which says it all as far as their schedule, who else would be in the conversation for the NC game after winning ONE GAME?
I am tired of Boise State. They have the system figured out. They circle the wagons for one big game over an overrated team and then punish the WAC. The WAC!!! Their conference schedule consists of NMSU, Hawaii, and a toughie, Nevada. They would be a 5th place team in the Big 10 or SEC.
Boise State is the real argument for a playoff system with, say, 16 teams using the top 8 bowls.
I cannot be convinced that Boise State, who play in the eighth or ninth (depending on how you feel about CUSA) best conference are somehow qualified for National Championship consideration by beating an over rated Va Tech team.
Common sense tells you that team loses 3 games in the Big 10 and the SEC and at least two in the PAC 10.
If anything should enable a playoff it's this sort of BS.
Actually, I think Boise St. is more the real argument of why preseason polls are utter shit.
They really shouldn't be ranking teams until Week 4.
That's why they located themselves in Idaho, purposefully gave themselves no football tradition to speak of, and no booster money. They don't want to be in a good conference. They did it on purpose! It's all a master plan to annoy big-time schools and their fan bases.
... plus they figure out what team will be really overrated a few years beforehand, because they're, like, clairvoyant, so they can schedule their first game of the year against them.
simple fact, if they win out, they have done enough to at least be considered for a chance. They truly are the best example of why a playoff is needed.
Yet whenever they do play the big boys they almost always get it done.
Oklahoma a few years ago, Oregon last year, Va. Tech now, I'm sure there are others but those are just 3 off the top of my head.
They belong in the discussion. To say they don't is to ignore what they've actually done on the field.
It's week 1. There's tons of football left to be played, so, to say they belong in he discussion after week 1 isn't saying a whole lot, but they did make a statement tonight.
When you play 1 or 2 real games a year, it's pretty easy to plan the entire offseason/season for those 2 games when the rest of your schedule might not win the HS state championship in a lot of places.
if the Big Boys were willing to schedule Boise State for a non-con game. As long as BSU is willing to play with anyone, anywhere, without a return date (no home and home,) I think they should be rewarded. It isn't their fault that their schedule is so weak. They should be on the schedule of teams within reasonable distance . . . Washington, Washington State, Oregon, Oregon State, Iowa, Iowa State, Nebraska, Kansas State, Oklahoma, Utah, UNLV, Colorado, ASU. Looking at the polls, Utah, Iowa, Nebraska, Oklahoma, and Oregon are all in the top 25. I would bet cold cash that Boise State would have been willing to go to play ANY of those teams, in place of the weak teams on their schedule.
That the big time time teams don't want to play them anymore? They should be applauded for seeking out big time games with teams that are expected to compete at the top each year. They play a tougher non-conference schedule than just about any auto bid teams. When the whole conference shake up was happening, I was hopeful that the PAC10 would bring them into the fold but that didn't happen. So, they took the next best option and joined the mountain west. What else are they suppose to do? They continue to beat the big guys year after year whether it be at the beginning of the season or in a bowl game. They deserve to be respected and deserve to be in the discussion as one ot the best teams in the country. Period.
let's put Notre Dame, Iowa, Wisconsin, Penn State, and Ohio State on their schedule and we'll see if they finish 13-0.
Additionally, Purdue, MSU, and Illinois are arguably better than anyone Boise will play for the rest of the year. Yet they deserve to be in the top 5?
I don't really agree with that. Boise St will have to play the wait and see game. They will have to wait and see if Alabama, Texas, Oklahoma, Ohio State, or any 2 or more other surprise "establishment" teams go undefeated. I just don't they will get the nod if 2 big name teams go undefeated.
if there are two undefeated teams for major conferences. IMHO, they dont deserve a bid over a one loss major conference team.
Boise St. is No. 3 in both polls. They only have to wait for 'Bama and/or Ohio St. to lose.
Considering their track record, and beating VT, and assuming they beat Oreg. St, I don't think anyone (or any computer) would keep them at No. 3 and have them leap-frogged by an "established" team. That would have happened 2, 3, 4 years ago... but not this year. They are media darlings and America's "Darkhorse".
I personally hope they lose to Oreg. State so this debate can be settled soon. And I hope TCU gets beat by BYU and/or Utah. Navy lost, so at least S.I.'s "BCS Buster" pick is out of the picture.
Which is the sad part..because you have been able to beat a few "name" teams in bowl games suddenly your the darling of the fans... Fact of the matter is that they are a WAC team, football is an easy game when you will face one ranked team all year long and a bunch of tomato cans the rest of the way. Like someone said in an earlier thread that is like Michigan played OSU and 11 UMass the rest of the way.
yesterday was their one game season. It's gotta be pretty easy to get amped up to play 1 game a year. We as Wolverines know that coach Rod has to keep some tricks up his sleeve, so to speak; Boise was able to leave every schematic trick and adjustment on the field - comfortable in the fact that no one will be able to slow them down the rest of the year.
They're still behind any potential unbeaten team from one of the big 6 conferences or the Mountain West. If Boise, OSU, and Georgia all go unbeaten the "championship" game will be OSU-Georgia. For OSU and Georgia you can substitute Wisconsin, Texas, Florida State, West Virginia, Oregon, Utah, or any other team from those conferences.
What's different this year is that Boise will get the nod over a 1-loss major conference team if they run the table.
I disagree with Utah leapfrogging them as they are both in weak conferences (however Utah will play some other big schools, but the conference is still weak), I am also surprised that you left off Alabama from this list.
and won't lose again.....since they don't play anybody else....or I forgot OREGON ST....they are a frontrunner for sure, not like they'll drop in the ratings a whole lot after they win the rest of their games.
Its stupid, but there you have it.
going undefeated and playing shitty competition.
They are rated #3 in the AP. The AP doesn't matter in the BCS equation. They are rated #5 in the Coaches poll, and this is the one that is included in the BCS formula. This may not seem like a big deal, but those 2 spots leave a lot of wiggle room for other teams and for voters to punish the Broncos.
In the National Title Game.
It's all coming to fruition...
Just please go away Boise, nobody wants you here. They're like the person at the party everyone was hoping wouldn't show up.
one thing that i agree with what Lee Corso said " No way do they deserve to be in the title game with that schedule."
Oh come on, Boise is a good team and has proven that time and time again.
Before the game today I blasted them as scheduling too many cupcakes
Now that BSU has won today I can see they are a pretty good team in a crap conference.
If they don't trip up they are pretty much going to the national title game, considering OSU probably won't go undefeated (Wisconsin, Iowa)
Iowa, and Michigan) ... right?
a free ride to the NC game. Does anyone else think that Denard would shit on BS' slow defense 10 times better than Taylor? If only their academics were 1/5th as good as the worst school in the pac 10 they might go 8-4 like every other DECENT team.
The computer poles with eat them alive. I dont think its an issue that they could make the MNC game undefeated over any BCS conference one loss team. Unless VT goes 11-1 or 10-2, I dont think they would even get in over two 2 loss BCS conference champions.
I am ridicuously tired of the hate that Boise is getting. They are an amazing team that consistently proves themselves every year but they are still ridiculed. The only thing all of the detractors can hang their hat on is the fact that "if" Boise was in a BCS division then they would be exposed because of the week in and week out battles with respectable teams. If they were in a power conference then they would get better players on the team. Peterson is doing some incredible coaching with sub par talent and beating national powers. What could he do with talent equivalent to that of an Oklahoma or Texas? Please shut up.
Prove themselves every year by winning one game while every other contender has to win four or five difficult games to prove themselves? OK.
They win the games they're supposed to and the toss ups. That's what a great team does. I guess it's one of two things. Either it is complete jealousy or people who feel that life is better when they can complain about even the most voluntary things. Sounds like a lot of people want Cinderella to get trapped in the pumpkin carriage and sufficate at midnight.
Either it is complete jealousy or people who feel that life is better when they can complain about even the most voluntary things.
No.....it's really not this, I promise.
You have your opinion and I have mine. We could go back and forth forever but it won't change the fact that they have a class act as a coach, beat some great schools in their OOC games and only have one more big game this year in the way of their MNC game hopes.
I can count on 1 hand all the impressive wins over good opponents they have had in the past 5 years. Also, is it really that impressive when every game on your schedule except 1 are games you're supposed to win?
Either it is complete jealousy...
The reason you keep hearing people say that they would have less success with a tougher schedule is because it's true. Hating it won't change the fact that they play 2 decent teams and a whole bunch of crapolla teams. Until they play a tougher schedule the truth will keep catching up with them.
I mean they just beat a VT team that beat my Nebraska team 2 years straight. They're a good team. No problem there.
But what other team would instantly be the NC game frontrunner after winning ONE GAME? Michigan? OSU? Only a team with a crappy schedule where you know they're pretty much certain to run the table now. That's BS and I dont mean Boise State.
Not to make you look purile but a team that is #3 to begin the year and wins the opener against a top ten team should be a MNC front runner.
Isn't it entirely possible that VA Tech is overrated? They returned, what, 4 starters on defense, and they should be ranked tenth in the country?
What if VA Tech loses to FSU, Miami, Georgia Tech, and UNC?
Holy shit. VT has won 10+ games per season the last 6 years. Just stop.
The post I responded to was entirely based on rankings. Rankings that are arbitrarily set before the season. A team can be a MNC contender, but it doesn't mean they deserve to be in the game after one win in the first week. If Boise runs the table, hey, we'll see. But beating a team with a high ranking at the beginning of the season should mean a lot less than beating a team with a high ranking at the end of the season.
I'm thinking the meaning of the wins will only become more apparent near the end of the year when we can see how opponents have done the rest of the year, though it still was a good win for BSU...
Peterson is doing some incredible coaching with sub par talent and beating national powers.
This is an argument for Peterson being a good coach, not for BSU being an elite team. I mean, look at Mount Union: Larry Kehres is a fantastic coach. Imagine what he could do with talent like Texas or Oklahoma. Does this mean we should rank Mount Union #1 in the BCS? Fuck no. So why should the same argument work for BSU? Peterson is a great coach. BSU plays 1-2 football games per year, and then plays a shamefully terrible schedule the rest of the time. If any major program played that schedule, there would be congressional hearings over it. Yet they get a free pass? Forget that. Play the same schedule as everyone else (or at least something comparable), or shut up. It's that simple.
They've TRIED to play a harder schedule but no one will take them.
Im sure people will play them, BSU just wants a home and home. Thats not gonna happen at that stadium. Theres too much money that left off the table. I highly doubt Alabama would rather play PSU than BSU.
Did you even read the article?
Bleymaier is making a nearly unheard of offer in college football scheduling – Boise will bring its popular, high-profile, top-10 team to any stadium in any town to play any big name team in America in 2011. And they don’t have to return the date in Idaho.
you know how they can play a harder schedule? PLAY IN A LEGIT CONFERENCE!
you know how people bitch and moan when an elite team plays teams like nevada, san diego state or middle tennessee state? boise st plays them nearly every week all season long. seems like maybe they should do something about that.
sombrero de asno
You make it seem like they planned to be in a shitty conference. It's barely been a decade since they jumped to the FBS. They are trying to go to more legitimate conferences, the MWC.
This point is irrelevant. Their schedule is what it is and it remains the crux of the issue. What incentives to BCS teams have to play Boise? VaTech had way more on the line than Boise did because VaTech has to then go a play an ACC schedule. Now, go replace VaTech with any other team from a BCS conference.
The current system dictates that you need to be undefeated in order to earn a spot in the title game. Boise and TCU have a distinct and very unfair advantage when it comes to going undefeated. Sorry, there's no way around that fact.
They had an entire off season to prepare for one team. In bowl games they have an entire month to prepare. It's way more difficult to try and beat Iowa-Wisconsin-MSU all with one week's preparation than it is to beat VaTech with a month's worth of prep. Even so, all of the big wins they've had (Oklahoma, Oregon, VaTech) were by the skin of their teeth.
They're Wisconsin/Georgia not Ohio State/Alabama/Florida.
This was the worst argument of the bunch. You don't dispute the fact that BSU beats national powers, which are elite teams, but you say they aren't an elite team? Peterson is the coach, therefore he is apart of the team. He makes them elite. We'll never know how this team would do this year or the past couple if they were to have played in the Big Ten or Big 12. What we know is that they can beat any team, home or away, on any given night.
Btw, they tried to get into a better conference and now that conference has lost Utah and BYU, who both beat some pretty good BCS teams.
Not your best work.
Name all of the bcs conference national powers they have beaten in the last 5 years
You posit: If they were in a power conference then they would get better players on the team.
Also, if they were in a power conference they would play better players every god damned week. Face it, aside from twice a year and once in a bowl Boise plays nothing but cupcakes; they never face the grind of real competition as in the B10 or, god help me, the Ess Eee Cee.
Sure, they'd get a few better players but the grind of the power conference schedule would definitely take its toll in losses.
But you're Canadian.
You're right and I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. Are people not seeing the same team we see? This team is good, beats everybody they need to and it's amazing how every single top 10 team they beat is suddenly "overrated" or that the team losing is "not surprising with all their flaws". I don't understand the hate. I'm sorry but Boise would beat us along with pretty much the whole country.
Dan Hawkins would like to talk to you...
What could he do with talent equivalent to that of an Oklahoma or Texas?
I remember when people said that about Dan Hawkins.
If there aren't two undefeated teams, I bet they get passed by a 1-loss team
Well, get used to it.
They will be 2 TD chalk against everyone else on their slate
I predicted in my post today that if they win, that I would be money on them being the #1 in the coaches poll when the season ends. I cant imagine that ranking not getting them into the final game. I wouldnt be surprised if they're the top ranked team in that poll before November begins
Not an endorsement, just a prediction
But get used to this argument, My suggestion? Enjoy the ride and try to make money off of Boise. Its why I dont mind them being here. People keep doubting them, I'll keep picking them.
Yep, that win against TCU, beating a team from the MWC, that proved it.
Let me say this: I think, despite the defensive issues, UM would beat Boise State. Boise required a series of blown calls from officials to beat a middling to good VT team. Other than beating Oregon last year, Boise just hasn't done anything that impresses me (no, beating OU in a bowl game doesn't count - everybody has done that). Even with Oregon State on their schedule, they still play one of the sorriest schedules in major college football. Unfortunately, we're going to have to listen to people piss and moan about how good they are until they get into the BCS title game, where they will get absolutely killed (think Cincinnati-Florida from last year). This team just isn't that good, and teams with more talent will handle them.
...so I hate to agree with him.
I am a huge Michigan fan. If Michigan played Boise, they would hang 50 on our defense with Kellen Moore at QB so that argument is silly. I always, ALWAYS hear this argument on Boise getting beaten by teams with "more talent"(look at the earlier thread tonight) yet time and time again they win. I don't see the problem with giving them a chance at the MNC(if there aren't two BCS conf unbeatens). If they get killed, then they blew their only chance, but if they win it settles the argument once and for all
Boise State would have beat Michigan by 28 had they played on Saturday. It would have been a tragic blood bath.
EDIT: I like how you used Cincinnati - Florida, which was BCS vs BCS, not Utah vs Alabama or BSU vs Oklahoma or Utah vs Pitt, which was BCS vs Non-BCS and the non-BCS team won. At least use Hawaii vs Georgia if you wanna laugh at the little guy.
EDIT 2: I'm remembering this comment when 12-0 Boise shit rocks 12-0 OSU in the National Title game.
I think you meant 12-0 Boise against 11-1 Ohio St in the National Championship game
Your actually gonna use Bama/Utah as a defense?? Please Bama 2008 is Michigan 2006 a team that lost their last game to the #1 team in the country and simply did not care about their bowl game...
Utah/Pitt..you mean 3 loss Pitt??? A team that everyone said would lose to Utah that year.
I'll give you Boise/OU even though OU was using a WR as a QB and has been a bowl whipping boy since USC put it on them in the title game years before.
Fact is when you only have to get up for about 2 games a year it makes a difference compared to having to claw and fight through 6 or 7 tough teams a year.
You mean 11-1 with a devastating loss to Michigan which somehow sees them remain as #2?
Is Boise a good team? Absolutly they are..they might be able to beat UM..but by 28 are you kidding me? Explain to me how that defense could stop Michigan from hanging 40 on them.
Really I could understand if you wanted to argue that they would beat UM..I would not agree but i would understand. But your not the 1st person to say that they would blow us out like this is 2008 or something. If i got to chose whether to play Boise or ND on saturday..wed be playing on the blue turf I guarantee you.
Boise is like 50x better than ND this year. To prefer to play on the blue turf next week than by FieldGoal Jesus is just pure ignorance. Boise's passing offense is leagues beyond ND's at this point.
You would choose to play at Boise, and I respect that. However, Michigan would lose by at least 2 TDs. on the smurf turf if they were playing there on Saturday. And I'd have zero problem laying those points
Playing in South Bend is a lot easier than playing in Boise. Its not even close.
After watching BSU's defense, I don't think they could keep you guys under 40 points. Might they win 49-42? Sure, but they're not an elite team. A very good team (Maybe an Iowa level team); tier 2, to be sure. I just don't think they can hang with more talented teams. 7-11 vs BCS conference schools in the past decade doesn't make them an elite team.
anyone (including TCU) gets anointed. I would fell better about Boise if they would manipulate their schedule to allow their tough games at the end of the season.
Oregon St will get eaten alive in Boise in 2 weeks...if Va Tech couldn't pound the rock against them Oreg St sure as heck wont..... The only hiccup they could run into is Fresno St. Even then if Bama can go undefeated then I have no doubts Ingram and Richardson will run all over BSU.
NTOSU is well coached too...and they are hungry...they have an NFL 1st rounder in Paea...and a pretty good college RB in Rodgers (his brother's pretty good too.) Don't count them out. They know the score and need redemption post TCU.
Game on JT...
You think the new QB can improve that much in 2 weeks to roll into Boise on the blue Turf and win a game. If a vet like Masoli couldn't get it done i dont see a kid making his 3rd start with arguably less offensive talent getting the job done.
I'll give the Beavs a chance. Not a huge one, but a chance none the less.
I think if they catch Boise on a night where they aren't totally sharp, it will be close, and you never know what can happen.
Plus, ORST has a BYE this coming week, so two weeks to prepare and get rested.
imagine alabama losing to florida but still able to win the SEC championship game. They would for sure jump them.
For people who want a playoff and a true champion in major college football, Boise is our best friend. Any time they are good with a perfect record, whatever happens to them, playoff proponents can make dust of the BCS system
How can people be so sure BSU would only win 8 or 9 games in a BCS conference? They've consistently won games against good BCS conference competition over the last five years- so past results give no indication that they'd suddenly struggle with better competition. The
only "facts" we know here are that this is an incredibly well-coached team that has successfully taken on just about every challenger over the last half-decade.
Yeah. The SEC fans have to keep saying they know that Boise couldn't win at that level in a "real" conference. The "SEC is so impossible" cover story gives the SEC teams freedom to have 3 really cool luxuries: the ability to to play no one in non-conference (especially on the road), the ability to fart away a loss or two in the league every year (2 is even cool if they are early on in the season), and finally get all the voters throwing high rankings their way thoughtlessly.
Simple actually when you dont have to get up week after week for tough teams, your football life becomes extremely easy. You truly believe that they could always win these games when in late october/early november their schedule might be @Wisky, @Iowa, and home to Nebraska or maybe @LSU, @Fla and home to Bama...????
Instead theirs looks like @NMSU, @La Tech, and home to San Jose St.....that is all one needs to know what its like to be Boise St...and dont give me the bottom feeders of the Power Conferences are comparable to the bottom feeders of the WAC. A team like Indiana will blow away the SJSU and NMSU teams of the world.
Ole Miss lost to a D-1AA team, so did Kansas. Minnesota almost lost to some school in Middle Tennessee or something. Maybe you shouldn't just make shit up. Oh and Cincinnati lost to Fresno. Ooops.
Congrats you just used a bunch of bottom feeders as a defense. At no point did i say they would struggle against those teams, in fact i agree they would steamroll those teams.
However, I will stand by the fact that until they have to fave adversity against 3 or 4 good teams week after week, then i will continue to say it is much easier knowing your tough games come in early september and it's a cake walk the rest of the way.
A team like Indiana will blow away the SJSU and NMSU teams of the world.
I was responding to this - clearly you're wrong about it.
exceptions do not prove the rule, friend.
I really dont have time to argue the haters. Again. On a team that just gets it done.
The program has beat a Big 12 Champ, a Pac 10 Champ and Mountain West Champ, is 4-2 SU, 6-0 ATS in 6 games against the #2 and #3 Pac 10 teams and now has taken down the best program in the ACC. In their backyard. With 80,000 rabid Hoke-A-Lokes screaming at them.
Clearly, they would be overmatched in the Big 10
I havent changed my tune in three years here. I would take this program at home against every team in the Big 10, but OSU, and I would take them to win on the road in most games
Would they run the table? No. Not many teams go unbeaten in the Big 10. But, they would be BCS Bowl contenders every year. Being in a league like ours would ensure the pipeline of talent they're already getting would continue to come in droves. They would not be at a talent or speed disadvantage. It would be the opposite. Jeebus, folks, they would steam roll IU, Illinois, Purdue, Minny. I cant even imagine the hurt Boise would put on Sparty. It would be LOLtastic. Line them up in row, It would not matter. They would have pantsed Penn State in any of the last couple of years. This year, it would be a joke. Even in Happy Valley. They would be contenders for a BCS Bid coming out of the Big 10. I have no doubt about it. I've been watching this program since the start. This isnt 2005 any more when they were cute.
This is an ELITE College Football Program
So you're saying BSU would be way better than the bottom of the B10? Since when is the 2nd or 3rd or even 4th (which is where you have them or you would have included wisky or iowa in that list) mentioned in national championship talk....after the first game?
sorry i didnt list all the league
I think my point is pretty clear
I would bet on them to beat every team at home. Most of them on the road. Really I dont know about OSU, either way, and thats about it.
They would have smoked us on Saturday.
I don't see it.
and no bsu plays 1 game a year. must be rough.
Sorry, man. We need to define elite. When you say that I think of Alabama et al. Boise is good, not that good.
This is their resume:
That's it. That's their big wins. Not to mention that they lost to Washington in 2007. That year the Huskies ended up 4-9.
Sorry, man. I'll give them Very Good status like Wisconsin, Iowa, Georgia, and so on. But that ain't elite.
Lost to ULM in 2007
And got bitchslapped in a Sugar Bowl by a midmajor.
So, what, they're elite because of one excellent year?
I'm not sure you really have a grip on the defiinition of elite, either.
You might be right about my grip of the definition of elite but, come on man, Alabama's only had one good year? Really?
The point is that Boise has won 4 games of note going back to 2006, and now they're one game and a bunch of tomato cans away from a berth in the national championship game. Smells like bullshit to me.
My comment on Alabama was ridiculous on purpose to match your ridiclous assertion Boise isnt elite. You can claim they dont deserve a shot at the title based on their schedule, thats fine. But you're ignoring a whole lot of facts, results, and roster breakdowns if you dont think Boise State is an elite power in the current day landscape.
Your definition of elite is clearer after your last comment and I would agree that they can go toe to toe with anybody. There's a reason why major programs aren't eager to play them. But people aren't eager to play Wisconsin and Iowa OOC either. Those teams can go toe to toe with anyone, too. Are those teams elite?
Hell I'll even grant you that Boise is probably better than Iowa and Wisconsin, they impressed me tonight. They're really good and would beat the pants off Michigan and everyone in the Big Ten except Ohio State, to whom they'd still pose a significant threat. Don't get me wrong, I don't hate them.
Regarding their schedule, they handle it like I would expect a strong BCS level team to handle a schedule like that. It's just hard for me to look at them and see how they would do with facing a Big 10 / Pac 10 / SEC / Big 12 schedule week in, week out. They'd have to show more and more every game and, sooner or later, Northwestern / Purdue / Indiana is going to jump up and beat them. The WAC will never challenge them enough to "deserve" it more than teams that have to put up with that on a weekly basis. That sucks for them, but 'tis what it is.
The SEC champ and the Big 10 champ usually get 4 big wins per year and BSU has had 4 in the past 5 years. I just don't see how they are elite. I remember our NC team...beating Washington State gave us our 8th victory against a ranked team that year alone and we shared the NC. I know it is a different time before the bcs, but I have a much different view of an elite team
and Boise lost to 4-9 Washington in 07. Not to mention we got bitchslapped at home by that same midmajor. But, Bama followed up with 1 loss to the national champs in 08 and didn't give 2 rips about the Sugar Bowl, much like we didn't give 2 rips about the Rose Bowl in 06. You really think a team can get up for a game when they were 1 game away from the National Title game??
It simply doesn't happen, hell Auburn who didn't get a shot at it on 04 looked like crap against Va Tech in the Sugar Bowl but found a way to win it.
you keep doing a good job of coming up with excuses as to why teams lost to these allegedly lesser clubs
I should thank you
Its because of people like you, I'm able to keep winning money on them without paying exorbitant prices.
These teams never win, there is always something else going on. blah, blah, excuses, excuses. I would have zero problem betting this club week in, week out against the Big 10 slate. And that's how I judge them.
I acknowledge that Boise State is a very good team and has been for some time now. That is beside the point. The play in the WAC. Because they play in the WAC, they have a pathetically easy schedule every year. Therefore, they don't deserve to play in the MNC game.
"But they beat the good teams when they play them." So what? They only play 2 or 3 difficult games per year. Teams in the major conferences have to play at least 6 or 7 very difficult games each year, not counting a bowl.
"It's not BSU's fault the rest of their conference sucks." True, but the point is that the rest of the WAC sucks. If the rest of the WAC was any good, nobody would have a problem with Boise State going to the MNC.
"If BSU wins the MNC, people will be so outraged that we'll finally get a playoff system." I doubt it wiould have much effect. People have been outraged about some of the bizarre things that have happened in previous seasons and it has never really prompted any major changes. NCAA football is moving toward an eventual playoff system but the galcial pace will not be materially accelerated by anything Boise State does.
And another thing: that blue astroturf is just a freaking crime.
6 or 7 very difficult games? Please tell me your kidding. Ready, find 6 or 7 "very difficult games" in this schedule:
I'll give you @LSU for sure, @UConn? Don't think so, @Louisville? Not really consideirng they just got beat by Kentucky, @Pitt? They sure looked "very difficult" losing to Utah, Cinci at home? Considering they just lost to a WAC team I'm assuming that doesn't help your argument...
This is WVU's schedule. Don't tell me every team in a major conference plays 6-7 "very difficult" games when that's straight up not true. Yes SEC/BigTen/Pac10 true, but ACC/Big East are certainly not playing those kind of schedules and are still BCS conferences.
South Florida, UConn, Cincinnati, Pitt, and Rutgers are much tougher games than any game vs the WAC. That schedule is much, much more difficult than BSU's
I never said it was easier than BSU's (I don't think I even mentioned BSU once), and I certainly wouldn't argue that point. All I'm disagreeing with is the notion that every team in a major conference plays "at least 6 or 7 very difficult games." Just because a team is in a major conference doesn't mean they're playing national championship contenders every other week.
You managed to find a team in a major conference that doesn't have to play at least 6 or 7 very difficult games every year. Of course, you did have to resort to the Big East, which is a shadow of its former self after having lost Miami, VT, and BC to the ACC. But it's still a much tougher league than the WAC.
Comparing Boise's to WVU...
Who is Pitt? Who is UConn? Who is Rutgers? Let's say LSU is VA Tech. Why do you not think UConn is a hard game? They were just outside the polls this year, so you could equate them with Oregon State. TCU is a difficult comparison, but let's roll Rutgers and Pitt into one for that, only because there is no real comparison right now. There we go, we have a comparable schedule. Now let's forget about Maryland, USF, and Cinci, right? Those are not good teams, but would they beat NMSU and LA Tech. Probably.
Wasn't trying to compare to BSU at all. UConn isn't any easy game but they're certainly not "very difficult" by any stretch. Just saying not every team is playing 6-7 very difficult games as was asserted.
This is true. But I don't think a lot of people (here at least) would want Boise in the Big East or ACC. They'd want them in the Big 12 or PAC 10 to prove their worth.
We all really need Michigan to be good again(or more accurately continue with the effort from UCONN), so people can stop exhausting their energies on hating on every other team. Here's what I know, Boise St has beat the Pac 10 and MWC champs last year. They beat the team that is the favorite for the ACC this year in their backyard. They would destroy every Big Ten team this year not named OSU(and there I'd give them a 40% shot). it may not be "fair", but then again they have no room for error. While OSU or Florida are allowed slip ups against lesser competition(i.e Ole Miss or Illinois), Boise is not. If they lose a game, the best they can hope for is like the Humanitarian Bowl or some other crap like that. This year i think they would win the ACC, Big East, Big 12, or Pac 10 and compete in the Big Ten or SEC. They deserve a shot at the MNC if they go unbeaten and there aren't two other BCS conf teams that are also unbeaten. This is my last word on the topic. Can we PLEASE go back to talking about Michigan football and the amazingness that is Denard Robinson.
Correction: The U and Florida State are both better than Va Tech. You know who Miami scheduled out of conference? The cupcake FAMU and then Ohio State and Pitt. Thats how you do it.
Boise has done everything in their power to improve the scheduling. They've made it known they'll play anyone, anywhere... and yet most of the time the only calls they get are from the Oregon schools. They tried to move to the Mountain West, only to see it turn into the WAC + TCU. What is Boise supposed to do? Tell people not to vote for them? If Boise were in a BCS conference they might struggle, sure. But they're not in a BCS conference. No BCS conference wants them. So more power to them.
And this is coming from a dude who hates the blue turf and the terrible horse logo and the fact that they supposedly have a horrible fanbase. I'd much rather see TCU or BYU win a national championship. But really, Boise has earned every scrap of respect they get.
Man Boise always wantin a home and home or sum shit like that and other schools are basically like no. They had a long discussion on ESPN about it the other day, basically Boise Sytate hasnt earned it yet. Theyre going to have to go on the road and play @ Texas, Miami, Bama, etc. So you're sayin Miami would rather play Ohio State than Boise? Bama would rather play Penn State and Michigan than Boise?
The fact is Boise isnt in those leagues yet and has to suck it up until they can build a fan base and the respect to get a home and home. As of right now they havent. Bobby Bowden did it for Florida State.
Man Boise always wantin a home and home or sum shit like that and other schools are basically like no.
What on earth are you talking about? Do you have any evidence to back up this assertion?
Because Boise State plays an overrated V Tech who always seems to lose the big games and Michigan has to play @ #2 Ohio State, vs #9 Iowa, vs #12 Wisconsin, and @ #19 Penn State. Throw in the mix Michigan State and Notre Dame and starting next year Nebraska. Yea Boise State has just a tough of a road.
A part of me wants to sacrifice 1 year and see Boise State in the BCS and see them get slaughtered by 30 against Alabama so we can put this to rest. you saw what happened when Cincy had to play the big boys.
Boise State could be a top 5 team but we wont know until they start playin more than 1 decent team and 11 cupcake teams.
So it has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that they haven't lost a regular season game since 2007 against Hawaii?
They've openly stated they wanted to play ranked teams. The ranked teams instead want to fill up their schedules with fluff teams, they fear that if they pick the wrong filler team that they will set themselves back in the BCS run.
Hell they are switching conferences for a better shot at the NC. What more do you guys want? The nay sayers say they don't have enough schedule to warrant it, and the bigger schools don't want to face them to hurt their own. Look what happened to V-Tech, look what happened to Oregon. The USCs, the Ohio States, the Texas teams want nothing to do with BS because they are actually competitive. Boise State is a powerhouse team that can hold their own against ranked teams, but is stuck in at large conferences. If you don't let the team compete against the big dogs, how can you tell who is truly the better team?
Agreed. They are willing to play anybody, anywhere, even if not a home-and-home. Nobody is arguing that their schedule is not easy. The point is that they try to improve their schedule, but a lot of the top teams want nothing to do with them. Teams are afraid to play them because there is no upside. If they lose to BSU, they get hammered for losing in a way that they would not had they lost to a similarly-ranked Florida. If they were to beat BSU, people would discount it and say that BSU was just overrated. Does BSU have to pay for major teams being risk-averse?
The point is that their schedule does get taken into account, which is why they have to be undefeated (and win convincingly) in order to even have a shot, while an SEC team could make, and has made, the NC game with two losses.
You can get upset about their easier path to the NC, but to claim that they would be middle of the pack in any of the BCS conferences is delusional. They are a very good, and very experienced, team.
Boise St is the Gonzaga of the college basketball. a great little media darling from podunkville who was gotten to a point where they on a given day can beat the best of the best.
Problem is that Gonzaga while on a given day can beat anyone has proven in the tournament they just cant run through the top tier teams without a week or two to get ready.
No one disagree's that Boise could probably beat a lot of power teams with time to get ready. What most of us are wanting to see is that they can go on the road to Wisconsin the first weekend of november and then host Iowa the next week followed with a trip to Happy Valley the next week and win all 3. At least that is all I am asking...now i'm not saying those are all great teams, but they are good teams capable of catching a top team on any given saturday.
I just dont see why winning one game against a team that has been a chronic underachiever the last 6 or 7 yrs suddenly puts you in the drivers seat.
I am sorry, but I have to call bull on the whole "extra time to get ready" argument. BSU did not sneak up on VT. BSU may have had all offseason to get ready for VT, but VT also had extra time to get ready for BSU.
Exactly I agree, like i said Peterson has proven with plenty of time to prepare he is a great coach. What I want to see is what he can do with he has to be prepared for 3 straight games against above average teams. I mean think about this week for instance...you really think he is gonna put that much time into getting ready for Wyoming?? His mind is probably already on NTOSU in 2 weeks. If he gets through that the only other team of note might be Fresno St who just beat a Cinci team with a new coach and playing their first game on the road under a new system.
Why is every team Boise State beats overrated? God, they must pick'em good to get all the overrated teams.
How is simply observing that Boise State plays one difficult team and should win the next eleven games against inferior opponents because they have an easy schedule "hating?" I agree that they should make it to the title game now. And I hope it makes the NCAA finally wake up and determine a true champion on the field like every other sport in every other division does.
The BCS deserves a "championship game" that nobody outside of the "home" markets watches. They are fifty percent of the way there already.
This entire thread is an argument that can't be solved.
Side 1: They don't play anybody
Side 2: That's because they're in the WAC
Side 1: Then they should schedule at Alabama, at Ohio State, at Michigan, and at Texas the first four weeks.
Side 2: Nobody will play them!
Side 1: It's because they want people to come to Idaho.
Side 2: No they don't.
There is no right answer. All I know is that as somebody else said they probably win 4 to 5 of the BCS conferences this year. They played a virtual away game against a Top 10, conference favorite team. They play another Top 25 team at home. They're moving into a BCS conference with BYU, Utah, and TCU. Two of those teams bolted.
Is Boise State a really, really good team? Yes. You're ignorant of football if you claim otherwise.
Do they deserve a spot in the title game over any BCS (minus the Big East) conference team that is also undefeated? No. The WAC sucks but it's not like Fresno State and Nevada are freaking push overs. They'll play at least 5 solid bowl-worthy teams this year.
Is they never play major-conference opponents with only one week to prepare, or at a non-neutral site (ask yourself -- would they have beaten VT last night in Blacksburg?). This year they get Oregon State (in Boise), so we'll see what happens in that game. But regardless, playing VT with six months to prepare, or playing OU in a bowl with a month (and a whole season of film) to prepare is nothing like playing them with five days to prepare. Those victories are impressive, but it's a different class of game than playing inside your conference against teams that know you every week, half the time on their home fields.
Could even this Boise State team, returning 20 starters, survive a BIg Ten schedule? Possible -- they are really good, and VT had plenty of time to prepare for them. But likely? No.
I think probably someone in the WAC will upset them this year. Like you say, a couple of those teams are pretty good, and they know this particular Boise State team well. @Nevada could be it -- Nevada plays Cal, BYU, UNLV, and Colorado State out of conference, so they will be a seasoned team when Boise State comes to town.
Also, BSU plays @Wyoming in two weeks -- I have no idea if they are good, but I actually heard some ESPN bozo predict Wyoming has a shot against Texas this week, so there's that.
Boise State is a good team. I don't think anyone is denying that. The question is do they deserve to have a title shot if they run the table. I say it depends. If the top team in the Big Ten, SEC, Pac Ten, Big Twelve has one loss, in most cases that would still trump an undefeated Boise State. Why? Because Boise State would also have at least one loss if they were in those conferences.
Beating Virginia Tech is an impressive win. But having Nevada, Fresno State, Louisiana Tech, Utah State, Hawaii, Idaho, San Jose State, New Mexico State in your conference does not compare with the other conferences.
I don't see what the big deal is. Bowden's FSU championship teams of the 90s did pretty much the same thing and nobody complained about their shit schedule back then when they were making title runs. Let them into an NC game. If they win, everyone can stfu just like FSU did over again. If they don't then fine, banish them from the NC until they join a BCS conference.
Hello if Boise goes undefeated Im willing to sacrifice the 2011 Championship and give the other team the title. Boise State would probably get their asses handed to them by Bama, Ohio State, Miami, and even Texas and Florida in an off year.
So lets let Boise St play this year, get their asses kicked, and never take them serious again.
Right, but they were supposed to get their asses handed to them by Oregon (x2), Oklahoma and VT. They were a great team last year, and practically everybody is back for this year. Why is it so hard to admit that they might actually be a good team?
Yes, they are a good team. And yes they did beat some good teams. But they have never played against a National Championship caliber team. I would hardly say beating Virginia Tech is an indicator of how they would perform against the best team in college football.
Exactly. They're no different than BYU in their powerhouse years in the mid 80's, really.
I'm convinced that 90% of BSU hate comes down to people being put off by Boise State specifically and not the idea of a BCS buster in general. I'm secure enough in my opinion to admit that I hate the idea of a team that plays on a blue effing field being an elite team... it's like the Montgomery Biscuits winning the World Series or something. I wish most other fans would dispense with the excuses, just admit that they don't like Boise State and then acknowledge that BSU is awesome and there's nothing anyone can do about it.
I dont even care about the blue field, I care about the quality of opponents. So if the BCS lets Boise play this year and they get their asses handed to them then what? I'm sure the Boise supporters will have their excuses.
I'm not against giving Boise a chance to play for the BCS, however I dont think theyre that good and Im against people thinking theyre a top 5 team.
I watched the game. What else was there to do on a holiday Monday evening? How about this?
"... if you’re looking for the best team of the last 10 years, you won’t find it in Austin or Tuscaloosa. In fact, it doesn’t even hail from the all-powerful conferences of the SEC and Big 12.
The greatest college football program of the last 10 years hails from Boise, Idaho; where they play their games on a little blue field.
Coming off just the second 14-0 college football season in history and their second undefeated season in the last four years, the Boise State Broncos can safely call themselves college football’s best of the 2000s.
The Broncos have posted a 112-16 record since 2000, good for a winning percentage just shy of 87 percent and better than traditional college football powerhouses such as Texas, Oklahoma, Southern California and Ohio State."
Of course this is from a "hick" college newspaper; "The News Record", The Independent Student Newspaper at the University of Cincinnati. Oh shit, quoting facts, but what the heck do they know?
On one hand, BSU has no choice but to play the crappy teams on their schedule. They usually try to schedule a few BCS teams and are lucky to get more than one to agree to play them. So they can't play 5-6 quality teams each year to "prove" they belong in the discussion.
However, it is fair to at least ask the question, "Would BSU go undefeated if they had to play 5-6 decent/good BCS level opponents each season?" Until they get admitted to a BCS conference, we will never really know. They tried to move to a better conference (The MWC), but with the departures of Utah for the Pac-10 and BYU as an independent the MWC basically just dropped down to the level of the WAC+ TCU as the bottom half of the MWC is nothing to write home about.
Week 3, Oregon State. They will not be in the discussion after that.
lost to TCU. They are now ranked about #25 while BSU is still #3. Like it or not, the blue turf toed media darlings are a pretty good team, probably better than TCU. My money is still on Boise at least until they lose.Let me just add this note: The only team I give a hoot about is Michigan.
I mean, yeah they lost to TCU but it wasn't a route or something. They were prettily evenly matched. I imagine OSU (NTOSU)-Boise will be a pretty good game.
To play one decent team all year and be considered a front runner for the NC is ridiculous. I can only hope, as I suspect VA Tech will plummet in the rankings towards the end of the year and we will have a clear picture of who BSU barely beat. In a game where style points mattered Boise State earned NONE.
And yes full disclosure I am a hater, I am not jealous or arrogant, I just hate a team that would spawn Byron Hoyt. What a punk that guy is and in my mind represents everything about Boise State, you barely win a game against the one good opponent you play and you feel the need to taunt like you are some kind of world beater. Just like Hoyt I hope BSU gets knocked the heck out.