frank beamer #1
The defense has really let the team down. If the defense would have had last drive stops against PSU and NE we would have had 2 more wins despite the offensive problems. I guess I'm more disappointed in the bend but often break defense! I knew the offense would be so so given the interior line youth.
I hope this is sarcastic. A defense that gives up 17 points to Nebraska should always be in good shape against the worst run defense in the Big Ten. The defense has given the offense PLENTY of chances to win ball games.
Stop NE on that last game winning drive and we win 13-10. Stop an awful PSU offense from scoring the tying TD and we win that game. The defense did step up against Akron to prevent a loss.
For the most part the defense has carried this team with the exception of Indiana. The offense needs to get more than 17 points against that defense. PSU I guess is a tossup but I would say play calling was the main culprit there.
I agree that the defense has given up drives at inoppertune times but they've also been placed in a lot of tough situations with turnovers and bad field position and come up strong.
not placed in awful positions when State marched down the field to end and start the halves. That was the ballgame...you don't give State's defense a two score lead against a young offense. And yet after that game all anybody did was bitch about Borges.
If Gibbons make one of those FG in OT we win. Against Nebraska if we were able to get a first down or two we get a TD instead of a FG.
Thats an incredibly short sighted way of looking at it. Had it not been for the defense holding strong against Nebraska, it would have been a blow out. Maybe theres some argument to PSU, but we were one mis-timed jump from sealing that game. Then the D actually won it twice in overtime, only to be let down by offesnse. Even MSU, you could not expect any more out of a D that was constantly starting inside their own 50 and watching one 3 and out after another.
SCORE SOME F&#KING POINTS
in both cases the defense shouldn't have been in those spots. Considering the absolute youth across the board on defense, Mattison and his defense is not an issue at all. Maybe the only guy with almost zero fault, imo. Didn't always pass the eye test but got being on the field so much since his arrival, we're always top 20 in almost every category if not higher.
Damn defense. If they would just shut every team out, we'd be undefeated right now. Such a let down.
Right. Historically bad performances from the offense and the defense is the problem. Gotcha.
There is no question that the offense has let the team down and they were by far the biggest issue. However, don't be totally blind to the issues with the defense. They gave up 10 points early against NE, then tightened up and played great only to have a let down against a 3rd string QB when it mattered most.
The exact same thing happened against PSU, then they started to blitz in the 2nd half and Michigan got a 10 point lead into the 4th qtr. That should have been enough to win, but they let a freshman QB pick them apart, once they let up on the pressure.
Against MSU they looked good early, then let up and didn't put any pressure on the first year starting QB just before the half and to start the 2nd half. After that it was game over. If they had played an aggressive style like MSU that is a different game. They probably still lose, but it is not a blow out.
The defense has definitely played a role in the 3 losses. The point is that there was no reason to let up. It was working, stay with it.
This isn't a good sign either, may people said that we will get tired of Mattison's bend don't break defenses that fail many times in the 4th quarter. Sigh...a lot of things we heard about these coaches are coming true.
Can anyone really fathom how Al Borges has been employed by BCS level institutions for the past 20-ish years?
Well, he did engineer an offense that averaged 40+ in the Pac-10 (UCLA in 2000 and 2001) and an offense that averaged 30+ in the SEC while going undefeated (Auburn in 2004). In the process, he turned Cade McNown and Jason Campbell into first round NFL draft picks. Dude has a great track record, he just doesn't seem to be working out at Michigan.
Those halycon days at UCLA were actually 1997 and 1998. In 1999, UCLA and Borges averaged 20.9 ppg.
He had one year at Cal (2001), in which the team went 1-10. The offense averaged 18.3 points per game (105th of 117). Everyone was fired.
He then had two years at Indiana under Gerry DiNardo (2002 and 2003), in which the teams went 3-9 and 2-10. In 2002, they averaged 21.5 points per game (95th of 117). In 2003, they regressed, averaging 14.8 points per game (115th of 117).
Despite that, somehow he was hired by Tuberville at Auburn. He inherited a roster with redshirt senior QB first round pick Jason Campbell, senior RB first round pick Cadillac Williams (5th pick overall in 2005), and redshirt senior RB first round pick Ronnie Brown (2nd pick overall in 2005). With those pieces in place (and those players having been developed for three to four years by others), the 2004 Auburn offense ranked 18th of 120. With each year of Borges at the helm, it regressed: 30th in 2005, 56th in 2006, and 85th in 2007. Borges did not make it to the bowl game in 2007.
He did not coach in 2008.
You'll see a similar regression at Michigan: 27th in 2011, 58th in 2012. (I expect the Iowa and Ohio State games to lower our averages this year as well.) We are putting up 100 yards fewer per game. Our yards per play have regressed each year: 6.8 in 2010 (under RR); 6.2 in 2011; 6.1 in 2012; 5.6 in 2013 so far.
People who know more about football than I do can argue whether he makes the right calls, but the players keep messing things up; whether his offense would work in a perfect world, but recruiting or youth or something else is to blame; whether as someone in the field, he must be given five years at a stop to try to make things work, etc. I simply would like people to know his actual background. Just like when people say Hoke inherited a cratering program at Ball State and turned it around, when in truth, Ball State had gone 6-6 the prior two years under Bill Lynch, and Hoke spent four years trying to get back to .500, and went 7-6 in his fifth year.
Anyway, typing out these statistics is my form of running Touissant up the middle 27 times. Doubt it is having much effect, but feel compelled to do it anyway.
[Note: I see that you are saying he is not working out at Michigan, so I am not arguing with you; I would simply like more people to know more about his record.]
Thank you, Newtopos, for the very informative post. That's pretty damning evidence to counter those who ahve been defending Borges.
I'm no football expert either but when facts are brought out, they can be very convincing.
I remember being taken to task last year when I maintained that the jury should still be out on Hoke because, while he went 11-2 in 2011, he had a very mediocre win/loss record as a HC prior to coming to Michigan.
Actually, what scares me is that Hoke is starting to sound like Rod Marinelli did at the end in Detroit. A whole lot of "we've got to do a better job coaching" and "we didn't execute" and not a whole lot else of any substance.
Once Hoke starts talking about pad level, I'll jump off a bridge
If I hear "It's on me" a couple times a week, you're going to have to make room for me on that bridge.
That's all he ever talks about in the offseason (Technique, pad level, technique blah blah blah we're not going to be any better blah blah.)
Not all coaches who work their way up are capable of winning at a major college program. This is where your AD has to have done his homework to pick the right guy for your program. We won't be able to judge Hoke and staff for another 3 seasons. We'll see at the end of 2016. I don't like the trend. It looks like players are not developing and he is getting out coached but that could all change once his players are seniors.
Wrong. The coaches are able to be judged as soon as they walk in the door. You are being too fair. They have underachieved severely, especially on offense, and the defense hasn't made up for it.
where do you get the idea that it takes 5-6 years to judge a coach? RichRod was gone in 3. Urban is in his second seasson, after taking over a .500 team.......and he has yet to lose.
Would you feel confident about judging what kind of coach Urban is right now?
I suppose I don't understand how people forget that The Fort is being well-maintained, so reading much of anything into what is said at these pressers is going to quickly lead people to strange and unlikely conclusions. Even if Hoke or one of the coordinators was not pleased with someone, the answers regarding who and why will not be in these pressers, nor should you expect them to be really.
Criticisms - rightly so - will be made where you will not be able to hear them if indeed they are made, so I wouldn't just assume, for example, that Hoke is 100% on board with where the offense is headed. He may very well not be, and perhaps he's made that clear to Borges, but you will not know until some action - or inaction - occurs in the offseason perhaps, if anything does happen.
For now, it's probably better that we refrain from saying "excuses" or making a really strange comparison of this staff to its far less media-savvy presdecessor. Actually, try not to read much into them right now - this would be my advice.
Stop using logic LSA, logic is no longer welcome around here. Internet gonna internet.
As others have stated on prior threads, the coaching staff's answers sound like they are either lying or ignorant.
I think that is what he is saying -- they're not going to tell you the whole truth or share their "real feelings" at these things. It could only do harm. They're not going to go into specifics on gameplanning, call out specific player personnel changes or publicly question the long-term viability of some of the coaches. What do you want to hear?
You may be right, but unfortunately from my vantage point, the lack of improvement or, IMO, creativity offensively backs up what is said at pressers. Whether that is just an incorrect linking of two things or the fact that Hoke is indeed on board with the offense may never truly be known.
I wish this coaching crew would stop protecting the real culprit in all of this: adidas.
Hey, fun observation on Borges' press conference:
Borges offensive philsophy and baldness pattern cover the same regions of the field.
About that 2 power run play call after the turn over. All soft balls. Weak showing for the media here.
See, I LIKE Borges. I think he's a cool guy. Even during that press conference I enjoyed listening to him speak. I just wish he was a better coach.
When he talks, he doesn't give the impression of being clueless (frankly I get that from Hoke a bit more). The problem is that his smooth voice and intelligence don't seem to be translating to on the field performance very well...
Remember when there were rumors that Tulane (pretty sure it was them) was looking at Borges for a potential HC position and everyone (including myself) freaked about about the possibility of losing him? Oh how the times have changed...
I thought it was New Mexico or New Mexico State.
I agree with Borges. It's growing pains and a transition in which the entire offense was centered around ole number 16 is now exposed because Devin is not ole number 16.
Absurd comment. All we heard last year was how the offense was struggling because ole number 16 wasn't the right quarterback for Borges' system. Borges sucks and there's no other explanation for this mess we currently find the offense in.
It seems like Al is more concerned with using the games as additional practice time to get these guys to run "his stuff" - than he is with finding a way to adapt to his personnel and win because he had to deal with denard for two years and now devin (he is done being patient but expects us to be) Go ahead and bring on the "you really think Al doesn't want to win???" comments because I don't care anymore. He seems so stubborn he might not want the win unless it comes gift wrapped in Manball.
Why would anyone hope to hear anything of substance in a coach's presser?
He seems logical to me, simply stated.
Obviously I don't like what's happening this year, however I do believe that things will improve. At this point the 6 year review is going to be the point of reckoning for Hoke on down, and that we are along for the ride until then.
We all want this otherwizardly Ogenius to appear on his magic carpet and lead us to the promised land. But ya know what? Those guys all want to command HC salaries and not stay OCs. I'm good with a staff who doesn't really have somewhere else sunnier always in the back of their mind. I think we've all found a few of those in the working world who prioritize bucking for a promotion over actually developing proficiency or skill. I don't respect that in a work organization and I wouldn't respect that in an OC or HC. If we can backtrack to the elusive Jim Harbaugh...my position was if we got him it was a 3 year fix before we were all wringing our hands again.
The thing about the team has to hit on all cylinders to be successful is the common thread here. We have rarely done that. The greatest contributor may be the OL play. But as stated we didn't stick with a core of 5 thru thick and thin. And I'm ok with that too as i can see the dividends down the road (specifically build depth and experience rather than a core5 and ohhh sheet) It's never been stated but would it be plausible that the staff has made decisions to help them in 14 and 15 which sacrifices some of the top end win performance of 13? It's not a stretch for me. I make strategic decisions in my own job which is not football but is a complex game called manufacturing. The parallels are there in some form.
I've read many many posts inferring Borges is doing something akin to watching SpongeBob for most of his waking hours. I don't believe that for a second. The set of tools he has to work with right now are very small. Imagine a complex high speed servo machine with spring loaded ball bearings (thats supposed to strike fear in you LOL) you must service with a hammer and a prybar and a channel lock. You can develop the special tools to takes to become competent, but each one takes some level of iteration and time to get right. In the football case, bigger hammers and longer prybars work better too.
In the end, the coaching staff has to simply walk the talk. They have to keep grinding, developing the tools, every day. If they can do that and recruit as we already have I think we will be pleased in 2 years' time. If not, then Mr Brandon will get the chance for an iteration of his own.
+1 for humor
-1 for trolling
-1 for the syntax of your logic is NOK....a:b::c:d
Dumb I may be. Logic would suggest otherwise. But lets revisit in 2015.
You are forgeting next year. You would be ok with another year like this year then? With a fifth year senior at the most important position on the field?
There is never an optimal situation. Look at Alabama even they had issues with their O Line early on but they adjusted and got beter.
The coaches need to make the team better and call games that take advantage of the current roster.
responsibilty for the 4th and 2 fiasco.
Borges was all: we're doing it our way, even if the counters don't work, and this is the growing pain we have to go through. It's like Rich Rod in reverse (don't care that we've only won three games, we have to transition. / don't care that we have an all freshman defensive backfield, we're running the 3-3-5.)
Predict we'll spr3ad a little more this week because our opponent plays that way, and then stick our head in the sand for Manball versus Iowa. Doesn't matter for OSU ...
It's hard to find fault in a defense that gives up 17 points. Overall speed seems to be the major problem facing the defense.
Can say whatever they want at the pressers, but I think that Dave Brandon is so PR and image driven that now that the crowd has turned on our team that even though he won't publicly do anything, I think he may get Hoke alone and be like "dude, you gotta get Al straightened out" no coaching changes will be happening, but I think DB will begin putting his 2 cents in more and more - despite what he says about letting Brady do his thing.
You notice DB on the sidelines?
He's the real offensive coordinator. Borges is just a figurehead up in the press box down to coaching the QBs. DB is calling all the plays.
Yes I made this up.
Sounds kind of plausible to me.