judgement on the defense until we have an offense that can make first downs and let the D rest. Just my opinion. Example: Our D played very well against MSU for a half of football. MSU scored almost all their points in the 2nd half when our D didn't have time to take a breather.
Bowl odds sliding towards K-State (Gardner's injury a factor)
The offense could move the ball and get first downs against OSU, Indiana, Penn State, and Akron for the most part and the defense still got shredded in all those games.
Defense was a disappointment this year.
But see- we moved the ball too quickly in those games. So we scored, but we were still back out on D too soon. Can't you see this is all Borges' fault for not knowing the optimal time for a possession and holding our players accountable to that time!
Indiana and OSU: Yes, definitely.
Akron: Yes, definitely moved the ball too easily, but they still only scored 17 points. This was a game where if we had even an average Big Ten offense, we win something like 42-17. Our offense gained a lot of yards, but didn't do anything with them.
Penn State: Not really. 9 points came in overtime. 14 more came on drives that started within the Michigan 20 yard line. They hit two field goals from 39 and 42 yards out and had two touchdown drives over 60 yards. They also forced three turnovers and scored a touchdown. The defense did more than enough to win this game.
You also have to look at each unit and their personnel throughout the season. The defense was playing without Jake Ryan for half the season and when he did come back, he wasn't 100%. They had to play without their most talented lineman in Pipkins from Minnesota on. In the second half against Iowa, they lost Morgan and Ross and Iowa mounted a comeback. Against OSU, Ross missed the entire game.
The offense was missing...Dileo (who they didn't use anyway, because he obviously wasn't talented enough to fit into Borges plan /s) for part of the season. And you could count Darboh I guess, but no one knows anything about him.
I said it in another post, but the defense did more than enough to win 9 games this year. You could say the same about the offense for maybe 5-6 games.
The same could be said for many games during the RR era.
only left the ball on the wrong side of the field against Iowa. What really hurt Michigan were the 65, 75, 85, and 97 yard drives the D was giving up against almost all comers. The offense can't help out the D if the D is on the field giving up a 75 yard drive.
you are correct but MSU's drives to end the first half and the drive to start the second were killers.
The defense gave up a lot of points, but damn if they didn't make teams work for it. They forced teams to make NFL throws, and our opponents made them. When they didn't, the defense capitalized. They got run over by Carlos Hyde but damn near everyone did.
On the flip side the offense wasn't even holding their own for much of the season so much as get completely manhandled. As the season wore on, MSU's young offense improved whereas Michigan's got worse.
Mattison implemented a very simple scheme his young unit could execute and walked the fine balance between bend and break until the offense completely failed and then they imploded against an A+ offense. Borges got all gimmicky with his young line and had to keep dumbing it down until they were running high school slide protections against the toughest defenses in the B1G.
Neither side was great, but the defense isn't what keeps me up at night.
The defense gave up a lot of points, but damn if they didn't make teams work for it. They forced teams to make NFL throws, and our opponents made them.
I bought that line after the ND game ("Rees is just an improved passer") but it continued to happen all year. Truth be told, most QBs nowadays can make almost any throw. You can't count on them to screw up on their own.
TeamRankings and Massey still haven't moved too much from their initial projection of Kansas State being favored by 3.5 points, although Massey gives a projected median score of 34-30 to TeamRankings' 30-26, so the models say slightlight different things about the outcome. Both project Michigan's estimate win probability at about 40% as well, which I think is down a smidge from when the bowls were first announced. Interestingly, using Sagarin ratings, as I recall (having not done the math for a week now), the projected difference was only 2.2 points or something in that range.
This seems to be a disjointed thread.
Good word. Appropriate usage. I'd up-vote that if I wasn't on my phone.
At this point, I just want to watch another game. As disappointing as our season was, it's been too long since we've played and it will be far too long until we play again (and then a year after that until we have a decent home game). Borges stays; Borges goes...Gardner plays; Gardner sits. Hoke wears sunscreen; Hoke gets a burn. Doesn't matter. I just want to watch another game.
Always watch the team. Always
At least we know Hoke will be hungry.
I hate all the comments that are convinced we will lose if Shane starts. Give the kid and team some support. Prove them wrong, Shane.
Go Morris!! I'm with you. I also think he'll do just fine as long as he has at least a little time to throw. I'm betting the O line will put up a decent performance.
It just really depends on which O-line shows up. A lot of what helped DG in situations was his ability to escape and pick up yards with his feet. Morris can't really do that.
Shane can move around. He's not Denard or Devin by any stretch, but I remember watching some of his highlight reels from high school, and the kid can move and pick up some yards when plays break down.
I wouldn't expect much in the way of QB draws with Shane at the helm, but he's not a statue in the backfield, either.
by nose tackles about 1/2 way through the season and I think it's fair to say that he was playing injured for most of the season given his severely decreased foot speed. I would think Morris would have at least comprable foot speed to what Gardner displayed during the season given the injuries.
the year, 2000. Drew Henson suffered a toe injury during fall camp and RS Freshman John Navarre starts the season. He was pretty successful too, winning games big over Bowling Green and Rice. Henson was questionable for the trip out west, UCLA was scheduled. Turns out Henson was still out. No problem though, UCLA was 4-7 the year before and Navarre, with two games under his belt plus having more than a year in the program, could handle the Bruins.
Turns out he couldn't and neither could the Michigan D. UCLA won 23-20.
The D actually played decently that day, despite some brutally hot weather. The killer was that we missed two FGs (and a PAT, if I remember correctly). Hayden Epstein was about the most Jekyll/Hyde kicker ever, capable of making from 55 and missing from 25.
Said the staff was returning, right? Seems to be a man of his word. And honestly, why does Gardner need to practice to play? I'm sure he'll play. Michigan rolls.
He said most likely or something like that. He was not absolute about it so it gives him an out if does make a change
Said he, "anticipates that everyone on the staff will return next year." When asked again, he replied, "correct." So there may be some gray area there, but seems unlikely. I still think we beat ksu by at least 10 points.
If we get blown out, look horrible on the field or the coaches look unprepared, any of you think change then is necessary with the coaching staff? Even with DG possibly out, we should hold our own, but with the losses still fresh in my mind from this past season, I am weary.
He also said Gardner was returning which doesn't appear to be definite anymore
Gardner will return.
I still think changes are needed regardless of this game
Even with DG possibly out, we should hold our own
What do you base this on? Without DG, I don't think this is a bowl-caliber team.
As we all remember from the beginning of the season, we looked like the best team in the conference against ND, CMU and some-what Minny. So going off what we saw in September, we could be, and a KSU team that isn't the same without Klein, I figure even if we do lose, that we still would keep it a respectable game. Unless of course, Al goes tackle over on us. I agree that this team looks more and more like a sub caliber team, but we should hold our own.
But those impressions were to a large extent based on the belief that Gardner was a Heisman-caliber QB. Without our QB it's a totally different story. That's true for most teams for that matter.
Hire a good QB coach.
The scuttlebutt suggests Devins injury is turf toe. He plays. And destroys. He is building confidence once again. A confident Gardner is a dangerous Gardner
A dangerous Gardner has many (sharp) tools.
"We talkin' bout practice"
KSU is favored because their program started slow and got better. We are opposite we started fast and tanked. One team plays in the 3rd best conference and the other the worse. One teams starting QB is healthy and the other is hurt.
In regards to injuries, every team loses some key players. Expecting not a single injury is just not realistic.
the line favoring Kansas State means they are trying to attract more MIchigan money, it is not the result of a computer program.
So at this point the market, at least the portion of it that is willing to put money behind their opinion, expects KSU to win by 3. On what would that assessment be made other than expected on field performance?
If the version of the O-Line we saw against OSU shows up in the bowl game, we've got a great chance, regardless of who is at the helm. Yes, we'd have a better chance with a Gardner because he has the experience, but I'd be excited to see what Shane can do.
The only negative part in that scenario is, if we win, and Shane looks good doing it, we might have a bit of a QB controversy heading into next Fall. But we'll cross that bridge when/if we get to it.
That be a problem? Competition makes everyone better. I'd rather next years qb compete for the job than just be handed the job.
Many Morris will be really good? By now, he's barely a true freshman anymore.
is the shit.
From my co-workers who are KSU football fans and KU basketball fans! They all are predicting a relatively easy KSU win by more than 10 points! I hope not.
of Trey's shot in the NCAAs last March -- that ought to shut 'em up!
So the rumor that Tom Brady is going to retire to become our OC next season is true?
and I'm optimistic about the outcome, no matter what 2013 has given us so far.
I've never been less sure of what I would see in a bowl game. There are times when I've been surprised (i.e. 2008 vs. Tebow) because it wasn't what I was expected, but I can't think of another game when I really had no idea what kind of product would be on the field.