouth shut on this one and not make the whole thing worse for them. I can't wait until we ass-stomp them this September.
Isn't Notre Dame Michigan's little brother as well? Michigan taught them the game of football, fergodsakes.
Their rivalry with Sparty has more history. They're played almost twice as many games against them so it makes sense to keep that game. And Purdue is an in-state rival, so they can't drop that game.
But I don't appreciate the dick move to "serve" Brandon right before the game last year.
I do love that this move forced us to show that we're just as much the national program as ND and can play anyone, anywhere and don't need them for our non-conference schedule.
I've got to be honest, but your justifications for Notre Dame's actions sound like your defending something stupid you're drunk buddy did at a party that pissed everybody off. No one is going to hear you out.
That is all. Like I said, ND handled the move in a dickish way. In my four years at UM in the 90s, the series was on hiatus for a couple of those years. So going on hiatus for a few years is not something new with us.
We were ND's first-ever opponent - we literally taught them how to play football. So there's a bit of history there. MSU may have played them more often but usually no one outside of the two fanbases cares when they meet. U-M-ND has been far bigger on the national stage.
As for PU being an in-state opponent, IU is as well, but they never play them. Why play only one of the two B1G schools in Indiana?
And I think IU was either the first or second team ND played on NBC when they signed that deal back in the 90s and crushed them. Maybe IU didn't want to take the beating every year. Also, I don't know what MSU and Purdue's contract with ND is. It's possible that those contracts didn't have as convenient of an exit clause.
And as much as people don't want to hear it, ND doesn't need Michigan to gain a national stage. They're on national TV regardless of who they play. There's just no getting rid of them unfortunately.
But it's still a big game for them. It wasn't a coincidence that they chose to play us at night last year. For most ND fans, it's just behind USC in importance. Also, they hate our guts, in a way that they don't hate anyone else. They are convinced that we harbored an anti-Catholic bias for decades (even though we fielded plenty of Catholic players during that time). ND fans routinely say things like "USC is our rival, Navy is our friend and Michigan is our enemy."
Agree, this thread sounds a lot like a Sparty board when discussing Michigan. That makes me sad. With that said, their dick move to bailout on the field ahead of the last game was... well a dick move.
I think this speaks more about where Michigan is and will be in the future. Dont you guys think there is a reason why ND kept Purdue and MSU? WIth NDs new ACC loaded schedule, I believe they did the right thing. Keep the 2 big ten teams you can beat and drop the one that you cant. I still think Hoke is right for calling them out, because they are a bunch of chicken shit pussies, but Im going to take it as a compliment for UM. ND knows that with the way UM has been recruiting and the great coaches they have, that it is time to pull out of the series now. I know ND has been doing well in those aspects as well, but I think 3-4 years from now, UM will have done better than ND.
Chicken tonight. I'll probably wear a green shirt while I do it.
They have their midwest footprint without really trying. They know they can't afford a match-up with another national powerhouse if they want to keep getting to the NCG.
Honestly, it is chicken. But it's also a compliment--they don't want to have another game they have a good chance of losing every year on their schedule.
Honestly, if our schedule was as tough as theirs, I'd probably want to cut one of the great teams too, and cutting Michigan won't hurt their recruiting or national appeal as much as cutting USC or Stanford.
"Honestly, if our schedule was as tough as theirs, I'd probably want to cut one of the great teams too"
Our schedule is as tough as theirs. Let's drop OSU, it will reduce the risk of us losing a big game.
As it stands now though, Stanford and USC are their only tough games. They have MSU and Purdue, the academies, and some ACC teams (maybe one of which will be tough). Not a total walk in the park, but not exactly murderer's row either.
The Strength of Schedule arguments make no sense. Let's forget any one year when USC might be better than Ohio or not. Ohio and USC are par programs. Currently Stanford is on par with say a Nebraska or Wisconsin (better than PSU). They drop Michigan and add Texas Longhorns. Who do we play that is on part with Texas after allowing for Ohio and say Nebraska or Wisconsin (in the future will be a crossover game). They add Miami and VA Tech. Those programs are similar to a PSU and State.
The rest of the schedule of the two programs is similar - you can toss a Purdue or Iowa or whomever with a Boston College or whatever. Those are games you can lose if you dont come to play and put in full effort.
I find the schedules to be quite equivalent. Many people here seem to think the Big 10 is the SEC. It is not much better than the ACC after the first few teams.
See, I don't buy that whole idea of not wanting too many tough opponents on your schedule as a legitimate justification for dropping us. Case in point: Alabama. I don't think much of Saban as a person, but I respect the hell out of his on-field product, not only because they win, but because they will play anyone, anywhere, anytime. On top of dominating the SEC, they went to Happy Valley, they're going to MSU in a few years, they played us, and will be playing Wisconsin at neutral sites. They are the only SEC team that isn't afraid to cross the Mason-Dixon Line (Vandy doesn't count). And they win title after title.
If ND is eliminating us because they don't want one more tough opponent, its a chicken-shit, pussy move. That's all there is to it. Take a page out of Alabama's book: if you want to be the best, you have to beat the best, wherever they are. Sometimes in their own backyard.
I mean Michigan announced last summer they were canceling the 2018 and 2019 games and than Notre Dame announced later they were canceling the 2017, 2016, and 2015 games.
No. The 2018 and 2019 games were a break like the 2000 and 2001 year. It was supposed to give the schools chances at different opponents among other things. What ND is doing is ending the rivalry almost entirely.
Also ND had to agree on the two year break where ND just canceled on their own.
if they only schedule a bunch of weak opponents for the season?
We'll just play them in January.
Notre Dame is continuing to play Purdue and MSU but not Michigan. Hmm wonder why that is...
"They're still gonna play Michigan State, they're gonna play Purdue, but they don't want to play Michigan," Hoke continued. "I don't know how they made that decision ... I really do ... But anyway, that's a great national rivalry game. It's a great game." - Brady Hoke, in the article
I suppose Notre Dame will always have these two stalwarts of the Big Ten, and to think that they'll be able to add Wake Forest or perhaps Boston College more often now. Maybe they can alternate Purdue and Indiana so they can have a real scare once in a while.
If there is any interest in these numbers, now that the alliance is in place, ND is 84-32 against the ACC lifetime - the only two teams that they have losing records against are Florida State (2-5) and they lost the only game they played against NC State. In the Big Ten, they have losing records against three teams - Michigan (16-23), Nebraska (7-8, although all those were played when Nebraska was in the Big 12) and Ohio State (2-5).
PS - I am truly sorry, WolverSwede - your post, hilarious as it was, precipitated an HTML nightmare. Multiple attempts at fixing individual replies weren't working, so I had to delete the post and reply chain to fix the thread. Feel free to post it again though.
I'll miss the lamentation of Lou Holtz. Watching him freak out after the ass whoppings or last minute victories have always been some of my fondest memories. 2006 and 38-0...good bye sweet prince.
I got an MIP on the corner of State and Arbor after the 2003 38-0 game. Totally worth it.
BTW - 2006 was 47-21. 2007 was 38-0 again.
The 2003 game was the best. Gameday was on site and there was tons of hype leading up to that game. The Irish fans milling about were extremely vocal pre-game because the general sense was that ND was a slight favorite. Then we shredded them. There aren't many victories I've witnessed that were much more satisfying than that one. The rest of the week, Michigan was the talk of college football world.
Then we went to Oregon and pooped the bed.....argh!
What I want to know, is did Hoke tuck his thumbs in his armpits and waggle his elbows up and throw in a few clucks when he said this?
He did the Chicken Dance like he was at a Polish wedding.
that ND is taking a page out of the Ohio scheduling playbook. Setting up a season packed with fluffers in the hopes of being in the hunt for a top 4 spot at the end of the year will bring them more money and praise from the fanbase than a win against Michigan every 2-3 years. Without playing us their odds go up significantly of at least being in the hunt for a playoff spot.
OSU pretty much schedules the same way we did when ND was on the schedule. One game that will likely be a quality non-conference game. One middling Big Eastish team, two MAC snacks.
The Cal series that makes their schedule look so bad this year was scheduled when Aaron Rodgers was their QB and they were a top 15ish team. The next four years, they take on Va Tech and Oklahoma, which will make for far tougher non-conference games than we face those years.
I don't think ND should get the last home game in this series since they are the ones that canceled it. Brandon should tell them to eat a dick and put another team on our 2014 schedule.
I appear to be in the minority but I am more than ok with losing ND. I'd like to play them 2 or 4x a decade and then use that slot for home and homes with other team - I love the VA Tech matchup and like (not love) the Arkansas matchup. Anything other than Pac 10 teams which we seem to really have a lot of trouble with in pre Big 10 matchups. But going to play a Georgia twice a decade or Oklahoma/Texas or Miami or whatever instead of ND year in and year out is a lot more interesting. Doesnt mean I dont want to ever see ND on the schedule but how many 40-0 blowouts can we watch. ;)
While popular to whine about this subject I like data rather than easy emotional memes, so I pulled the 2016 schedule for comparison. Why 2016? You have the full slate of games mostly scheduled with their new conference. Notre Dame has a bunch of TBAs in 2015.
Keep in mind they play texas in 2019/2020 to replace Michigan's slot so I am not cherry picking a year.
Comparing schedule by strongest team (by reptuation) I see little difference and can see why ND would drop Michigan (even if they did it in a doofus way on the field)
#1
ND v USC
Mich v Ohio
#2
ND v Texas
Mich v Wisc/Nebraska
#3
ND v Stanford
Mich v Wisc/Nebraska
#4
ND v VA Tech
Mich v Northwestern/Sparty
#5
ND v Miami
Mich v Northwestern/Sparty
#6
ND v Sparty
Mich v Iowa/Colorado (being very generous with CO since currently they SUCK)
So is there really any difference? Not to these eyes. Yes maybe 2016 is loaded since they have Texas filling up a slot and no equivalent in 2017/2018 but again they play Texas again in 2019/2020. These are slots Michigan will play the Arkansas and VA Tech's of the world.
Did they chicken out - perhaps. But the schedule if they kept Michigan on would be absolutely brutal. Point of this post was not if they chickened out but showing why Michigan was a logical choice and to refute those saying how easy ND has it go forward.
Remember CFB goes to a playoff system where strength of schedule matters as well. So playing decent non conference matters esp for teams in (ahem) not so glossy conference likes the ACC and Big 10.
I am going to start this off by saying, stop crying. ND begged and grovel'd to join the BIG way back in the day and were denied on several fronts. So now you want us in and we say no and we are playing dirty pool?
Right so 2016 featuring @Texas, Stanford @MSU, Miami, USC, Virginia Tech, is a cup cake schedule? As for not playing the top teams in the ACC in the same year, we have FSU and Lousiville in 2014. Give me a break.
Frankly I'll hate to see this series die because it means a lot to me and my family that are mostly UM fans.
As for recruiting? Don't think ND is afraid of you there either, we finished 3rd to your 7th on 247s 2013 rankings.
ND doesn't want to be a regional team. We play a national schedule. We recruit nationally. You recruit MI, OH, IL and PA with a couple of outliers as your 2013 recruit roster indicates. We signed kids from FLA, CA, TX, OH, MI, MD, NJ, VA, DC, AZ...
While I would prefer to see UM vs Purdue, there is more history between MSU & Purdue than there is with UM. Blame whoever but I think UM was the culprit for the long breaks here.
Besides, think of the epic bowl games that will come of this. Genius. UM vs ND in the NCG.
Or you can just accept the reality of college football. Money.
the fact that ND cancelled the series. Maybe a game against VA Tech will make you feel happy. The point is simply that our coach called ND chickens, and well... you are.
Your 2016 schedule sounds solid, but the point is that ND backed out of the rivalry. I guess you can claim that the MSU one was more important. Oh well.
Since PSU will be back around 2016 or so, we'll just replace you.
ND begged and grovel'd to join the BIG way back in the day and were denied on several fronts.
This never happened. Notre Dame and the Big Ten negotiated the Irish's conference assimilation in 1999. The ND faculty senate voted unanimously to join the conference, but the board of trustees overruled the vote. Negotiations were ended and Notre Dame remained independent.
You could be referring to some episode in the even more distant past, but that would make you even more wrong. Notre Dame guarded its independence fiercely for a hundred years until that aborted negotiation.
You recruit MI, OH, IL and PA with a couple of outliers as your 2013 recruit roster indicates.
A couple of outliers? 25 of the current 85-man roster are from outside those four states, and 4 of our 9 2014 commits.
We signed kids from FLA, CA, TX, OH, MI, MD, NJ, VA, DC, AZ...
So did we.
While I would prefer to see UM vs Purdue, there is more history between MSU and Purdue than there is with UM.
I assume you mean you'd rather see UM vs Notre Dame, but there's more history in both the ND-MSU series and the ND-Purdue series? Notre Dame's record against Purdue is 33-9 since 1970. That's better than the Michigan series? Why?
Blame whoever but I think UM was the culprit for the long breaks here.
OK, so you think that. Do you have a reason? Michigan fans have two big reasons for assigning blame. The first is the notice of termination that Jack Swarbrick handed to Dave Brandon on September 22, on the sidelines of the football field literally minutes before the game began. The second is Swarbrick's own admission that he, not Brandon, canceled the series. So...blame whoever but you thinking that UM was the culprit for the long breaks here is easily disproven.
So Yost wasn't an instrument of preventing them from joining way back when?
When asked by reporters about a Michigan-Notre Dame series in 1947, the normally quiet, reserved Leahy shot back, "I just wish we had the opportunity to beat Michigan. We'd be happy to play them any time, on any Saturday, during any fall."
In the 1940s Crisler, too, attempted to organize Big Ten schools to boycott ND. Michigan State and Purdue both told Notre Dame they were proud and delighted to have the Irish on their schedules.
Sounds eerily similar, doesn't it?
You could be referring to some episode in the even more distant past, but that would make you even more wrong. Notre Dame guarded its independence fiercely for a hundred years until that aborted negotiation.
They stuck to independence after Yost and then Crisler told them to go pound salt in regards to joining the Big10.
Some other notable quotes for you:
Mike Hart felt, "You can't be considered a great back until you perform against Notre Dame."
Lloyd Carr, who was 5-4 against Notre Dame, said, "Any player who gets an opportunity to play in that game whether it be at Michigan or Notre Dame or any guy that gets to coach in those games, when he walks out there, there's a realization of how lucky he is."
QB Elvis Grbac, when asked if Michigan were to go 1-11 which team would he want the one victory to come against, answered without hesitation: "Notre Dame."
"When we lose to Notre Dame, it is so disheartening. It leaves a bitter taste you can't seem to get out of your mouth," said DT Tony Henderson in 1994.
Gerald Ford (UM, '33) said of the rivalry, "It's good for Michigan, it's good for Notre Dame, and it's good for college football."
I assume you mean you'd rather see UM vs Notre Dame, but there's more history in both the ND-MSU series and the ND-Purdue series? Notre Dame's record against Purdue is 33-9 since 1970. That's better than the Michigan series? Why?
I worded it wrong, I meant to say I would like to see UM over Purdue.
OK, so you think that. Do you have a reason? Michigan fans have two big reasons for assigning blame. The first is the notice of termination that Jack Swarbrick handed to Dave Brandon on September 22, on the sidelines of the football field literally minutes before the game began. The second is Swarbrick's own admission that he, not Brandon, canceled the series. So...blame whoever but you thinking that UM was the culprit for the long breaks here is easily disproven.
The breaks I was referring to were instituted by Yost and then Crisler.
As for recruiting, on the current roster we hold 46 players who are not from the BIG footprint.
You should be happy the series is ending, phork. Michigan has owned notre dame. 5 out of the last 7 including two beatdowns.
I don't want ND in the B1G. You bring nothing in basketball, one of the most overrated teams consistently in hockey and a football program that has been returning to glory since 1989.
ND would have lost to ohio also. And it would have been by much much more than Michigan did especially if it was on the road.
Have fun with those new rivals Duke and Wake Forest.
I'm not happy about it. Believe me.
As far as basketball is concerned your most notable team was paid to play and didn't win anything.
And we would not have lost to OSU. They barely beat you. You, on the other hand, are on the road to another 10 straight losses to OSU. I wonder when they will tire of playing you guys? Scratch that, its an easy win for them on their schedule.
Now you're just trolling.
Kind of like how you got your shit waxed by USC?
Nice wishful thinking but that isn't gonna happen.You obviously have not been paying attention to recruiting. Neck and neck. Hoke is not taking shut from meyer. Hoke went 11-2 and won a BCS game with completely different players than the ones he is recruiting and his style of football is played. That was just a preview of the what will be the norm. Double digit wins, high profile bowls and dare I say playoff appearances.
Also in regards to basketball, the team went to the final four and finished #2. Elite. Tied for the most wins in program history and had the best player in the college game lead them there. Come find me when one-and-done Mike gets you outta the round of 64.
So you mean kind of like NDs mystical NC game appearance last year? The sun shines on every dogs ass once in awhile.
The problem here is that Urban is a superior coach. And by the time he is done putting his tramp stamp on the BIGs backs he will have set sail into the sunset.
Hoke went 11-2, yes. Backed into a BCS game based on popularity vs merit and beat a half assed team in VT. But a Sugar bowl is a Sugar bowl, good work.
8-5 the next year. Which is the outlier and which is the truth? Who knows. I always liked Hoke as a hire I think he'll do well. Double digit wins will be the norm? Wow. Put the refer down son.
Re-explaining how the defense you said was so good and was at least going to keep it close vs. Alabama allowed you to get waxed worse than we did by them? Your prognostication sucks.
Right so 2016 featuring @Texas, Stanford @MSU, Miami, USC, Virginia Tech, is a cup cake schedule?
No. But ND will lose all of those games by double digits.
You leave too?
There might be a bright side after all.
Bullshit, big ten has begged ND for many yrs to join but ur tooo freaking good, and want to be "the only" independent team left...and u guys havent been relevant since god knows when..last year was ur only good season since 2002 or something like that
Sounds like a chicken, acts like a chicken, must be a chicken.
Right?
A guy Tweeted in saying Michigan Marching Band should play "Chicken Dance" when ND takes the field.
Please, please, oh please.
Like the Ohio Bobcat mascot that tackled Brutus in Ohio State's own stadium, they will be eternal legends, overshadowing whatever discipline they are given.
Do it.
got excite.Que the apes....
Espn front page now. This will ruffle some chicken feathers (do chickens have feathers?).
Ever since ND snubbed the Big Ten I've been in favor of all B1G teams dumping them from the schedule. Let them play MAC schools, Navy and Air Force.
Let's extend the middle finger back and drop them in ALL sports. Red has already said hockey will not play them unless it's in the NCAAs. Already got bigger fish to fry with ND's conference foes BC, BU, UMass-Lowell and UNH all on the schedule this coming season.
Baseball, soccer and every other sport should drop them.
They already have been ducking us in basketball since Michigan beat them in a home and home in the mid 00s.
Replaced you with Texas.
Pete Sampson and TJ34 confirmed a rumor on Irish Illustrated that Notre Dame and Texas are close to agreeing on a ten year deal. Sampson expects it to he announced in the coming weeks or months with him and TJ agreeing that final sign offs from Texas are all that's left. TJ said it "effectively replaces Michigan, and could be a deal that would get redone in future years depending on how things go quite a bit down the CFB road, obviously. It's a deal both sides want very much. Could see something along the lines of 4 games each home and home, with a couple as "Shamrock Series" equivalents in pro stadiums such as Jerry World (Dallas) and Soldier Field. Something like that TBD."