which says it all as far as their schedule, who else would be in the conversation for the NC game after winning ONE GAME?
I am tired of Boise State. They have the system figured out. They circle the wagons for one big game over an overrated team and then punish the WAC. The WAC!!! Their conference schedule consists of NMSU, Hawaii, and a toughie, Nevada. They would be a 5th place team in the Big 10 or SEC.
Boise State is the real argument for a playoff system with, say, 16 teams using the top 8 bowls.
I cannot be convinced that Boise State, who play in the eighth or ninth (depending on how you feel about CUSA) best conference are somehow qualified for National Championship consideration by beating an over rated Va Tech team.
Common sense tells you that team loses 3 games in the Big 10 and the SEC and at least two in the PAC 10.
If anything should enable a playoff it's this sort of BS.
bOISE IS AWESOMEEEEEEEEEE
Actually, I think Boise St. is more the real argument of why preseason polls are utter shit.
They really shouldn't be ranking teams until Week 4.
That's why they located themselves in Idaho, purposefully gave themselves no football tradition to speak of, and no booster money. They don't want to be in a good conference. They did it on purpose! It's all a master plan to annoy big-time schools and their fan bases.
... plus they figure out what team will be really overrated a few years beforehand, because they're, like, clairvoyant, so they can schedule their first game of the year against them.
simple fact, if they win out, they have done enough to at least be considered for a chance. They truly are the best example of why a playoff is needed.
Yet whenever they do play the big boys they almost always get it done.
Oklahoma a few years ago, Oregon last year, Va. Tech now, I'm sure there are others but those are just 3 off the top of my head.
They belong in the discussion. To say they don't is to ignore what they've actually done on the field.
It's week 1. There's tons of football left to be played, so, to say they belong in he discussion after week 1 isn't saying a whole lot, but they did make a statement tonight.
When you play 1 or 2 real games a year, it's pretty easy to plan the entire offseason/season for those 2 games when the rest of your schedule might not win the HS state championship in a lot of places.
if the Big Boys were willing to schedule Boise State for a non-con game. As long as BSU is willing to play with anyone, anywhere, without a return date (no home and home,) I think they should be rewarded. It isn't their fault that their schedule is so weak. They should be on the schedule of teams within reasonable distance . . . Washington, Washington State, Oregon, Oregon State, Iowa, Iowa State, Nebraska, Kansas State, Oklahoma, Utah, UNLV, Colorado, ASU. Looking at the polls, Utah, Iowa, Nebraska, Oklahoma, and Oregon are all in the top 25. I would bet cold cash that Boise State would have been willing to go to play ANY of those teams, in place of the weak teams on their schedule.
That the big time time teams don't want to play them anymore? They should be applauded for seeking out big time games with teams that are expected to compete at the top each year. They play a tougher non-conference schedule than just about any auto bid teams. When the whole conference shake up was happening, I was hopeful that the PAC10 would bring them into the fold but that didn't happen. So, they took the next best option and joined the mountain west. What else are they suppose to do? They continue to beat the big guys year after year whether it be at the beginning of the season or in a bowl game. They deserve to be respected and deserve to be in the discussion as one ot the best teams in the country. Period.
let's put Notre Dame, Iowa, Wisconsin, Penn State, and Ohio State on their schedule and we'll see if they finish 13-0.
Additionally, Purdue, MSU, and Illinois are arguably better than anyone Boise will play for the rest of the year. Yet they deserve to be in the top 5?
I don't really agree with that. Boise St will have to play the wait and see game. They will have to wait and see if Alabama, Texas, Oklahoma, Ohio State, or any 2 or more other surprise "establishment" teams go undefeated. I just don't they will get the nod if 2 big name teams go undefeated.
if there are two undefeated teams for major conferences. IMHO, they dont deserve a bid over a one loss major conference team.
Boise St. is No. 3 in both polls. They only have to wait for 'Bama and/or Ohio St. to lose.
Considering their track record, and beating VT, and assuming they beat Oreg. St, I don't think anyone (or any computer) would keep them at No. 3 and have them leap-frogged by an "established" team. That would have happened 2, 3, 4 years ago... but not this year. They are media darlings and America's "Darkhorse".
I personally hope they lose to Oreg. State so this debate can be settled soon. And I hope TCU gets beat by BYU and/or Utah. Navy lost, so at least S.I.'s "BCS Buster" pick is out of the picture.
Which is the sad part..because you have been able to beat a few "name" teams in bowl games suddenly your the darling of the fans... Fact of the matter is that they are a WAC team, football is an easy game when you will face one ranked team all year long and a bunch of tomato cans the rest of the way. Like someone said in an earlier thread that is like Michigan played OSU and 11 UMass the rest of the way.
yesterday was their one game season. It's gotta be pretty easy to get amped up to play 1 game a year. We as Wolverines know that coach Rod has to keep some tricks up his sleeve, so to speak; Boise was able to leave every schematic trick and adjustment on the field - comfortable in the fact that no one will be able to slow them down the rest of the year.
They're still behind any potential unbeaten team from one of the big 6 conferences or the Mountain West. If Boise, OSU, and Georgia all go unbeaten the "championship" game will be OSU-Georgia. For OSU and Georgia you can substitute Wisconsin, Texas, Florida State, West Virginia, Oregon, Utah, or any other team from those conferences.
What's different this year is that Boise will get the nod over a 1-loss major conference team if they run the table.
I disagree with Utah leapfrogging them as they are both in weak conferences (however Utah will play some other big schools, but the conference is still weak), I am also surprised that you left off Alabama from this list.
and won't lose again.....since they don't play anybody else....or I forgot OREGON ST....they are a frontrunner for sure, not like they'll drop in the ratings a whole lot after they win the rest of their games.
Its stupid, but there you have it.
going undefeated and playing shitty competition.
They are rated #3 in the AP. The AP doesn't matter in the BCS equation. They are rated #5 in the Coaches poll, and this is the one that is included in the BCS formula. This may not seem like a big deal, but those 2 spots leave a lot of wiggle room for other teams and for voters to punish the Broncos.
In the National Title Game.
It's all coming to fruition...
Just please go away Boise, nobody wants you here. They're like the person at the party everyone was hoping wouldn't show up.
one thing that i agree with what Lee Corso said " No way do they deserve to be in the title game with that schedule."
Oh come on, Boise is a good team and has proven that time and time again.
Before the game today I blasted them as scheduling too many cupcakes
Now that BSU has won today I can see they are a pretty good team in a crap conference.
If they don't trip up they are pretty much going to the national title game, considering OSU probably won't go undefeated (Wisconsin, Iowa)
Iowa, and Michigan) ... right?
a free ride to the NC game. Does anyone else think that Denard would shit on BS' slow defense 10 times better than Taylor? If only their academics were 1/5th as good as the worst school in the pac 10 they might go 8-4 like every other DECENT team.
The computer poles with eat them alive. I dont think its an issue that they could make the MNC game undefeated over any BCS conference one loss team. Unless VT goes 11-1 or 10-2, I dont think they would even get in over two 2 loss BCS conference champions.
I am ridicuously tired of the hate that Boise is getting. They are an amazing team that consistently proves themselves every year but they are still ridiculed. The only thing all of the detractors can hang their hat on is the fact that "if" Boise was in a BCS division then they would be exposed because of the week in and week out battles with respectable teams. If they were in a power conference then they would get better players on the team. Peterson is doing some incredible coaching with sub par talent and beating national powers. What could he do with talent equivalent to that of an Oklahoma or Texas? Please shut up.
Prove themselves every year by winning one game while every other contender has to win four or five difficult games to prove themselves? OK.
They win the games they're supposed to and the toss ups. That's what a great team does. I guess it's one of two things. Either it is complete jealousy or people who feel that life is better when they can complain about even the most voluntary things. Sounds like a lot of people want Cinderella to get trapped in the pumpkin carriage and sufficate at midnight.
Either it is complete jealousy or people who feel that life is better when they can complain about even the most voluntary things.
No.....it's really not this, I promise.
You have your opinion and I have mine. We could go back and forth forever but it won't change the fact that they have a class act as a coach, beat some great schools in their OOC games and only have one more big game this year in the way of their MNC game hopes.
I can count on 1 hand all the impressive wins over good opponents they have had in the past 5 years. Also, is it really that impressive when every game on your schedule except 1 are games you're supposed to win?
Either it is complete jealousy...
The reason you keep hearing people say that they would have less success with a tougher schedule is because it's true. Hating it won't change the fact that they play 2 decent teams and a whole bunch of crapolla teams. Until they play a tougher schedule the truth will keep catching up with them.
I mean they just beat a VT team that beat my Nebraska team 2 years straight. They're a good team. No problem there.
But what other team would instantly be the NC game frontrunner after winning ONE GAME? Michigan? OSU? Only a team with a crappy schedule where you know they're pretty much certain to run the table now. That's BS and I dont mean Boise State.
Not to make you look purile but a team that is #3 to begin the year and wins the opener against a top ten team should be a MNC front runner.
Isn't it entirely possible that VA Tech is overrated? They returned, what, 4 starters on defense, and they should be ranked tenth in the country?
What if VA Tech loses to FSU, Miami, Georgia Tech, and UNC?
Holy shit. VT has won 10+ games per season the last 6 years. Just stop.
The post I responded to was entirely based on rankings. Rankings that are arbitrarily set before the season. A team can be a MNC contender, but it doesn't mean they deserve to be in the game after one win in the first week. If Boise runs the table, hey, we'll see. But beating a team with a high ranking at the beginning of the season should mean a lot less than beating a team with a high ranking at the end of the season.
I'm thinking the meaning of the wins will only become more apparent near the end of the year when we can see how opponents have done the rest of the year, though it still was a good win for BSU...
Peterson is doing some incredible coaching with sub par talent and beating national powers.
This is an argument for Peterson being a good coach, not for BSU being an elite team. I mean, look at Mount Union: Larry Kehres is a fantastic coach. Imagine what he could do with talent like Texas or Oklahoma. Does this mean we should rank Mount Union #1 in the BCS? Fuck no. So why should the same argument work for BSU? Peterson is a great coach. BSU plays 1-2 football games per year, and then plays a shamefully terrible schedule the rest of the time. If any major program played that schedule, there would be congressional hearings over it. Yet they get a free pass? Forget that. Play the same schedule as everyone else (or at least something comparable), or shut up. It's that simple.
They've TRIED to play a harder schedule but no one will take them.
Im sure people will play them, BSU just wants a home and home. Thats not gonna happen at that stadium. Theres too much money that left off the table. I highly doubt Alabama would rather play PSU than BSU.