completely predictable, won't play Denard and Devin at the same time for some reason and insists on running it up the middle for one yard losses
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Borges should be fired.
November 24th, 2012 at 4:15 PM
#1
Borges should be fired.
November 24th, 2012 at 4:16 PM
#2
"We want to get both on the
"We want to get both on the field on the same time because they are our best athletes"
-Al Borges
NEVER FUCKING DOES IT
November 24th, 2012 at 4:21 PM
#3
We need a 'scumbag Borges'
We need a 'scumbag Borges' meme
November 24th, 2012 at 4:17 PM
#4
His playcalling cost us at
His playcalling cost us at least a quarter of the game, he won't be fired but he was terrible today.
November 24th, 2012 at 4:19 PM
#5
Fuck that fat fucking piece
Fuck that fat fucking piece of shit. He shouldnt even make the bus ride back. He fuckinh sucks.
November 24th, 2012 at 4:17 PM
#6
Agree. Vincent up the middle
Agree. Vincent up the middle hasn't worked it 4 years. Pathetic.
November 24th, 2012 at 4:17 PM
#7
Argh
Rabble rabble rabble. It's the 2ns yr these guys have coached chill. It doesn't work like a video game
November 24th, 2012 at 4:20 PM
#8
Really?
Honestly look at the game. OSU made adjustments sure but it became obvious that when denard was QB he would run. Also we havent been able to run it up the middle all year, maybe against Illionis but thats it, so you do it agianst a better defense? Also you are moving the ball passing yet you go to the run? Borges should be fired.
OSU was giving us the game and borges gave it right back.
November 24th, 2012 at 4:19 PM
#9
Agreed
It was horrible. Stupid call after stupid call. Just horrible offensive coaching. Borges was the player of the game for Ohio.
November 24th, 2012 at 4:41 PM
#10
Agree
Insanity is defined as trying the same thing over and over and expecting different resutls...Therefore Borges=Insane.
November 24th, 2012 at 4:41 PM
#11
watch a Colorado game moran
watch a Colorado game moran
November 24th, 2012 at 4:18 PM
#12
Heiko,
Please hold him
Heiko,
Please hold him accountable in the presser.
November 24th, 2012 at 4:19 PM
#13
THIS
Ask him why every fan and announcer knew what he was doing was stupid, yet he did it anyways
November 24th, 2012 at 4:18 PM
#14
Ferentzed
Who had worse play calling in the second half this weekend...us or Iowa. Its close.
Ferentzed that one Borges
November 24th, 2012 at 4:47 PM
#15
It's a tie
With the win going to Al because he called a decent first half and then just totally shit the bed in the second. I thought Denard was going to run for 200 plus yards today but I forgot we have to protect his health for the Alabama game! Wait what? We already played Alabama...I'm losing my mind right now. FML
November 24th, 2012 at 4:18 PM
#16
Can we not be Michigan state
Can we not be Michigan state fans?
I didn't see Borges turn the ball over 4 times.
He called a shitty game, but denard is gone next year, so his cluelessness with how to use him will finally end.
November 24th, 2012 at 4:18 PM
#17
We were simply outplayed. Yes
We were simply outplayed. Yes Borges was predictable, but our offense lacks an elite RB to keep the defense honest.
November 24th, 2012 at 4:20 PM
#18
Ever heard of Denard
Ever heard of Denard Robinson? He had 124 yards rushing in the first half.
November 24th, 2012 at 4:18 PM
#19
We should have won this game
We should have won this game by 14 points or so if we were as versatile on offense as we were in the first half.
November 24th, 2012 at 4:19 PM
#20
Hated him all year.
I'm done
Hated him all year.
I'm done with him. Would love to see him go.
November 24th, 2012 at 4:19 PM
#21
For the first time, I
For the first time, I actually agree. He's just not a smart football coach. We were the better team, but the coaches did not put the players in a position to win.
November 24th, 2012 at 4:19 PM
#22
Hate to be that guy but totally agree
Creative against Fucking Iowa but leave it in the hangar in the biggest game of the year
November 24th, 2012 at 4:19 PM
#23
Mods?
There is already one thread for this leaky pants crying.
November 24th, 2012 at 4:20 PM
#24
those who defend Borges
on what grounds... he was awful today and except for a terrible Iowa team, when was the last time he called a great game? Made me sick to watch that second half... looked like the entire game against Alabama
November 24th, 2012 at 4:20 PM
#25
Damn straight
...
November 24th, 2012 at 4:20 PM
#26
Cosign with prejudice
Cosign with prejudice
November 24th, 2012 at 4:21 PM
#27
pack your shit
Fatso
November 24th, 2012 at 4:21 PM
#28
Hoke should be fired
He hired Borges. You wanted lloyd 2.0 and you got him. This looks very Carrish to me...
November 24th, 2012 at 4:21 PM
#29
First of many, and please
First of many, and please don't chide the OP for making the post acting like you're above falling for firings. That was the most pathetic excuse for an offense in the second half and it had NOTHING to do with the players. Clearly out thinking yourself. I am so very disappointed for those players who gave it all and had their coaches let them down.
November 24th, 2012 at 4:22 PM
#30
Hoke should be fired
He hired Borges. You wanted lloyd 2.0 and you got him. This looks very Carrish to me...
November 24th, 2012 at 4:22 PM
#31
Hoke should be fired
He hired Borges. You wanted lloyd 2.0 and you got him. This looks very Carrish to me...
November 24th, 2012 at 4:22 PM
#32
So predictable they might as
So predictable they might as well have printed the play calls in Braille and handed out copies to Ohio. I've defended him for two years, but this game was sheer lunacy.
November 24th, 2012 at 4:22 PM
#33
Well this is spiraling out of
Well this is spiraling out of control quickly.
November 24th, 2012 at 4:23 PM
#34
This is pretty much exactly
This is pretty much exactly what it was like to have Fred Jackson as OC, for those of you who remember the 90s.
November 24th, 2012 at 4:45 PM
#35
I wouldn't say that. Jackson
I wouldn't say that. Jackson wanted to establish the run all day. He would not have called an all-pass series. The results were unfortunately similar, though.
November 24th, 2012 at 4:24 PM
#36
If it weren't for Mattison we
If it weren't for Mattison we would've been 5-9 instead of 8-4. Air Force, Sparty, and Northwestern would've edged us if it weren't for great defense. Of course if it weren't for Borges dicking around and squandering entire drives, quarters, halves, games, and maybe even this whole fucking season team 133 would've been 11-1. Notre Dame, Nebraska, and Ohio thank you, Al.
November 24th, 2012 at 4:49 PM
#37
Close to being 6-6
This team was already only two mircale passes and FG's away from being 6-6. The Northwestern and MSU wins were about as close as it gets.
November 24th, 2012 at 4:25 PM
#38
He
He was fine in the first half then just went brain dead. Never crossed the 50 in the second half.
November 24th, 2012 at 4:29 PM
#39
Exactly.
Things were going so
Exactly.
Things were going so well in the first half. Why abandon it? Don't get it.
November 24th, 2012 at 4:25 PM
#40
More dynamic packages against
IOWA???? That makes sense. Don't get creative against the better team. Brilllllliant!!!!!
November 24th, 2012 at 4:27 PM
#41
quit crying you fucking
quit crying you fucking pussies. We lost we'll get em next year
November 24th, 2012 at 4:37 PM
#42
Voice
Voice of reason. As much as you pick at people, I am glad to see you are a reasonable dude.
November 24th, 2012 at 4:27 PM
#43
Didn't Carr retire.
Worst offensive play calling I've seen since the Carr days. Pathetic. Fire Borges and fire Hoke for hiring him. It's not just this game it's all the games this season.
November 24th, 2012 at 4:27 PM
#44
The players weren't put in a
The players weren't put in a position to succeed, it is not their fault. How can Borges can show his face in AA again after that monstrosity, if we score ONE TOUCHDOWN in the second half we win, unbelivable
November 24th, 2012 at 4:32 PM
#45
Lol @ your sig, how ironic.
Lol @ your sig, how ironic. What a piece of shit comment.
November 24th, 2012 at 4:36 PM
#46
Days like these I realize why
Days like these I realize why BiSB stepped down as mod. Ass hats come out of the woodwork with the dumbest trolly of troll comments.
November 24th, 2012 at 4:38 PM
#47
lulwat
lulwat
November 24th, 2012 at 4:28 PM
#48
FIRE Borges!!!!!
FIRE Borges!!!!! please...used devin and denard terrible over the past two seasons..and we all saw what happened when denard was not in vs a ok defense..nothing!!! nothing at all
November 24th, 2012 at 4:30 PM
#49
Game Ball
I understand the OSU team has awarded Al Borges the game ball! That second half play calling and personnel usage was atrocious. Did he think it gave us an unfair advantage to have Devin and Denard in at the same time?
November 24th, 2012 at 4:31 PM
#50
Hoke better fire him or else
Hoke better fire him or else in a seaon or 2 he will be out the door with him because we will not beat ohio state n urban with him..bottom line...I love Hoke but i hate borges
November 24th, 2012 at 4:31 PM
#51
Said it in the liveblog, but
Said it in the liveblog, but the third quarter was the most needlessly lifeless quarter of football I've ever seen from Michigan's offense. The talent was there. The scheme sold them short.
November 24th, 2012 at 4:31 PM
#52
Agreed
Time for somebody who is aggressive for 4 quarters
November 24th, 2012 at 4:32 PM
#53
Hoke better fire him or else
Hoke better fire him or else in a seaon or 2 he will be out the door with him because we will not beat ohio state n urban with him..bottom line...I love Hoke but i hate borges
November 24th, 2012 at 4:33 PM
#54
Nothing in the world will
Nothing in the world will make me more angry than listening to Hoke's stupid ass coach-speak press conference where there will be zero accountability, zero questioning of the play calling (PROBABLY BECAUSE HE DOESNT KNOW THE PLAYCALLS), and 14 "we didnt play Michigan football" quotes...
The coaching staff absolutely let down our Senior players, and they turned an electric first half into the biggest shit pile i've ever seen.
Denard runs his ass off for 124 yds in the first half, and he finishes with less...
Devin passes like a stud in the first half, and then he only has the opportunity to throw on the last 2 drives....
November 24th, 2012 at 4:36 PM
#55
Borges shows flashes, but he
Borges shows flashes, but he just has not been overly impressive to me in two years. He breaks out a bunch of tricks against Minnesota and Iowa and then runs Smith up the middle when it matters. Denard has bailed him out numerous times. He finally looks like he is in a rhythym with Devin the last few weeks and then goes against it in our biggest game of the season.
And Denard picked up most of his yards today by doing Denard things and by two OSU players knocking each other out of a tackle, not because of brilliant play calling. We were lucky to even get 7 at the end of the half when it looked like Borges was trying to run out the clock despite 3 TOs and good field position.
Borges called a truly awful second half. Yes, he didn't fumble or throw picks, but there was absolutely no reason to put those guys in the positions that they were in. Interior blocking has been bad all year, we can't run up the middle or call slow developing passes.
Then take Devin off the field for stretches and ask him to come in on 3rd down and make a play (or hand off for a Smith iso, whichever). This is what the Dolphins did to Henne and it drove me up the wall.
This loss is squarely on Borges first and foremost.
November 24th, 2012 at 4:37 PM
#56
I agree the man sucked ass in
I agree the man sucked ass in the 2nd half but if these posts existed during the Rich Rod regime they would be deleted ASAP.
November 24th, 2012 at 4:40 PM
#57
As bad as the RR defenses
As bad as the RR defenses were, this 2nd half was the worst display of football I've ever seen.
November 24th, 2012 at 4:58 PM
#58
Criticism of GERG, Tony Gibson, Al Borges, Darrell Funk
There was plenty of criticism of Greg Robinson during the RR era, with Dave Brandon ultimately deriding even our wins in shootouts, like the Illinois game. Rightfully so -- we had a putrid defense. This is despite the fact that Greg Robinson has some achievements on his resume, like two Super Bowl rings and a Rose Bowl win.
Now, we have hired an OC that washed out after his time in the SEC, has never lasted anywhere, whose QBs have shown largely shown steady regression and an inability to crack 60% completion rates (because he believes in very high risk, high reward vertical passing). We haven't fully regressed yet, but we're getting there. We've gone from 8th in the country in total offense in 2010 to 42nd in 2011 to 67th in 2012. Al Borges is the offensive Greg Robinson. Yes, he has a few nice things on this resume, like Greg Robinson. But there is a reason why Greg Robinson was not in demand when RR hired him. (RR needed someone cheap, and the person coming in had to be okay with little stability.) There is a reason why Al Borges has bounced around, including not working for a year after being let go from Auburn, and ultimately ending up in the Mountain West. We don't need to overthink this. It's like investing in companies that disappoint because they have to turn around. No, they don't. If we want to succeed on offense, we should invest in coaches that have shown a consistent ability to achieve success in college football in the recent past. (The game has changed since the '90s.) That will cost us more than Borges costs us. Also, Hoke/Brandon believe that imposing your will on offense is critical -- e.g., Hoke's comments regarding defenses being soft if they see spread offense in practice. I really wish that 1950's mindset would die. Were Urban Meyer's defenses at Florida soft? Will his defenses at OSU be soft?
Hoke does not know anything about offense. That's fine. But bring in an OC who does, fergodsakes.
November 24th, 2012 at 4:37 PM
#59
I'm just glad Vincent Smith
I'm just glad Vincent Smith is finally graduating.
I love him and he is a great third down back, but apparently eligibility is the only thing that will stop him from being asked to run up the gut on third and one.
November 24th, 2012 at 4:37 PM
#60
As bad as the play calling
As bad as the play calling was, I think we should all step back away from the computer and calm down.
Don't get me wrong, I am just as fired up as everybody else here, and I have my pitchfork and torch near me, but I am settling down. Angry? drink a good beer.
November 24th, 2012 at 4:39 PM
#61
Instead
Next year it will be Justice Hayes.
November 24th, 2012 at 4:37 PM
#62
Second half was hilarious
-
Second half was hilarious
- Always run play action pass on first down when our RBs have negative running yards
- 2nd down Denard package stuffed due to no pass threat
- Run for loss in I-form up the middle
Rinse and repeat = never crossing 50 yard line in 2nd half
November 24th, 2012 at 4:38 PM
#63
oh come on... I'm as upset as
oh come on... I'm as upset as everybody else but you realize Hoke beat OSU last year right? In a game where Mattison's defense almost blew the game and Denard had a career day? I'm upset at Borges too but this is Michigan -- to say that we will "never beat OSU" with Hoke is inane
November 24th, 2012 at 4:39 PM
#64
Yep. For the first time, I
Yep. For the first time, I agree. He called a great first half. Then COMPLETELY ABANDONED WHAT MADE US SUCCESSFUL in the second half.
That last drive should've had some Denard runs to the outside. Why we didn't use him at all infuriates me.
November 24th, 2012 at 4:39 PM
#65
Whoa
Everyone take a step back from the ledge. Borges didn't call a good game. In fact it was horrible. But we all know that Hoke allows the coordinators to manage their respective sides of the ball. Not like Urban's offense lit us up in the 2nd half.
November 24th, 2012 at 4:41 PM
#66
borges just doesn't get it
He keeps trying to run power football without the tools:
No back to block after Fitz went out
no constraint plays
Poor tight end blocking
a wussie offensive line
On the forth down attempt around mid field I think OSU had everyone in the box so we run a veer, nice call
November 24th, 2012 at 4:42 PM
#67
memories
One word: Lloydball.
As I'm looking over the play-by-play of the game, I'm thinking to myself "This is the USC Rose Bowl in reverse." (In that game, Lloyd, as he did in so many other games, insisted on going "up the gut" into about thirteen guys.)
November 24th, 2012 at 5:09 PM
#68
Beating USC
Of course, a Michigan coach has beaten USC recently -- unfortunately, it was after he had been fired by Michigan. I admit that I sometimes watch Arizona just to see what their offense does. There was an interesting point made last night -- RR has a goal of how many first downs he wants in a game. I had never focused on that before. (I've seen our regression in terms of total yards, etc.) I just looked -- we were 22nd in 2010, 50th in 2011, and are now 93rd in 2012. Al Borges is our Greg Robinson. I hope we can put a competent OC together with Mattison, who won't be here forever.
November 24th, 2012 at 9:34 PM
#69
But this is not Pete
But this is not Pete Carroll's USC. Don't forget that. Carr could have beaten Kiffin.
November 24th, 2012 at 4:42 PM
#70
That jerk was singlehandedly
That jerk was singlehandedly responsible for the collapse in the 2nd half. The onus of the loss is on him.
He should be escorted out of the program as soon as possible. I was very frustrated watching the team run up the middle repeatedly with no positive gain.
It was a good game, but it's amazing how the offense totally shut down in the 2nd half with him calling plays. Ohio State kept leaving the door open. Michigan never took advantage.
November 24th, 2012 at 4:42 PM
#71
TWiS here we come!!!!
TWiS here we come!!!!
November 24th, 2012 at 5:01 PM
#72
Please die a miserable death.
Please die a miserable death.
November 24th, 2012 at 4:48 PM
#75
Yes + 1000
Ban or neg me for this. Cool.
November 24th, 2012 at 4:52 PM
#76
Came here to vent...
Because it's not like I have a lot of MGoPoints, anyways.
About the only solace I can take is that at least I'm not along in my AL-RAGE.
If there's ANY way Denard can play... you HAVE to put him on the field. You don't even have to give him the ball! Let him fake block a CB!
It's THE GAME for God's sake! He's a senior. What are you waiting for? the %^$&# GATOR BOWL?
November 24th, 2012 at 4:52 PM
#77
I just can't believe there
I just can't believe there were never any plays to get denard one-on-one in space with an osu defense that misses tackles all the time. It was just an atrocity of obvious play calls. hoke's dumbass decision to call time out to go for it up the middle on fourth down set the table for the rest of the worthless playcalling. how many plays were devin and denard in together in the second half? just predictable, worthless crap from borges. totally obvious why he has been fired by other schools. ship him back to sdsu where he belongs.
November 24th, 2012 at 4:55 PM
#78
Too Predictable
Just about every person in the stadium knows where the ball is going when we line up in I-Form on third and short. We run it ALL the time with little to no results. Not necessarily calling for Borges's head, he has shown brilliance in previous games, but this loss is largely on his shoulders.
November 24th, 2012 at 4:57 PM
#79
Another thing... yeah, it's
Another thing... yeah, it's cool and all that we beat OSU last year, BUT THEY WERE 6-7!!!!!!!!
If you EVER think Urban Meyer will put a team on the field that is ANYTHING like that joke of a team they had last year, you're going to be very sad...
This game made a big statement.
November 24th, 2012 at 5:07 PM
#80
I don't think he should be
I don't think he should be fired. Hoke has a history with the guy and it would seem like a knee jerk reaction. We have to be patient and build. We lost to a solid team in a very difficult road environment.
Am I upset at the playcalling? Yeah. IMO you had to put Denard and Devin on the field at the same time to threaten both pass and run. Without Denard we have no running game, and without Devin we have no passing game. Makes it way too easy on the defense. Borges called a very poor game in the second half and there's no debating that.
On the other hand it's really, really hard to call an offensive game without an interior line and no viable running backs. I've only been a fan since '05 but I can't remember a worse interior o line. The bad news: this should still be a weakness next year. The good news? Help is on the way.
Keep calm. We're moving in the right direction and should have a very complete team, very soon.
November 24th, 2012 at 5:08 PM
#81
Side note: gonna be lots of
Side note: gonna be lots of bans / Bolivians after this one haha
November 24th, 2012 at 5:57 PM
#82
Check yourself
You're sounding too rational.
November 25th, 2012 at 12:12 AM
#83
The thing is...
...you aren't really threatening both pass and run when Denard and Devin are both on the field, because there's no pass protection. It worked OK against Iowa because they don't have much of a pass rush, but today the RB had to be able to chip block and do blitz pickups and Denard's never learned to do any of that (not his fault, obviously, or anyone else's for that matter--it's not something you can learn to do in two weeks when you've never had to block in your life).
Our o-line was not good enough to handle it on their own without RB help.
November 24th, 2012 at 5:10 PM
#84
Borges
Pisses me off.
November 24th, 2012 at 5:14 PM
#85
So God Damned Depressed
that I wasn't even motivated to reply since you all have said it again and again, but, what the hell, Borges hasn't got a fuckin clue. He's good for AT LEAST two loses a year. The guy has got to go.
November 24th, 2012 at 11:57 PM
#86
Look at Borges in the real world
Have you ever hired? when a resume crosses your desk and the indiviidual has had many jobs at many different places, all at the same level.....never staying long at any one place.....this person has risen to their level of incompetence.
borges did a very poor job of figuring out an offense that leveraged the skills of the incumbent Big 10 Offensive Player of the Year (despite having lots of film showing what he could do well).......he completely failed to have Bellomy ready when necessary, and he failed to keep Gardner ready., basically giving away the Nebraska game.....
his performance against OSU was miserable, but he has had many miserabel playcalling games. 6 INTS against ND, including he halfback option call that turned the season.
Lets face it, he isnt very good, and his resume shows it.
November 25th, 2012 at 12:54 AM
#87
hoke should have put the
hoke should have put the headset on in the third quarter and told borges to take his fat ass home. borges will cost hoke his job like robinson did rodriguez
November 25th, 2012 at 12:55 AM
#88
hoke should have put the
hoke should have put the headset on in the third quarter and told borges to go home. borges will cost hoke his job like robinson did rodriguez
November 26th, 2012 at 12:12 AM
#89
It's amazing that we attended
It's amazing that we attended (attend?) a school that likes to pretend it's a paragon of class and virtue, we sneer at classlessness from MSU and OSU. We lookmfor "MICHIGAN MAN" qualities in our players and coaches.
And fuck if, when shitmdoesnt go our way, we don't act like aching, whining bitches.
Fucking grow up. All of you. You are what you claim Sparty is.
November 26th, 2012 at 12:36 AM
#90
WOW DID U SEE TAYLOR LEWAN PLAY
Taylor just lets OSU run around him many plays he just pushed them and watched them run around him and make plays. Look very close to his plays and you will see. Al Borges need to get ax and is a terrible coach get his fat azz out there and run around and maybe he will see. Crappy players Smith trying to run up the middle alot of bum players that need to play back at the high school level.
November 26th, 2012 at 12:39 AM
#91
This website is in English
I
This website is in English
I ran your post through google translate in all the romance languages, and got nothing. Finally, I tried "bitter illiterate" and it returned "I'm butthurt."
