Our class is going to be ranked Top # in the country if we finish with who I think we can.
Bosch, Taco, Dawson all get bumps in new 247 update.
Yeah, especially considering some of our higher rated prospects - Isaac, Treadwell, various LBs, etc are still uncommitted.
Hate to be Debbie Downer, but we don't have the scholarship numbers for a #1 class this year (at least for Rivals). That being said, I don't know how many teams have started with 10 of 11 consensus 4* guys. That is pretty freakin' incredible.
I meant to say Top 3 class
At the rate we are going (won't continue at this rate...is it possible?), we will have 20 four stars and 2 three stars. Numbers or not that might be able to be a number 1 class. Although Alabama will have a similar ration except with 25 recruits. Damn SEC.
Well, we'll have more than 2 3-star guys, but we might not have more than 4 or 5.
It's almost a guarantee Shane ends up a 5 star to probably every site (he is top 20 to both 247 and Rivals, and is a 5 star on Scout and ESPN), and Bosch and Fox both have a good shot at being 5 stars too. If we can pull Isaac, he will likely be a 5 star as well, so some of those 4 stars will be 5, which will make the class even better.
Isaac, Treadwell, Levenberry all have shots at getting the hallowed fifth star. If we can reel in Pocic as well to finish off of the OL class, we could have 4-5 five-stars.
Yeah Michigan has that kind of power. How could a recruiting site question the wisdom of The Hoke.
...that when recruits see this, questions cease.
Actually, this sort of builds on the discussion about Michigan's momemntum from last night in that the positive nature of last season's results is breeding a positive perception of the program and the people who commit to it, and that hopefully sways others.
Bama will be tough to beat for the top spot in the country I think, but we should have a top 5 class.
I too think Bama comes out on top again this year. But, 2013 looks to be a legendary class. I can't say this enough, but Shane Morris is doing work for us right now.
I think it will be Bama #1 but Ohio and Michigan will fight for that 2 spot
I do not have as much faith in Bama this year. We beat them out for three OL recruits. I know they have the Scholarship #s behind them but I think our quality will be better.
When you land the top 2 recruits in the country, you are doing very well.
They are both freaks too. Bama is an unstopabble machine when it comes to recruiting.
Does Shane's recruiting prowess make him a dual-threat QB?
I have been thoroughly impressed with Michigan's ability to diagnose talent at an early level so far. It seems almost every recruit gets bumped up by the experts during the course of the recruiting cycle. Without being able to spot premium talent before everyone else last weekend isn't possible IMHO.
It looks like Elmer took a decent drop(maybe 20ish spots) down to #44. Apparently he did not perform that well at the recent midwest combine.
No, 247 is just being proactive in "bust"-ing ND players.
I get the feeling that Tom Lemming's list will be very different.
excellent to see them getting due recognition. I think dawson is slept on a lot and does this mean taco will take objemudia spot? Im too lazy to do research on how mario was ranked but i liked his film better than taco's.
Someone give me their thoughts on Taco VS Ojmabooty
If Charlton starts over Ojemudia it will have nothing to do with this rating bump... Or ratings in general.
iwasnt trying to imply that I was just wondering who did the sites think was better AND whether you guys had on opinion of who will see field first
It looks like Taco is the favorite among the sites, but I would guess that Ojemudia sees the field first, partly because he'll get there a year earlier and partly because Taco is still pretty raw in terms of technique.
Carefull you might get a death stare from Mario.
I don't think anyone is taking anyone's spot since neither guy is even there yet. They are both being recruited for essentially the same position, so they'll compete with each other. However, Beyer and Clark are there now, and both will be sophs this fall, so neither of them will be needed early on. This is good, since both Ojemudia and Charlton will need some time to develop, Mario because of weight, Taco because of technique.
Based on body type, it sounds like Taco has the higher ceiling, but Mario has a motor that has been raved about, and he's been crazy productive as a high schooler.
It will be interesting to see how Mattison plays both of them. I could see Mario going in as a pass rushing SAM in passing situations, and Taco being better in run defense based on his size.
What's going on with Lewis's lack of love? Everyone says he's the best of the Cass Tech guys but he's only ranked by rivals, and not that highly.
He is a 4 star to 247. Scout hasn't even come out with a full list and who knows about ESPN.
At least watching his highlight film, I'm more impressed with Lewis' athletic ability than the previous Cass corners. If he goes to some combines, I bet he will move up. I also wonder if his slight build is dropping him a little. I'm more happy that he has some height. Weight can be added, height not so much.
How mad were you that you dropped in the rankings?
Terry Richardson was tiny and still rated pretty highly. I still think Lewis moves up in the rankings. If he doesn't, I'm not too concerned because many have said he might be the best CB to come out of Cass.
I wasn't mad at all. In fact, as long as I remain a ND commit, I hope I completely drop out of the top 100, and have a healthy but marginal career, losing to UM every time.
Rivals rates him higher than they rated both Richardson and Hollowell...
"Oh Michigan offered him a scholarship?? Well upon further review of his film clearly this guy should be in the top 100. We totally knew that, we just hadn't gotten around to updating it yet. Seriously guys, we were just about to get to it. We're very credible"
IMO, 247 has the least lazy approach. They view their entire list as being fluid and they make moves up and down based on new tape, live analysis of games/camps/combines.
I'm not saying they are better than the others, but they update their rankings the most. While the other services only update them once every couple months.
Realistically, they probably review film again when players commit in addition to periodic reviews of everyone. This helps keep the list fluid (which fans love) and ensures that no one's getting ignored. After all, all of these kids will commit eventually.
Turn it around when you have a 3 star with big offers he probably should be bumped up.
for Michigan's 2013 class means guessing what 16- and 17-year-olds will be like as red-shirt sophomores or juniors in 3 or 4 years. I've got 17-year-old identical twins who are juniors in high school. Both are in the middle of visiting college campuses, taking SAT prep courses, etc. They have both won recognition as thespians, getting rave reviews in big parts before big audiences at a major HS. If you ask me how will they do at 'the next level', however, I could not predict their level of success. Although they are very competitive (especially with each other), I can't predict their future desire to succeed will carry them through future ordeals and challenges in their chosen field. So it is with Michigan' current #1 class of 2013. I wish all the young men tremendous collective and individual success despite the impossibility of reliably predicting it.
They may update their rankings more frequently than the other sites, but their team ranking algorithm seems to have some flaws, at least at this stage of the game. How is Texas A&M ranked higher than Michigan and Florida with significantly fewer 4 star recruits but comparable numbers overall? It seems that overall number of commits is disproportionally valued. I don't think anyone would take Texas A&M's currrent class over Michigan's or Florida's, which are ranked 2 and 3, respectively.
calculates their team rankings is suspect when trying to anticipate the final class comparisons. It would seem their rankings should factor in a variable for time remaining before signing day. The shorter the time frame, the more weight a school's recruiting class size should bear on its overall team ranking.
You are correct about that. Michigan has already accumulated about 90% of the points it will eventually earn in that system. I believe they mentioned it's set to count the top 17 commits in a class. They may adjust that number later in the year after most teams have surpassed that amount of commits.
"Each recruit is weighted in the rankings according to a Gaussian distribution formula (a bell curve), where a team's best recruit is worth the most points. You can think of a team's point score as being the sum of ratings of all the team's commits where the best recruit is worth 100% of his rating value, the second best recruit is worth nearly 100% of his rating value, down to the last recruit who is worth a small fraction of his rating value. This formula ensures that all commits contribute at least some value to the team's score without heavily rewarding teams that have several more commitments than others.
Readers familiar with the Gaussian distribution formula will note that we used the value 6 for σ because this was the standard deviation for total number of commits between schools as they were ranked during the 2011 recruitment year, the year this formula was developed. This standard deviation creates a bell curve with an inflection point near the average number of players recruited per team."
So basically it de-values depth, diminishing the relative increased value of our 4-star recruits Vs A&M's 3-star recruits the further down the list you go.
Each recruit is weighted in the rankings according to a Gaussian distribution formula (a bell curve), where a team's best recruit is worth the most points. You can think of a team's point score as being the sum of ratings of all the team's commits where the best recruit is worth 100% of his rating value, the second best recruit is worth nearly 100% of his rating value, down to the last recruit who is worth a small fraction of his rating value. This formula ensures that all commits contribute at least some value to the team's score without heavily rewarding teams that have several more commitments than others.
Readers familiar with the Gaussian distribution formula will note that we used the value 6 for σ because this was the standard deviation for total number of commits between schools as they were ranked during the 2011 recruitment year, the year this formula was developed. This standard deviation creates a bell curve with an inflection point near the average number of players recruited per team.
So basically, it's a numbers thing. We have a much higher average. It's not something to be too concerned about this early in the process.
i am still smiling from the weekend! wow
Woot! The most camp film that is shown, the better these will all turn out. In reality, it doesn't really matter how they are ranked, but it does make it nice. Shows the obvious care that Michigan puts into learning about the potential of these new recruits!
We have a good shot at having every single one of our recruits as 4 stars and and in the rivals 250 but 2 (hill and dukes) That is great, and either way with bama having 25 5 and 4 stars some of those will have to sit, that rates our class as even with theirs
3 of these guys will be 4 stars on scout then book it!!!GO BLUE!!!
Hoke sure does know how to read talent. Its really unbelievable because all of these kids are so young and developing. Some kids have the size and build but are very raw. Other kids have a huge growth spurt and may just start to get noticed by their senior year. Then you have the sleeper kids that never got the exposure that most talented kids did. For whatever reason, their team may not play in a big conference. Hoke has shown that he can identify all of these types of kids.
I wish Hoke would point those fingers at my bank account...
...I might have some money.
Consensus Number 1 on every single site, probably going to be 4 more that pop up before the years over.
I just noticed Dymonte Thomas moved up to #40 overall on 24/7 rankings. I believe he was #77 previously.
Edit: LTT moved up too. Can't remember what he was but he's #89 overall now.
Now please get Ty Issac... Please