Bolden & Ringer to be early enrollees - What does that do for recruiting

Submitted by James Burrill Angell on

Article behind a paywall indicating tha Kaleb Ringer and Joe Bolden are both going to enroll early at Michigan so they can go through spring practice. If this is the case that means their scholarships don't count towards the 2012 class and we can sign two more than the Big Ten maximum of 25 guys correct? (so its 27  assuming that the scholarships are available).

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ken725

September 26th, 2011 at 1:58 PM ^

I guess it all depends on further attrition and granting players the 5th year.  I'm not sure if we get to 28, but I think that is the max allowed by the B1G as long as we stay under 85. 

Also, the Jersey Shore episode of Philly was great. 

 

Edit: pwnd by Brian's faster typing

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joeyb

September 26th, 2011 at 3:48 PM ^

That is not correct. The 85 total scholarships has nothing to do with backdating. The only thing that the NCAA checks when backdating is that the backdated scholarships and the scholarships from the previous recruiting class do not exceed 25. We had 20 scholarships last year, so the NCAA would allow us to backdate 5 scholarships for early enrollees. However, the Big Ten has a limit of 3 backdated scholarships per year, which puts our hard cap at 28 scholarships, with 3 of those being backdated.

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CRex

September 26th, 2011 at 2:04 PM ^

The short version is Pipkins is our future NT so we're looking for a three tech.  It appears the DOB has not impressed scouts this season and some people project one of our large DE recruits will grow into a 3Tech.  So we're taking Pipkins and then sprinkling miracle grow over the larger SDE recruits.

In terms of depth and the way Mattison seems to want to play it makes more sense to take 1 Tech DTs.  1 Techs are the key.  Take one every year and those who can't perform as 1 Techs can move to 3 Tech or a DE can grow into it.  

Also this year specifically, the team benefits more from using the remaining spots on OL, WR, and true CB than a DT who is getting lukewarm scouting reports (given that odds are Godin can be grown into the next RVB).  

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74polSKA

September 26th, 2011 at 2:07 PM ^

it doesn't explain why users keep characterizing the situation as the coaches cooling on him or putting the kabosh[sic] as turbo cool put it.  I can see that he may not fit what the coaches want or need at this point, but users are painting it like something dastardly has happened or he's a bad kid. 

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74polSKA

September 26th, 2011 at 3:04 PM ^

I didn't mean to imply you were degrading him or any other player.  Comments make a lot more sense when they come with an explanation and not just a knee jerk reaction. 

Edit:  How was my original comment redundant when nobody else has made that comment on this thread?  I don't care about the negging, I was just curious if I've hit a nerve or something.  I put these here because I couldn't edit the original due to response.

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CRex

September 26th, 2011 at 2:17 PM ^

No idea on that one.  The only thing I can think is the coaches fealt Schutt was just using us to get back at ND.  I could see a situation where Schutt was mad at ND rejectign him and thus flipping to their rival.  The issue there is Schutt isn't here because he wants to be here, he's here because he hates ND.  That's the kind of kid that decommits later when he's had a chance to calm down and think things through.

Also IIRC Schutt wasnted to visit before Pipkins committed.  Schutt may have been rejected to show Pipkin's we were 100% focused on him and lock him down as a commit.  It may well just have been timing and not wanting to risk Pipkin's cooling when we took someone else.

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blue in dc

September 26th, 2011 at 2:29 PM ^

Given the fact that BWC seems to be making progress, some of the SDE recruits will probably be big enough to play DT as true frosh and players like wilkins, I see how you can feel ok at the 3 tech, but tbe NT position is really scary. You pretty much have to assume that either a true frosh or a guy who isn't getting much time now is the starter and that the backup has similar experience. Another option with a DT who could play either interior spot would be hepful.
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<br>Speaking of which, it would be wonderful if anyone in the Pipkins, Goudin, Wormley, Strobel group was going to be enrolling early.

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wlubd

September 26th, 2011 at 1:52 PM ^

Wilson's also an early enrollee so we would be able to sign 28 if we could. Issue has always been the 85 overall limit and not the 25(+3) yearly limit. As of right now, we have 24 scholarships to offer with 22 commits. Still need attrition if we want to get to 26 or higher. Early enrollees allows us to go over 25 as we plan to but 85 is the more important number.

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Ace

September 26th, 2011 at 2:02 PM ^

Yeah, it seems pretty unlikely at this point that Terrence Robinson and Mike Cox would get fifth years. That gets us safely to 26, but there aren't any other clear-cut candidates for a non-renewed fifth year. As players get squeezed out of playing time as the year goes on, however, attrition is always a possibility, if not a probability.

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Bodogblog

September 26th, 2011 at 1:53 PM ^

sweet (i.e. I think you're right).  Would be good to link the article though, even if paywalled, so the site can get their publicity (and hits from those w/ memberships)

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ken725

September 26th, 2011 at 1:54 PM ^

Boy I'm glad I refreshed mgoboard before I posted mine.

This is what was given for free:

 

Michigan's 2012 recruiting class is impressive at linebacker. That group may be a little bit better come August 2012, because two of the committed players plan to enroll at Michigan in January.
I think we can count the EE for last years class, but I don't think that really changes the overall numbers because 85 is the number we actually have to be concerned with. Either way I'm glad these guys want to get a head start.

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SanDiegoWolverine

September 26th, 2011 at 7:45 PM ^

look at the freshman and non-redshirt sophomores and guess which ones might transfer for more playing time. If they were recruited by Rich Rod and they live far from Michigan I would also think that would be a factor in them leaving.

Two people I really hope don't leave are Carvin Johnson and Marvin Robinson. They provide depth at positions we don't really have any and one might turn into a pretty good nickleback. Them living so far away and not having a clear path to starting until their senior years scares me though.

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