Was a funny read.
no, YOU'RE off topic
Was a funny read.
It's filtering through the rest of the programs as well. It's more than just Beilein now referring to Ohio as "Ohio." It's more than vocabularly changes. It's a different expectation. And I thoroughly believe Beilein deserves a fair amount of credit too, he just needed a like-minded leader at the helm of the flagship program, football. The two of them combined: wow. If you are a mom, how could you not want your kid to be part of this family? If you are a recruit, how can you not want to join in the success and the love these teams have for each other?
^^^^This. When is the last time you remember seeing arguably the highest profile athlete on campus showing up at so many other sporting events(at any school). They arent rushing in and rushing out either they are in the middle of the Rage and COY. This just says to me that the family atmosphere we keep hearing about is more than just talk.
Why did you mention RichRod and not the years before him? Hoke has done more than the last 10 years of Lloyd Carr as well.
The program had been on the decline for sometime before RR. Carr's last few years featured diminished recruiting, diminished coaching and diminished success. 2006 was a bit of a mirage in a desert of steady decline for the team before RR drove the team off a cliff.
Hoke now has thinks back to where they were in the 80's and 90's and I couldn't be happier.
The diminished success in Lloy'd's last few years on the field were most specifically against Ohio and in bowl games. Michigan played in 3 Rose Bowls out of Lloyd's final 5 seasons. With that said, Lloyd never had to come in and take over a program that had reached its lowest point. The job Hoke is going to do and has already done is remarkable.
In fairness, Hoke hasn't "had to come in and take over a program that had reached its lowest point" either. That thankless job fell to Rich Rod who was handed the keys to a broken and dysfunctional program. When Hoke took over he had the following things that Rich Rod did not have:
1. Full Support from media and football alumni
2. Full support from Lloyd Carr - look how much we've seen and heard from him compared to Rich Rod era
3. 11 returning starters on Offense and upperclass Denard - RRod had Sheridammit/Threet and virtually every important skill position was completely inexperienced on O.
4. Functional RB's
5. Upperclass on D - not that RRod knew what to do with them but at least he didn't hand over a Freshman ladened group.
6. Total implosion at OSU with their "all world" QB and HC running for cover.
7. Total implosion at PSU which continues today.
Hoke walked into the perfect situation and I am glad he has taken the opportunity and made the most of it.
Things are looking up so let's please get over the previous regime and focus on team 133.
Full support from Lloyd Carr - look how much we've seen and heard from him compared to Rich Rod era
While I don't doubt that Carr supports Hoke, I don't remember him saying a whole lot about him publicly. Most of the time we've seen Carr, it's had to do with him getting coaching awards.
Hoke did an outstanding job. A year ago at this time, no one (myself included) had us winning 11 games and a BCS bowl - and yet all those things you listed were evident.
Oh wait; there are no reporters embedded with Hoke. Well, then, we can wait until Lloyd Carr writes his own book and answers all of the detailed questions from determined reporters and resourceful bloggers and... No, wait that's another thing that isn't happening anytime soon.
A year ago at this time, no one (myself included) had us winning 11 games and a BCS bowl - and yet all those things you listed were evident.
Correction; Rich Rodriguez and John U. Bacon both predicted 9 or 10 regular season wins. They weren't asked about a "BCS bowl", but then again the way that Michigan got itself into a BCS bid (basically on the basis of fan support/marketing/$$$) versus a Cap One bowl bid in 2012 didn't have much to do with Hoke, apart from having achieved the requisite 10 win regular season. As predicted by at least two guys.
You honestly think Rodriguez was ever going to say that he thought the team was going to fail? Of course he's going to say 10 win season. If they got it, he could say he knew it all along and that it was because of his foundation. If they didn't he could say he could have done it and he shouldn't have been fired. Saying 10 win season was win-win for him. But who is going to take a man who had a defense and special teams at or near the bottom seriously? Who is going to listen to a person that had 3 dismal seasons, each of which got worse as the seasons progressed.
It's evident that you're a Rich Rod fan. I respect that. Yeah, the man wasn't treated well during his time here. I get it. If he had Jeff Casteel, perhaps things would have been different. I understand that. But in the end, it didn't work out. Three terrible seasons. Miles isn't liked at LSU, but he wins. Saban burned bridges at a lot of places he coached at, but he wins. Just because the environment is hostile, doesn't mean you can't win. Just because you have players that don't match the scheme you want to a tee, doesn't mean you can't win. Team 132 was an example of that.
I don't get why every single thread that has an iota of praise for Hoke has to be turned into a "Rich Rod was a victim" by you. Hoke and his staff were successful in their own right. The defense went from one of the worst in the country to one of the best. The special teams went from missing field goals and botching punts to winning games. Hoke is loved by his players - players that he didn't recruit that were very loyal to Rich Rod. But he got them to buy in and he earned their respect.
If you're on a one man mission to tear Hoke apart, have fun with that. But it's insanely hypocritical to lash out at people who are dismissive of Rich Rod while yourself going on Hoke rampages.
Much like his devoted followers on here, I will forever remember him clamoring before the season that our team was too small to compete for a Big Ten title...then this very team went out and matched his second best season ever. For a man who likes to stay out of the spotlight, this was his smug little way of sticking it to RR - and in turn, Michigan football players, whom he's supposed to be a mentor towards - after he was out the door. He's a world class bitter old man. But lets keep trotting him out at games to support a team he didn't believe in.
Also, once Denard stayed, Mattison signed and Ohio imploded, rational fans knew and predicted this team - with its bevy of starters and weak schedule - would win at least 9-10 games. The doom and gloom was just a combination of Hoke doubters and RR haters who either didn't believe that A. the coach was good enough or B. the players he was left with were good enough. Anyone who gave Hoke a chance and didn't buy into Lloyd's mentality about team 132 should have seen a good season coming as long as Borges didn't try and turn Denard into something he wasn't.
I truly love this man. And that's hilarious that he was yelling at the refs for the bad calls.
The only thing that could have been any better is if he would have pointed at Bilas to make him stfu.
Brady Hoke= delicious Buckeye tears for everyone.
Any pics of the football team in the stands? You could barely see them on tv. Who's was the yoked guy with his shirt off?
Kenny Demens. He's huge.
Don't ever doubt Hoke. Ever.
Hoke = El Guapo. Senores y Senoras, we now have a 'plethora' of commits.
On one side Urbandoucheface says he has a decent class after signing day. Hoke says he loves the kids he recruited and brought in a lot of talent. How can parents not see through the bullshit Urbandoucheface puts out to the recruits?
Are you kidding? We are now more than one third of the way through this recruiting class and still no 5 stars. What is everyone so happy about? This is UNACCEPTABLE. I liked Hoke when we won the Sugar Bowl, but everything since then from the outrageous celebration on was DISGUSTING. I am very disappoint. Fire Hoke.
have done exactly what they needed to do. Get the word out that Michigan is back and get your players to fit your system. Hoke, Mattison, Hecklinski(recruiting head), Borges, Jackson, etc. all deserve a round of applause for the work they put in day in day out for Michigan.
I cannot remember a one day recruiting haul like this ever happening before, especially a year from signing day. With all of the sales pitches and promises this kids will hear, most of them will at some point recognize who genuinely wants them there for the good of the player and the school versus who wants them there to bolster their record and their wallet. Brady Hoke was by far the best man for the job, because he wants to win for Michigan, not for Brady Hoke. Great day. Goodnight. Go Blue!
As soon as I heard Brady Hoke speak, I knew he'd be the right man for this program. I had no idea it'd be to this extent that he's absolutely kicking ass so soon.
I went back and read post on this board when Hoke was hired. Boy there were some pessimistic folks around that day. I thnk it all started to change after his press conference. When he got up there and did his thing, you could tell this guy was going to do great things. He's passionate about Michigan and it's traditions and expectations. Like an assistant of his from SDSU said "The question isn't will Brady Hoke win a national title at Michigan, the question is when he'll win it?"
I wanted to claw my eyes out when I heard that Brady Hoke was hired. I thought it was a failure and a copout on Dave Brandon's part.
I am very happy to say that I was dead wrong.
is that he's hired a great staff of talented assistant coaches, makes sure that they're all pulling in the same direction, and is letting them do their jobs. A HC is only as good as his assistants, and Hoke has that nailed.
The quality of his assistant coaches has also impressed me.
Just a group of humble, hard working guys that want to coach Michigan first, and their preferred schemes second.
That's huge, and IMO the primary reason RR failed. When you don't have assistants who can do their job competently, you run into whatever that defense was.
...if you replaced "have" with "hire".
Assistants don't fall from heaven. You choose them, and they choose you. Hoke is the reason we have this staff.
A million dollars for his dream DC is something Rich Rodriguez might have enjoyed.
And Rodriguez might also have enjoyed devoting all of his energy to recruting instead of battling a press-driven NCAA investigation.
I know that if I were a recruit, and sportswriters were debating when the head coach of a school that was recruting me might get fired, I'd cross that school off my list.
I don't mind all of the enthusiasm over Hoke; I do mind the fanboys' forgetting, or not understanding, history.
Totally agree with this.
And based on the ACs brought in by Hoke, one has to give credit to Brandon not just for the Hoke hire, but for SIGNIFICANTLY boosting the AC salary budget, allowing for great support (something RR never had, and the quality of his AC staff reflected that).
In fact, with the exception of Ohio, the entire B1G suffers from under compensation at the AC level, and will have some difficulty competing with the f'ing SEC as a conference until they follow Michigan's/Brandon's lead.
BTW, am I the only one that caught the misapplied SEC logo graphic ESPN put up fullscreen during the bball game last night?
Beat the Buttguys (what my young son calls the Buckeyes)
True, but Carr had even less money (for himself and staff) and that doesn't seem to prevent some from tagging him as responsible for the downward spiral. So let's just take money out of the equation and figure out which of the 3 staffs was unlike the other 2. That belongs to Rodriguez, with a different philosophy and set of priorities. Hoke and Carr are similar old school, line it up and knock the other guy on his ass kind of coaches.
...they're always nice to have, but Carr had less need of a million-dollar assistant than Rodriguez.
Not snark, or an insult--it's just the natural consequence of having an HC with essentially no knowledge or experience on one side of the ball.
"Tagging him as responsible" and "Having decline occur under his watch," are used interchangeably on the internets...
... But they don't quite mean the same thing.
And the standard upon which ACs are paid is a moving one. Michigan might have been at the average, heck even above average, in say Moeller's era.
But by the time of RichRod, CLEARLY we, and the rest if the B1G, were behind the SEC-driven times.
Now, thank goodness, we also seem to be lagging behind SEC oversigning, but I think most of us would agree that that's a Good Thing.
And note, my observation regarding AC salaries is not meant as a fig leaf for RR...
... Just to note that Brandon deserves some credit not just for Hokemania, but also his part in making a budget that allowed for MattesOwnage and Borgasm.
Given the choice of going back to RR but with these ACs vs. staying with Hoke, it's a no-brainer (thought I'd be curious to see what would happen...)! If for no other reason than Hoke's Michigan has less Josh Groban.
But the kick ass recruiting adds a point or two on behalf of Hoke.
And I genuinely do wish RR the best (except vs. B1G). But this team (AD, ACs, HC, general Mich Spirit) is SO much better.
Enjoy and appreciate the ride, gang. Just recognize it takes a LOT of people doing good work to provide it!
Let's hope Ziff doesn't read your post, he will start 10 threads about the worthlessness of assisstant coaches
I think the best thing about Hoke is that he's such a likeable, genuine, decent guy. If we had hired Harbaugh or Miles, the football program's ceiling would have been extremely high, but at the end of the day, they'd still kind of be assholes. In 14 months, Hoke has demonstrated that the football program's ceiling is just as high with him leading it, and there's no "but" involved.*
*except, hopefully, Jake
Ah, I see what you did there, funny stuff, funny
Even my Ohio friends, when I asked them who they considered a better person, chose Brady Hoke over Urban Meyer.
Reading this before the hire is what had me sold on Hoke.
<blockquote>"Brady Hoke loves hard. He loves his family, his players, his assistant coaches, Ball State football and Michigan football. You think winning 12 games and getting into the BCS conversation is difficult at Stanford? Try doing it at Ball State. ... Jim Harbaugh's 12–1 can't touch Brady Hoke's 12–1. ... Michigan is his destination job. He has no interest in auctioning himself off to the highest bidder. He loves Ann Arbor. He'd crawl on hot, broken glass to work inside Schembechler Hall as the head coach. ... He has an uncanny ability to get kids to believe in him and believe in themselves. He doesn't do it with smooth words. He's not smooth. He does it by being the same genuine person day after day. ... He connects. The kids hang on his words, respond to his tough love and accept his discipline." ~Fox Sports analyst and Ball State alumnus Jason Whitlock
Sitting in my car and hearing Brady's introductory presser is what had me convinced that Michigan just hired "Bo 2.0". My professor took attendance and needless to say, she accepted my excuse for being tardy that day.
ya turd that was the article I was referring to, made me fall in love with the guy. If anyone wants to feel extra mushy towards hoke on this glorious day give it a read, it will make you respect him even more. If that's possible at this point
My bad, I scanned the bored but I must have missed your post. But in all truth, reading that now makes me teer up even more now that I know what the mans really about.
Eight 4start recruits according to rivals.
Agree with everything. I only wish we could let the Lil Bro nickname go. I think we can all agree it didn't really end well for us... I know it will never go away now though.. I'd rather we just wiped the floor with everyone and didn't talk any trash or even acknowledge their whining. Kill em with kindness off the field and kill them with our superior strength and form tackling on the field. That is my dream.
and I believe it now more than ever. I think Hoke's affection for the school rubs off big time on recruits and their families. It seems like it's infectious. Kids don't just agree to play for Michigan, they are excited and they try to recruit other kids to join them
It's really nice knowing we have a head coach that's not using the position as a stepping stone to the NFL. It's also really nice knowing that we have a head coach that not only wants to win games but also teach his players how to be accountable and to be good people. Nice bonus that he can recruit!
Not only is he bringing in good talent, he is bringing in good kids that share his enthusiasm for Michigan, and he is really establishing a band of brothers type atmosphere here. January 3rd was just a harbinger of things to come. The future is indeed bright with him here.
big fan of RR and was bummed when he was treated badly and let go.
I was NOT a fan of the Hoke hire and thought we "settled" when we could not land Miles or Harbaugh.
I am much harder to win over than most. All Hoke has done so far is win with RR's players and the most dynamic player in CFB ( Denard of course ).
I am fully convinced RR would have had a great season too had he been kept on.
As for recruiting....Hoke has done well as far as "on paper" and star rating if you believe in those. The proof as to him being a great coach and recruiter is a few years away yet.
Lets not deify him just yet. If he really is the next Bo....we will know soon enough.
With all that being said.....is it possible i was just totally wrong about the Hoke hire?
It sure as hell is looking that way.
He seems to be a totally capable coach and a first class person.
Sometimes being wrong does not hurt all that much. And crow....with the right seasoning....is not that horrible either.