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This thread will not end well.
Edit: Very odd. After watching the video, what is Borges doing with his hand and the middle of his chest? Does he have a 3rd nipple he's rubbing and pinching?
loosening the noose that is tightening around his job.
He's clearly nervous. Subconciously he knows he's in total denial. Really frustrating to see the defensiveness and a total lack of accountability on his part. Not good traits in any coach/athlete/employee/person.
He is picking at or rubbing something during every interview. Usually it is on his face. It is incredibly distracting and a bit disturbing.
I offer no accompagning psychoanalysis with this observation, but there is plenty to speculate about (smile).
The sad part is that the team is so talented, that even with the highest turnover rate in the nation and absolutely no running game, we could still beat almost every team on the schedule. Excising all the running plays from the 3rd quarter of this recent horror, our offense was pretty efficient and Gardner was on target with most of his passes. We even ran a play-action pop pass at one point which was an easy 10 yards.
Then all of a sudden it went away.
It's clear that if we just put a 00 set out there every play, our offense would be humming.
Nothing makes me happier than running into 10 man boxes. More!
That was sarcasm. When a team can make you one dimensional, you are no dimensional. All those great passes you all love so much don't have time to develop if the defense doesn't have to defend the run.
Conversly, all of those runs aren't going to work if they don't have to defend the pass. I don't tihnk any sane people are suggesting abandoning the run game, but I think it's pretty clear that the talent on this team is best suited to pass to set up the run instead of the other way around.
When Devin is throwing interceptions like it's his job (as he has been prone to do at times this season), it's hard to throw to set up the run.
As a coordinator you have to go into damage mitigation mode at that point.
There is not a lot you can do if your QB can't throw and your offenseive line can't generate the requisite amount of room for the running game to be effective.
Short passes. Short passes. Short passes. Short passes. DG get's into trouble because he arm-punts the fucking ball into 2 or 3 deep coverage all the damn time. It's a travesty that Drew Dileo has been this under utilized when he has shown the ability to be exactly what this teams needs (find a hole in the D and sit in it).
Devin has also thrown interceptions and been incredibly inaccurate on short passes and timing routes. It's not like he's only throwing picks on balls 15+ yards down field.
Your brother Al is just an incredibly bad offensive coordinator. I'm sure he is a nice guy.
Both of his INTs in the PSU game were short passes. One was to a D-lineman!
"When Devin is throwing interceptions like it's his job (as he has been prone to do at times this season), it's hard to throw to set up the run."
Gardner regrouped rather well in the second half and was playing at a much higher level. The coaches should have used his momentum to 1) win the game and 2) build his confidence for the rest of the season. Gardner could have won that game. He was/is the best/only option at this point.
The offense put the team in position to win the game on multiple occasions. You can certainly argue the play calling should have been more aggressive, but the bottom line is two easily makeable field goals were botched, and our defense gave up an 80 yard TD drive with 47 seconds left on the clock and PSU sans timeouts.
That's not on the offensive play calling at all what so ever. You can try to pin those things on Borges, but that doesn't make it true.
Hi, Al. How's it going?
27 carries for 27 yards but fuck it, at least we weren't one-dimensional!!!
Feels like there's absolutely nowhere for Funk to hide. Everybody, all of the bodies, are talking about the o-line issues and I don't buy the comment "something, something, youth, something." Indiana has a young line also and they've suffered injuries to boot. We have the requisite talent to do better than we've been doing.
Seriously fuck Borges. He needs to be fired as soon as possible. Guy is brutal.
Patience. It will come soon. Hoke might go down with him.
You remind me of my parents which is a good thing. I'm not a patient person and it just annoys the hell out of me when people continue their course when it's not working.
I'm not a genius and I've been wrong before which is why I like your comment about me tempering my distaste.
if hoke wants to go down with a complete incompetent OC, ok. he's done. borges is horrible. there is little or no evidence to suggest otherwise.
A lot of the same people that were calling for RR to be fired after his first season, and who were calling for kovacs to be replaced every year before his senior year. Some people are just not happy with what they've got and just don't have the patience to let someone complete their job. Agreed that I'm upset with the playcalling and Borges in general, but damn guys, pull yourselves together. Shit.
One problem with your scenario, this isn't Borges first year. It is his third year and his offense has gotten worse rather than better.
even if changes do need to happen, everyone here sounds like a fucking 10 year old who wants the fancy toys of one of their friends but has to settle for something perceived to be less.
people around here need to pull their shit together.
There are reasonable complaints and then there is whatever the hell has been going on here for the last few days.
It's totally ridiculous.
You are correct, those defending Borges are clearly not reasonable human beings. It would be like someone trying to defend Gerg's defenses under RR.
Those two comparisons are absurd and completely ignorant of context, making you the unreasonable one for even attempting to compare the two.
I think the O-line should go in a different direction (away from Funk) and not that Borges should be fired, but that start trying to win games using the strengths of his actual team rather than his imaginary team. The O-line is terrible. There is no reason we should be pushed around by every team we play (with the exception of Central). How can Akron come into the Big House and be a 3 yard catch away from a win? What other excuse besides poor coaching can their be?
How can we beat Notre Dame by 11, CMU by 50, and Minnesota by 29, and then turn around and beat Akron by only 4, UConn by only 3, and blow a game at PSU?
Maybe we're a team that is still rebuilding with an incredibly inconsistent quarterback?
Or maybe we have some of the worst coaches in college football who have somehow managed to "Mr. Magoo" their way into several excellent recruiting classes, a BCS bowl win, and a 75% winning percentage?
1. Denard was a better passer as a sophomore first year starting QB under RR than he was as a junior and senior under Borges. He did not imprive at all under Al. That is a fact that indicts Borges.
2. Borges is directly respnsible for losses at Iowa and MSU, arguably OSU last year. And culpable in a couple of others. This is an opinion, but very close to a fact I think.
3. This last game is not the first time that almost incomprehensible lapses in paycalling and offensive strategy have occured. Even to defenders such as yourself.
4. Devin has not improved in decision making or passing with a Spring and Fall for Borges to coach him. Granted, 11 starts in, we would expect some inconsistency, except that Devin has been here for 4 years--3 under Al. There are plenty of examples of first year junior or senior starters stepping in and playing better than Devin is right now (passing).
I think all of the above points, at minimum, to a problem. Whether it justifies outrage is another matter, but I think fair analysis would conclude that criticism of Borges--not just for last game-- is warranted.
1. Was he a better passer, or did he move from an offense that was specifically tailored for his skill set to one that was not specifically tailored for his skill set?
2. It is definitely an opinion, but I wont disagree with you that they play calling has been questionable to bad at times. However, give me the list of schools who absolutely love their offensive coordinator and I will guarantee you it's a very short list.
3. I'm not a "defender" and this isn't an either or thing. Just because I don't believe Borges is the worst coach in the world, who deserves to be at minimum fired at the end of the year, doesn't mean I'm his number one fan. Can we all try to be even a tad bit nuanced here, or are we going to continue to consistently ignore me saying time and time again how the play calling has been at times bad or problematic?
4. Devin has regressed, but saying that also ignores the fact that Borges took a guy who had been playing WR for a full off-season plus half of the regular season last year, and turned him into an extremely competent QB overnight. Perhaps Devin's regression has had something to do with the offensive line play coupled with an extremely inconsistent running game? There might be more to it than Borges somehow failing Devin or screwing him over with bad coaching.
Criticism is definitely warranted, but calling for his head on a pike or saying derogatory things of a personal nature are not.
I made a rational post pointing to serious problems with Al's coaching IMO, which are cause for serious evaluation at season's end. Personal comments are out of line I agree.
To #4, I think it's a bit much to say that Al tuned him into a good QB "overnight." Devin had plenty of practice experience playing QB for us before the move, and I don't think Al gets any special credit for his performcnce last year, any more than Mike Sherman got when Tanneyhill moved back to QB at A&M. And even if he did deserve credit, then the blame hammer should fall even harder for his coaching given this year's regression, which you acknowledge.
Don't count on getting any information to backup the claims of the OP. There are multiple posts on the espn michigan forums spouting this same garbage with absolutely no evidence to support the claim. In fact if anything the evidence would suggest that the D Coaches have done a good job considering the injuries/attrition they have experienced.
This is why I can't place the blame on any of the coaches yet. I look at it that Michigan is 5-0. Most reasonable people predicted Michigan to finish somewhere between 6-6 and 8-4. With the defense this young and inexpereience the team is in great position to hit the high end of those guesses if not better. If anything I would give the coaching staff including Gibson credit for holding the D together.
Are we supposed to reflexively assume the coaches are right or not? Yes for Borges but no for RR? What's the difference?
Evidently ridiculous is in the eye of the beholder. We couldn't run all game, but you say it was ridiculous to do anything but run to win the game.
Sound strategy is to hand Fitz the ball because that was clearly the strength of our game the previous 3.5 quarters?
Yes, you can blame Gardner for the delay of game, I won't argue that. But is he more culpable than Hoke who's coached and played more downs than days Gardner has walked this earth? Is Gardner more culpable than the coach who said that the fault was with the coach because it was teh coach's responsibility to watch the clock and call the timeout?
I like Hoke still, although not quite as much as a few days ago (he had always had balls until then), but Borges has got to go in this bozo's opinion. That is as plain and simple as your concept of strategy.
Running the ball is the right strategy, but how about trying a different form of attack. Plowing Fitz into the line behind 2 TEs and a fullback had been proven To be ineffective.
I think it totally unfair to pin the delay on Gardner. Could he have called TO, sure but so could the coach on the sideline who in the seconds right before a snap ought to have far fewer distracting than Gardner. Hoke owned this mistake and said so in his presser.
Man, Borges really grinds my gears.
Has anyone considered the idea that maybe Hoke is the one putting pressure on Borges to stick with the power run? I mean after all, it was Hoke who paraded out the man ball thing at his opening press conference.
I remeber Borges talking about liking what the Patriots do. My fear is that Hoke is the one preaching power running to the point of absurdity. That said, I doubt Hoke micro-manages to the extent of saying yay or nay to bubble screens. I doubt he'd complain if a future OC wanted to run them.
It's easier for people to just blame Borges rather than consider that our issues might be a bit more systemic and further reaching. There was a time when Schafer was the reason for our terrible defense and not something deeper...
Did anyone think it was Schafer who was at fault? I never did so maybe my memory is hazy. I was seriously impressed with our defense that year. Worst scoring defense in a long time that year, but the D was on the field for 60-70% of the plays each game!
Schafer's firing was always a scapegoat move in my opinion after that 3-9 hell, but maybe that's my revisionist brain at work.
I actually think Shafer was a good coach. Our D seemed to start games real well, but by the 5th or 6th time the offense went 3-and-out, they began to wear down. There was nothing anyone could do to make that defense anything other than statistically terrible.
Just a gut feeling...
But I think Al might be our best hope of convincing Hoke (behind closed doors) that things have to change. He's certainly the one taking the heat. I think this might be why he was trying to dig through his chest in the video... Rather than my first impression that he was just on the defensive and feeling the pressure. After further reflection I'm not so sure Al is the problem.
Yes, I have, and it is concerning. I wonder if Borges would call different plays if he had the choice, but with a Manball Mandate, he has to call yet another run for PDT.
that fat bas***d pissed me off and I stopped watching. I'll read the transcript tomorrow.
I went to his wikipedia page and his resume is pretty impressive. I don't know what to think now.
Are we really going to do Sparty's job for them and start making fun of our own coaches?? Seriously get a fuckin grip everybody. Question the play calling all you want but name calling and pictures of Uncle Fester have no place here.
It's has been an utterly disgusting display.