Borges should be fired.
November 24th, 2012 at 3:27 PM ^
The players weren't put in a position to succeed, it is not their fault. How can Borges can show his face in AA again after that monstrosity, if we score ONE TOUCHDOWN in the second half we win, unbelivable
November 24th, 2012 at 3:27 PM ^
Hoke should be gone as well, dude has never won a conference title NEVER, meanwhile our biggest rival has a guy that has won not ONE but TWO national titles. What does that say about the hire? Also look at what Brian Kelly is doing at ND. Hoke was a panic hire and not the right one, I don't really see him leading us anywhere other than the capital one bowl. Feel free to give me negative points slappies but open your eyes and do you really want someone who doesn't even wear a headset to be the head coach of the Michigan Wolverines. Horrible year and we got beat by every good team we played, can't wait to get spanked in the bowl game. Yay.
November 24th, 2012 at 3:32 PM ^
Lol @ your sig, how ironic. What a piece of shit comment.
November 24th, 2012 at 3:36 PM ^
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November 24th, 2012 at 3:28 PM ^
November 24th, 2012 at 3:28 PM ^
FIRE Borges!!!!! please...used devin and denard terrible over the past two seasons..and we all saw what happened when denard was not in vs a ok defense..nothing!!! nothing at all
November 24th, 2012 at 3:30 PM ^
I understand the OSU team has awarded Al Borges the game ball! That second half play calling and personnel usage was atrocious. Did he think it gave us an unfair advantage to have Devin and Denard in at the same time?
November 24th, 2012 at 3:31 PM ^
Hoke better fire him or else in a seaon or 2 he will be out the door with him because we will not beat ohio state n urban with him..bottom line...I love Hoke but i hate borges
November 24th, 2012 at 3:31 PM ^
Said it in the liveblog, but the third quarter was the most needlessly lifeless quarter of football I've ever seen from Michigan's offense. The talent was there. The scheme sold them short.
November 24th, 2012 at 3:31 PM ^
November 24th, 2012 at 3:32 PM ^
Hoke better fire him or else in a seaon or 2 he will be out the door with him because we will not beat ohio state n urban with him..bottom line...I love Hoke but i hate borges
November 24th, 2012 at 3:33 PM ^
Nothing in the world will make me more angry than listening to Hoke's stupid ass coach-speak press conference where there will be zero accountability, zero questioning of the play calling (PROBABLY BECAUSE HE DOESNT KNOW THE PLAYCALLS), and 14 "we didnt play Michigan football" quotes...
The coaching staff absolutely let down our Senior players, and they turned an electric first half into the biggest shit pile i've ever seen.
Denard runs his ass off for 124 yds in the first half, and he finishes with less...
Devin passes like a stud in the first half, and then he only has the opportunity to throw on the last 2 drives....
November 24th, 2012 at 3:36 PM ^
Borges shows flashes, but he just has not been overly impressive to me in two years. He breaks out a bunch of tricks against Minnesota and Iowa and then runs Smith up the middle when it matters. Denard has bailed him out numerous times. He finally looks like he is in a rhythym with Devin the last few weeks and then goes against it in our biggest game of the season.
And Denard picked up most of his yards today by doing Denard things and by two OSU players knocking each other out of a tackle, not because of brilliant play calling. We were lucky to even get 7 at the end of the half when it looked like Borges was trying to run out the clock despite 3 TOs and good field position.
Borges called a truly awful second half. Yes, he didn't fumble or throw picks, but there was absolutely no reason to put those guys in the positions that they were in. Interior blocking has been bad all year, we can't run up the middle or call slow developing passes.
Then take Devin off the field for stretches and ask him to come in on 3rd down and make a play (or hand off for a Smith iso, whichever). This is what the Dolphins did to Henne and it drove me up the wall.
This loss is squarely on Borges first and foremost.
November 24th, 2012 at 3:37 PM ^
I agree the man sucked ass in the 2nd half but if these posts existed during the Rich Rod regime they would be deleted ASAP.
November 24th, 2012 at 3:40 PM ^
As bad as the RR defenses were, this 2nd half was the worst display of football I've ever seen.
November 24th, 2012 at 3:58 PM ^
There was plenty of criticism of Greg Robinson during the RR era, with Dave Brandon ultimately deriding even our wins in shootouts, like the Illinois game. Rightfully so -- we had a putrid defense. This is despite the fact that Greg Robinson has some achievements on his resume, like two Super Bowl rings and a Rose Bowl win.
Now, we have hired an OC that washed out after his time in the SEC, has never lasted anywhere, whose QBs have shown largely shown steady regression and an inability to crack 60% completion rates (because he believes in very high risk, high reward vertical passing). We haven't fully regressed yet, but we're getting there. We've gone from 8th in the country in total offense in 2010 to 42nd in 2011 to 67th in 2012. Al Borges is the offensive Greg Robinson. Yes, he has a few nice things on this resume, like Greg Robinson. But there is a reason why Greg Robinson was not in demand when RR hired him. (RR needed someone cheap, and the person coming in had to be okay with little stability.) There is a reason why Al Borges has bounced around, including not working for a year after being let go from Auburn, and ultimately ending up in the Mountain West. We don't need to overthink this. It's like investing in companies that disappoint because they have to turn around. No, they don't. If we want to succeed on offense, we should invest in coaches that have shown a consistent ability to achieve success in college football in the recent past. (The game has changed since the '90s.) That will cost us more than Borges costs us. Also, Hoke/Brandon believe that imposing your will on offense is critical -- e.g., Hoke's comments regarding defenses being soft if they see spread offense in practice. I really wish that 1950's mindset would die. Were Urban Meyer's defenses at Florida soft? Will his defenses at OSU be soft?
Hoke does not know anything about offense. That's fine. But bring in an OC who does, fergodsakes.
November 24th, 2012 at 3:37 PM ^
I'm just glad Vincent Smith is finally graduating.
I love him and he is a great third down back, but apparently eligibility is the only thing that will stop him from being asked to run up the gut on third and one.
November 24th, 2012 at 3:37 PM ^
As bad as the play calling was, I think we should all step back away from the computer and calm down.
Don't get me wrong, I am just as fired up as everybody else here, and I have my pitchfork and torch near me, but I am settling down. Angry? drink a good beer.
November 24th, 2012 at 3:39 PM ^
November 24th, 2012 at 3:37 PM ^
Second half was hilarious
- Always run play action pass on first down when our RBs have negative running yards
- 2nd down Denard package stuffed due to no pass threat
- Run for loss in I-form up the middle
Rinse and repeat = never crossing 50 yard line in 2nd half
November 24th, 2012 at 3:37 PM ^
Yeah I'm a hater, I'm just saying it was a weak hire to begin with Urban has two national titles and Hoke has never even won a conference title. Therefore OSU has a MASSIVE advantage in the coaching department. But what do I know i'm just a hater, hey let's run up the MIDDLE with VINCENT SMITH AGAIN YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Put in Bellomy YAYYYYYYYY
November 24th, 2012 at 3:38 PM ^
oh come on... I'm as upset as everybody else but you realize Hoke beat OSU last year right? In a game where Mattison's defense almost blew the game and Denard had a career day? I'm upset at Borges too but this is Michigan -- to say that we will "never beat OSU" with Hoke is inane
November 24th, 2012 at 9:35 PM ^
November 24th, 2012 at 3:39 PM ^
Yep. For the first time, I agree. He called a great first half. Then COMPLETELY ABANDONED WHAT MADE US SUCCESSFUL in the second half.
That last drive should've had some Denard runs to the outside. Why we didn't use him at all infuriates me.
November 24th, 2012 at 3:39 PM ^
November 24th, 2012 at 3:41 PM ^
He keeps trying to run power football without the tools:
No back to block after Fitz went out
no constraint plays
Poor tight end blocking
a wussie offensive line
On the forth down attempt around mid field I think OSU had everyone in the box so we run a veer, nice call
November 24th, 2012 at 3:42 PM ^
One word: Lloydball.
As I'm looking over the play-by-play of the game, I'm thinking to myself "This is the USC Rose Bowl in reverse." (In that game, Lloyd, as he did in so many other games, insisted on going "up the gut" into about thirteen guys.)
November 24th, 2012 at 4:09 PM ^
Of course, a Michigan coach has beaten USC recently -- unfortunately, it was after he had been fired by Michigan. I admit that I sometimes watch Arizona just to see what their offense does. There was an interesting point made last night -- RR has a goal of how many first downs he wants in a game. I had never focused on that before. (I've seen our regression in terms of total yards, etc.) I just looked -- we were 22nd in 2010, 50th in 2011, and are now 93rd in 2012. Al Borges is our Greg Robinson. I hope we can put a competent OC together with Mattison, who won't be here forever.
November 24th, 2012 at 8:34 PM ^
But this is not Pete Carroll's USC. Don't forget that. Carr could have beaten Kiffin.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:08 PM ^
November 24th, 2012 at 3:42 PM ^
That jerk was singlehandedly responsible for the collapse in the 2nd half. The onus of the loss is on him.
He should be escorted out of the program as soon as possible. I was very frustrated watching the team run up the middle repeatedly with no positive gain.
It was a good game, but it's amazing how the offense totally shut down in the 2nd half with him calling plays. Ohio State kept leaving the door open. Michigan never took advantage.
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November 24th, 2012 at 3:52 PM ^
Because it's not like I have a lot of MGoPoints, anyways.
About the only solace I can take is that at least I'm not along in my AL-RAGE.
If there's ANY way Denard can play... you HAVE to put him on the field. You don't even have to give him the ball! Let him fake block a CB!
It's THE GAME for God's sake! He's a senior. What are you waiting for? the %^$&# GATOR BOWL?
November 24th, 2012 at 3:52 PM ^
I just can't believe there were never any plays to get denard one-on-one in space with an osu defense that misses tackles all the time. It was just an atrocity of obvious play calls. hoke's dumbass decision to call time out to go for it up the middle on fourth down set the table for the rest of the worthless playcalling. how many plays were devin and denard in together in the second half? just predictable, worthless crap from borges. totally obvious why he has been fired by other schools. ship him back to sdsu where he belongs.
November 24th, 2012 at 3:55 PM ^
November 24th, 2012 at 3:57 PM ^
Another thing... yeah, it's cool and all that we beat OSU last year, BUT THEY WERE 6-7!!!!!!!!
If you EVER think Urban Meyer will put a team on the field that is ANYTHING like that joke of a team they had last year, you're going to be very sad...
This game made a big statement.
November 24th, 2012 at 4:07 PM ^
Am I upset at the playcalling? Yeah. IMO you had to put Denard and Devin on the field at the same time to threaten both pass and run. Without Denard we have no running game, and without Devin we have no passing game. Makes it way too easy on the defense. Borges called a very poor game in the second half and there's no debating that.
On the other hand it's really, really hard to call an offensive game without an interior line and no viable running backs. I've only been a fan since '05 but I can't remember a worse interior o line. The bad news: this should still be a weakness next year. The good news? Help is on the way.
Keep calm. We're moving in the right direction and should have a very complete team, very soon.
November 24th, 2012 at 4:08 PM ^
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November 24th, 2012 at 11:12 PM ^
...you aren't really threatening both pass and run when Denard and Devin are both on the field, because there's no pass protection. It worked OK against Iowa because they don't have much of a pass rush, but today the RB had to be able to chip block and do blitz pickups and Denard's never learned to do any of that (not his fault, obviously, or anyone else's for that matter--it's not something you can learn to do in two weeks when you've never had to block in your life).
Our o-line was not good enough to handle it on their own without RB help.
November 24th, 2012 at 4:10 PM ^
November 24th, 2012 at 4:14 PM ^
that I wasn't even motivated to reply since you all have said it again and again, but, what the hell, Borges hasn't got a fuckin clue. He's good for AT LEAST two loses a year. The guy has got to go.
November 24th, 2012 at 10:57 PM ^
Have you ever hired? when a resume crosses your desk and the indiviidual has had many jobs at many different places, all at the same level.....never staying long at any one place.....this person has risen to their level of incompetence.
borges did a very poor job of figuring out an offense that leveraged the skills of the incumbent Big 10 Offensive Player of the Year (despite having lots of film showing what he could do well).......he completely failed to have Bellomy ready when necessary, and he failed to keep Gardner ready., basically giving away the Nebraska game.....
his performance against OSU was miserable, but he has had many miserabel playcalling games. 6 INTS against ND, including he halfback option call that turned the season.
Lets face it, he isnt very good, and his resume shows it.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:13 PM ^