Peppers at 10, which seems low.
650K seems about right. Congrats sir.
especially since he never proved that he could call anything offensively to combat pressure last year. Hopefully that isn't an issue again this year.
You have a statistical analysis or a chart to back up this assertion? Inquiring minds want to know......Not enough bubble screens?
Yeah, $650 is WAY too much. I mean it's not like the guy has 20+ years of experience coordinating offenses across the country. And it's not like he had massive success in a major conference like the SEC. I bet he was never even the OC of a team that finished with a perfect record in the SEC averaging over 40 ppg.
And just look at his performance at Michigan. Totally unable to adjust his style of coaching to the incongruous personnel that he inherited. The way he forced Denard into an ill fitting pro style offense with his "my way or the highway" attitude really set our program back.
Gracias for an alternate link, rather give annarbor.com page hits than the freep.
I'll take misleading headlines and unoriginal content over active sabotage of the program and outright lies any day.
Great to see that Brandon is truly commited to paying top dollar for great coordinators. Whenever our next assistant leaves, I have no doubt that we will be able to lure in a top coach to replace him.
I agree. As do most people who were complaining about paying $10 extra for tickets, I imagine.
Any increase to a ticket that makes the Massachusetts game $70 is allowed to be bitched about.
Simple solution: voice your dissatisfaction by not going to that game. Or scalp the ticket for $30 like everyone else.
Also, a serious question: Would you rather have ticket prices to the better games jacked up and ticket prices to lesser games lessened, or have it the way it is now? We both know that the athletic department isn't going to lower overall prices after spending around $300 million on the stadium in the past few years and paying top dollar for our head coach and his assistants.
Better get a raise!
That's good money, and he deserves it. Michigan should pay their coaches well. No school will pay Borges enough more than that as an OC for him to leave, and he's not much of a HC candidate at this point in his career. Hell, the schools who would look at him as a HC don't pay much more than that.
pressers. Talk about a tough act to follow.
Good move by Dave Brandon. Al Borges will be 57 years old this year and this should keep him around until he retires.
Not every day you see an OC get a raise for making the offense worse.
You realize the offense actually scrored more pts per game (33.3 vs. 32.8) last year than they did the year before. You know, points, those things really do come in handy if you want to do things like win games and such
/really hoping there was some sarcasm in there that i'm missing
We played a MUCH easier schedule last year. Playing at home is a big difference in college football, brohammer.
RR >>> Gorgeous Al.
/Hoke uber alles, etc.
How as Richrod's offense in year one? How was Al's offense in year one? Ok
Insert Threet/Sheridan caveat, but at least Borges had the sense to utilize the pieces he was given and run a spread-type offense
It's not just Threet/Sheridan caveat. It's "every fucking one else on the fucking field" caveat.
Can you name a single offensive position for which we were better off personnel-wise in 2008 than in 2011?
Yep, freshmen do become seniors eventually. It's this weird thing called time. You can only go forward and normally when football players go from 17 to 21 they get stronger and better in games. It's tough to grasp.
Of course, part of the reason we had to start a freshman at QB in 2008 was because the guy who was supposed to be our starter (Mallett) got into a pissing match with Rodriguez and transferred.
Three years later, we could have had to start another redshirt frosh QB (Gardner) if the returning starter had transferred (as he was rumored to be considering), but the staff was successful in getting him, and just about everyone else, to stay put. They deserve some credit for that.
Mallett never even talked to RR face to face. He was leaving before RR ever stepped foot in AA. Mallett and Carr didn't get along and Mallett was leaving no matter what.
But I think he was sort of agreeing with you.
I think you may be correct. Fuck. Apologies to that guy for being smart when I thought he was being dumb...
Im not sold yet on Al either. Imo, he is directly responsible for both losses. But i am willing to see what year 2 brings.
number of returning starters on offense
2008 = 2
2011 = 8
RR was hired to run the spread, for better or worse. It was going to be a difficult transition that took some time. To delay it would have set the team back in 2009 and 2010. Sheridan was probably best suited for the spread anyway, only Threet was truly a poor fit.
Would the spread n shred have gone much better that year if we had somehow returned Henne, Hart, and a few more O-linemen? Probably some, but it wasn't going to rule. Richrod was live and die by the spread.
My point is that I think Borges has been a vastly better OC at Michigan because he has adapted to what he has in place, not what he wishes was in place. I'm sure he could've run Vincent Smith Iso's for 1 yard all year enroute to 18 points a game but he didn't. He spread it out, and we were good and we'll run the pro-style stuff when we get more pro-style players because Al Borges is smart and he deserves some cash
If RR was brought in and had Henne, Hart, et al returning and forced an ill-suited offense on them, you would have a valid criticism. You would have actually been comparing apples to apples.
My point is, I don't know why Richrod gets a pass because he was a 100%-spread-guy. Clearly we were going to be pretty bad in 2008 no matter what, but running the read option with Threet didn't help.
Borges did a better job because, even though we want to install a pro style offense, he didn't try to have Denard throw a bunch of fly routes to Odoms / Gallon / Roundtree because that's insane. They're guys that are built for the spread and fortunately Borges adapted his offense to utilize the talent we had instead of going "Well I only know how to run the pro-style" ala Richrod. If Borges (and co.) had been as stubbornly for the pro-style as Richrod was for the spread then we probably would've been pretty bad on offense this year as you can extrapolate from how well all of those playaction passes from the i-formation went this year.
You are still missing the point. Running a spread option with Threet at QB was not the problem. The fact that the offense was horrible running whatever offense you choose is the problem. Threet, as a redshirt junior and in a offense suited for his skills, had nearly as many interceptions as touchdowns. That doesn't mean the offense was wrong at Michigan, that means he just wasn't good (especially as a freshman).
I could also argue that with 10 returning starters and a returning junior quarterback who placed 6th in heisman voting the year before, the offense should have jumped waaaaay more than a point per game. So one could argue that Borges really didn't do a great job considering what he had to work with.
I have come to hate this argument because there is no way to come to an actual conclusion. They aren't similar situations at all, so why compare? The offenses inherited were nothing alike. I personally think RichRod did a good job working with an offense that returned 1 redshirt sophomore offensive lineman and not much else. I also think Borges did well this year but with amazing offensive weapons, he should have.
I agree that it's apples and oranges, but I'm curious to know why you think Rodriguez did a good job in 2008. By any measure it was our worst offensive team in decades. You could argue that he deserved an "Incomplete" for that season, but I definitely wouldn't consider it anything remotely good.
By the same measurement you are using to say it was our worst offense in decades, it was also the least talented offense we have had in decades, possibly ever. Is it a surprise that the only returning starter in 08 was also the only offensive guy drafted in the 3 years RichRod coached? We had a serious talent deficiency. I think RichRod did a decent enough job where we also were prepared to run his offense in year two. That was one of the worst offenses I have ever seen at Michigan and the next year was the best I had seen (until the two seasons following). That offense was going to be awful no matter what we ran, and I'm not so sure we would have been any better running a pro-set. I guess I was more pointing to the offense sucking but not as badly as it could have had we been running a bunch of I-form plays and falling farther behind for the next year.
We played 10 bowl opponents last year. We've faced much easier schedules in the past.
You do realize that Michigan couldn't score against top 25 teams when RR was the coach? His spread could score 40 on Indiana, but only 10 against Ohio. You remind me of a beautiful women who is in a abusive relationship, but won't leave. Some people just enjoy misery I guess.
Normally it is harder to score points on better teams. NORMALLY. Thanks for the lesson though. You sure taught me.
probably better then that, considering there was no 4th quarter played against WMU.
And of course, the 2010 team had the triple-OT marathon game against Illinois, where it scored 22 points in the overtime sessions. The 2011 team only scored three points in overtime.
In regulation, the 2011 team averaged 33.1 ppg (or 33.7 ppg if you consider WMU to be .75 of a game) and 2010 averaged 31.0.
Yes, because the defensive improvement had NOTHING to do with giving the offense a better chance to score with a shorter field, not playing from behind, time to rest, etc. etc.
To further my point, my quick scan of last year's game scores shows that we scored a total of 433 points, which is where the article gets the 33.3 ppg stat. Which is very poor reporting, since it includes 2 defensive touchdowns against WMU, safeties against Purdue and Ohio, and probably some other defensive scores I cannot remember. Also, I remember at least 2 "field goal drives" in the Sugar Bowl where the defense got a turnover in VT territory and the offense did nothing for 3 downs before kicking. Unless you count the fake-field-goal-throw-it-to-the-long-snapper play as something Borges actually drew up.
Also, we scored 58 points against Minnesota, probably one of the worst B1G teams in the last decade. That skews the ppg number too.
Throw any spin you want to prove the 2010 offense was superior to the 2011 offense, but guess what, the $ per point scored ratio is still a helluva lot lower now than it was with the guy running the 2010 offense.
If we are going to go with disclaimers for 2011, let's do the same for 2011:
Things that skewed the 2010 numbers:
1. 65 points against Bowling Green. Worse than 2011 Minnesota.
2. 42 Points against 1AA Umass. No comparable 1-AA in 2011.
3. 67 in a triple overtime game against Illinois. We didn't play any triple overtime games in 2011.
The more you dig into the numbers as you have done, the more it hurts your cause.
Some other interesting 2010 vs. 2011 observations:
1. Notre Dame:
2010 - 28 points scored
2011 - 34
SMALL EDGE - 2011 Offense
SMALL EDGE 2010
SMALL EDGE: 2011
2010: 7 (!!!)
2011: 40 (!!!)
HUGE EDGE: 2011
Sorry, the numbers just do not support the 2010 offense being better than the 2011 offense.
Also, we scored a defensive TD in the 2010 Purdue game, so we actually had 20 offensive points.
The defensive improvement was a double-edged sword as far as points per game went. We often didn't need to score as many points in games in 2011 to win. In the majority of our wins, we won going away. In 2010, by contrast, almost every game was a struggle and we needed to go all-out every possession.
Regardless of whether the 2011 offense was slightly better or slightly worse than the 2010 offense (I think we can agree that it was not dramatically different), on the whole we can be pleased with how smooth the transition ended up being.
That was way too reasonable of a statement for a discussion of RR v. Borges. Where is the hyperbole? Where are the dramatic all-or-nothing statements?
You don't even cite any advanced statistics for your statement that "we can be pleased with how smooth the transition ended up being."
She probably listens to you and all your wisdom...
Also according to Rivals
2010 pts per game 34.3
2011 pts per game 34.2
Ahhhhhh... so close.
Also according to Rivals
2010 yds per game 500.9
2011 yds per game 423.1
Ahhhhhh... not so close. So I stand firm in saying that it's not every day that you see an OC get a raise after making the offense worse.
Denard is not the qb for this offense, so judge Borges down the road. In the meantime Im happy that the RB position is once again relevant under Borges.
You're still fighting the Rodriguez/Hoke battle?
Are you mentally ill, obsessive, or insanely bored?
All of the above?
2010 - 32.8
2011 - 33.3
Unless of course you don't think they know how many points they scored., you'd be, well, wrong. So close...
But keep it up...you've been wrong for 4 years, what's a few more?
Rivals didn't take into account the bowl games. Also, RR had 3 overtime periods in 2010 vs. the 1 overtime period in 2011. If you only count regulation, you can remove 22 points from the 2010 total and 3 from the 2011 total.
Is no one going to comment on "SACRILICIOUS"? Maybe someone did, I usually skim arguments involving His Dudeness.
Or maybe he meant it to be a combination of sacrilege and delicious? Nah, that would be giving him too much credit.
You've obviously never seen the Simpsons...
I thought the goal in 2011 was to win games, not to score points or gain yards. 11-2 versus 7-5 seems like a pretty good counter-argument to any statements about making the offense worse. If we go from 11-2 to 12-1, for instance, he can make the offense worse (score fewer points per game or generate fewer yards per game) for all I care.
We played all of our tough opponents at home last year. And all of them away in 2010. That must be really tricky for people to understand. It isn't a riddle.
So the reason we went from scoring seven points vs. Ohio in 2010 to 40 (and it should have been 44) at home in 2011 was just the location of the game?
Are you related to Rodriguez or something?
In case you're too lazy to click the link, the contract contains a pretty awesome clause where everytime they run Vincent Smith out of the I-Form, Borges loses $1,000. It's really going to make this offense better.
a $5k bonus per bubble screen or at least some sort of bonus for actually acknowleging Heiko's inevitable question regarding said screen(s) per presser.
What? Find anyone making under a million a year who isn't motivated by $39,000. Plus, if he wins that game, he gets an extra $65,000 for well over $100k. That seems like a decent incentive to me.
Let me add that I'm not too worried about Borges not being really motivated to make a B1G title appearance, even if there's no extra cash. And it's not like the university gets the only say on the contract. If they want low base pay, they'd have to pay out like crazy on the incentives--if I'm a coach and the university wants to pay a small base salary, the only way I'd sign is if I expected to average well over what I would make with a higher salary.
Your analogy to sales doesn't make sense - it is apples and oranges. Sales comp is always heavily based on commission with performance targets as incentives. I don't think Borges needs the incentives to want to perform well and he certainly doesn't get paid on commission.
If I got a 6% bonus, I'd be pretty fucking stoked. That's basically an extra 3 weeks of pay. Plus, the article says that the bonus is matched in his deferred compensation account, so he's actually getting double that.
which defenses were good? msu, va tech, iowa, nd? i will give you osu.
Michigan State, Illinois, Va Tech, Ohio were all top 25 defenses by YPG. ND, EMU, and Nebraska were top 50.
Good, this should keep him around and Mattison is too old (and too well paid) to go anywhere either. As long as we keep these two anchors on both sides of the ball, if an assistant here or there goes, we should be okay. Should also work hard to keep Heck and Funk around, they are good position coaches and VERY valuable on the recruiting trail.
Mattison too old is kind of what bothers me. I think he will stick around for 5 years max. Oh well, we should enjoy him while we have him.
How does Fickell get a salary anywhere near GM?
EXACT same thing
taking one for ohio last year by trying to coach that team. Probably also to keep his mouth shut. I would not be surprised to see him quietly leave (be removed) after next year.
Yeah I don't know why everyone is wasting time feeding the troll on this thread when we should be discussing the FAR more interesting take away from this article:
Luke Fickell is getting paid the same amount as Greg Mattison, and Fick isn't even their sole D-coordinator. Yet another hilariously inept decision by their AD.
To be fair to their incompetent AD, I'm sure he had to give Fickell some little token as a "thank you for stepping down and taking a demotion without so much as a whimper" present.
"U-M athletic director Dave Brandon has said from the day he arrived he felt U-M employees need to be paid what the marketplace dictates."
Talent retention is a huge deal, especially with the new staff only going into its second year, and more to the point, more often than not, you really do get what you pay for when it comes to staffing the team's leadership. Smart move by David Brandon and congratulations to Al Borges.
that it is void if he calls any bubble screens!
good. lock him up. don't want him or mattison going anywhere anytime soon.
I'm kind of surprised he only made 350k last year. Given his experience and success, it's only right that he gets a big bump in salary.
Mattison's contract is only for two years (he's in year two). Shouldn't he be getting an extension soon?
Please don't retire soon...
Good point. Dave Brandon needs to give Mattison a contract extension and a raise, and then raise ticket prices to pay for it. /s
I'm sure I'll get negged for this (because I did last time), but I will autoneg any freep link until the end of time. It is unacceptable that certain individuals (or is it just one now?) are employed there. I say this because being negged isn't important. Taking a stand as a consumer is important. You might say that a few page views (probably over 1,000, actually) is nothing to protest about, but I think this can make a difference. Please only post freep links unless there is no alternative.
-Man who believed the practicegate story for several months
Oh be quiet.
Just sayin. He's not getting any younger. Keeping it real my friend.
There's no good reason that I can imagine, to diminish the job that Al Borges has done. Or to suggest that he somehow "doesn't deserve" a contract that Dave Brandon is happy to offer him.
What is relevant is the sea-change attitude and philosophy from the day that David Brandon arrived and realized what had happened in his predecessor's failed efforts to retain Jeff Casteel with an actual contract, such as what Mattison got right away and what Borges now has. At a comparatively small amount (<$275,000) for Casteel. That's the story; that Michigan had had a big problem with assistant coach salaries until Greg Mattison agreed to come to town and Brandon agreed to pay the national-market rate.
That was the story. Mark Snyder of the Free Press whiffed on that story for all of the years that Rodriguez was in Ann Arbor, and he has missed it again -- deliberately, no doubt.
Mark Snyder: Your Michigan Sportswriter of the Year for 2011. Nominated and elected over John U. Bacon, who authored the most important Michigan sports book of perhaps the last decade in 2011.
We're not talking about the bible here. I love John Bacon's writing and read his blog religiously, but the book was riddled with inconsistencies and was written with a decided slant. It's not any kind of a book of the decade.
Hoke is in for long haul. Is Matttison??????????
if I was a big-time cfb head coach, i'd rather take a more modest salary (1.5 - 2.5 mill) and shell out more to keep my assistants happy, then vice versa. Staff continuity = big thing. Keeping your players in the same system for longer amounts of time: BIG thing.
Think of the kids on the current team who graduated playing under 3 or 4 different defensive systems (coordinator switching)
The bottom line is that, if you are satisfied with your assistants, and you want to be the "leaders and best," you have to pay those assistants enough that nobody will outbid you for them. Hopefully, this keeps the "Big Three" on the staff intact long enough to create stability. And, of course, Rose Bowls and BCS "plus one" berths.