but yes, for once I'm actually bothered that M fans aren't belaboring an officiating failure.
landing spot. will be interesting to see how he does.
but yes, for once I'm actually bothered that M fans aren't belaboring an officiating failure.
I, too, can't muster much emotion over it. I guess I've reached the acceptance stage for this season.
The fact we aren't whining about officiating is a testament to how dire our situation is. For once, we as a blog and as fanbase, can't find it in ourselves to push off even the tiniest bit of blame on any one or thing other than our team's own crushingly apparent internal issues. That's how you know shit ain't good right now on the corner of Stadium and Main.
I knew we had really reached rock bottom when none of my sparty friends even tried to gloat. Instead they all, very genuinely, felt sorry for Michigan and especially Devin. I never in my life could even imagine State beating us and my State friends just feeling sorry for Michigan...
I seem to remember watching the game clock in the stadium and he got it off with a second remaining.
before the snap. Illegal procedure, not delay-of-game.
It was a false start penalty, not delay of game.
When you have to resort to finding single blown calls to rationalize losses you have bigger problems. A "maybe" false start on 4th didn't stop the D. The 8 yard cushion on the WR gave them the big play.
That was not a maybe false start. That was an easy call. 4th and 2 is alot easier than 4th and 7.
it wasn't even an aesthetically pleasing play it was so obvious. . . Maybe that was what screwed up our defense, they were expecting a whistle and didn't get it. . . oh well.
It was pretty obvious. I don't understand how the officials missed it. It's not a judgment call like pass interference. It doesn't make up for the big systemic problems we have, but it was pretty irritating.
As for the silence, I think it has a lot to do with that it came after that horrible playcalling sequence following the muffed punt. That was brutal. I think a lot of people had the thought, "We played for a FG, and it's going to cost us the game."
I watched the game last night on my btn2go app. Serious question on the muffed punt why we're we not given a touchdown.
you cannot advance a fumbled punt. Just the rule.
Muffed punt. You cannot advance a muff ever. A fumble you can advance. A fumbled punt? Absolutely. A muff? Cannot advance.
At least that's how I interpret it.
That's the rule
You're not allowed to advance a muffed punt. Dumb rule, but it's the rule nonetheless.
You can advance a fumble, but not a muff.
The rulebook basically says that the only way that the punt could be advanced is if it never crossed the neutral zone. Interestingly, it allows for the possibility of a punt or kick being advanced if it crosses the neutral zone in the air and is somehow blown back behind it before it touches the ground. There is a very explicit ruling on this scenario, strangely enough.
There was an illegal block in the back that was missed on the kickoff return after the last field goal we kicked. The officials were awful.
I remember saying the same thing. I knew it was a block in the back when I saw it live. The replay confirmed. I also thought the officials missed a ton of holds, especially on the options. Oh well I guess. Sour grapes for me.
They also got away with a block in the back (on Jake Ryan) on one of their longest runs of the day, which set up their first TD. That's irritating. Holding, OK, they miss it sometimes, but this one was pretty obvious.
Are u serious?? Not only do we have to rely on a penalty to save our ass but a penalty against us?? Really shows how far Michigan has fallin. I don't care bout the outcome of the game even if we had won I'd still b just as pissed
So you are saying that you would not want to have won that game based on a penalty having been called against the opponent?
Can you think of any games that we have won in the past that we would have not won had certain penalties not been called, or that we may not have won?
This was a close game and infractions and ensuing penalties were a part of it. Non-calls may have tipped the scales against us.
believe it or not, it's possible to be pissed about the effort / coaching / whatever else you want to throw in there and still comment on the officiating.
i can make a list of a dozen games that we lost where officiating made a difference, starting with 'clockgate.' i guess we shouldn't have been in that position, so we're not entitle to bitch or even make an observation. whatever.
It's one thing to get outdone by a blown call when the team is firing on all cylinders, it's quite another when the officials blow a call when the team is playing like crap and you probably don't have any business winning the game anyway.
Uhhh, ok. Pulling out my cat 'o nine tails right now to flail away at myself.
Your comment borders on the surreal.
for your rational/logical comments....
I'm sure Michigan has gotten some breaks over the past 9 games. It was 4th and 2, the defense should have stopped them. Just like our 4th and 6 when Dileo should have caught the pass!
NE not a good team but our team is even worse! If we lose the next two road games and get blown out by OSU it will really put Hoke on the hot seat next season. I can't believe that Michigan is doing so poorly running the football. Never seen anything like this before. Even RR could run the ball better!
Should be on hot seat THIS season. That's how it works everywhere but here. #notgoingtowork
Please... Don't even start with the refs. They didn't have negative rushing yards against a terrible defense.
The refs missed calls both ways.
I had reached the "I dont give a fuck anymore" stage by then. That's why I didnt get too worked up over the call then and certainly not now. Al Borges and his absolute incompetence in play calling has renedered me numb. It's like he and I are watching two completely different games with two completely different sets of players playing.
that drive should have been a TD tying drive instead of a winning drive by Nebraska.
With our without the call, this team still has a malfunctioning offense keeping us a step or two behind the top programs in the conference. Getting that call correct doesn't change that. Assuming we stop them on 4th and 7, which isn't a given, the only difference is which mediocre to bad bowl game we go to.
Also the pitch (for the TD) was legally a forward pass (announcers even said it)
However, lineman were down field (penalty) and WR was blocking (also a penalty) so there should have been a couple flags though.
However there weren't and refs aren't perfect. Michigan shouldn't have needed a goal line save to win and shot themselves in the foot.
I'd have to watch it again, but I believe Abdullah was still behind the line of scrimmage. That essentially makes it like a screen pass, meaning linemen CAN be downfield and wide receivers CAN be blocking. If Abdullah was past the LOS, then those other things can't happen.
I do not think that was a blown call. The touchdown was legitimate.
Everyone looking for a blown call on the winning TD...this guy is right. Carry on.
Actually wide reciver was not only engaged but holding. Turrible, turrible no call.
After the two burned downs on 1st and 2nd down after getting the muffed punt at the N26, I don't remember what else happened. I was too apoplectic in the direction of Borges by then. And Hoke... who should have put on a headset and told his OC "Al, we've together a long time and I love you, but if you burn two downs with no-chance running plays, you clear out your office by morning."
were too similar to the plays after the interception vs PSU. I knew we were doomed even then.....
It was an egregious miss...the announcers caught it right away, before the play had even been completed. Usually announcers don't comment on officiating unless it's obvious. And teh fact that they not only pointed it out, but pointed it out while it was happening speaks volumes. IT was awful.
But I will say this...even if Nebraska gets flagged, then misses the 4th and 7 attempt...we still will not be very happy today about the offense. Maybe folks wouldn't be freaking out as much and saying "FIRE HOKE!"...but I do think that there would be quite a bit of grumbling today still.
Even if Nebraska had not got the huge gain after converting 4th and 2, or if Armstrong got swarmed and tackled on 4rd and goal, still see a tie game going into OT. Their running game would have eventually scored a TD and we had no prayer other than baned-off-the-uprights FGs in OT. Would have been PSU part 2.
that didnt appear as obvious to me as the 2-3 nebraska OL running more than 5-10 yards down the field on the game winning "option" touchdown. its either a run or a pass. if its a forward pass, which they obviously called it as, then those OL cannot be releasing and engaging defenders in the end zone. but does it really matter? maybe if they continue to lose these close, ugly games, rather than barely eke out wins, hoke and staff will see the light. disregard the sacks and accompanying negative yardage - its at least the third game this year when UM has averaged less than 1 yard per rush - and if you toss in the sack yardage, its 2 straight with negative rushing yards. consider last night when lsu and bama both play a majority of starters on all their special teams units....and if theyre not starters , theyre backups or talented freshmen. and then you look at UM yesterday....for some reason Hoke continued to not only play jeremy jackson on special teams but he trotted out numbers 37 and 41 on kick teams....theyre both local walk-ons, neither have any talent and neither tops 220 nor especially fleet of foot. this is not a charity....a division home game you desparately need to win is not the time to reward guys for "working hard and competing during the week" by letting walk-ons play special teams in front of their parents.....its beautiful and touching but not the cutthroat culture required to win big. those guys on special teams did not decide the game and overall had little impact yesterday but i think its just a great indicator of this guys mentality, and by extension the current teams culture. preaching toughness and work ethic and competition and rotations are great and rah rah but to win big games against the better teams in college football, you not only need to outcoach the other guys, you also need to consistently play your best 11 at ALL times....just as you cannot throw away scholarships on good kids or legacies since ALL 85 matter, especially when you miss more than you hit as of late, but you gotta trot out the most talented 11 every single play (if theyre gassed or injured or equally talented guys exist, by all means rotate) ....the coaches need a serious reality check and i really hope they self eval in offseason better than theyve scouted opposition this year
You are ignoring the rules around a forward pass behind the line of scrimmage.
...not one, that didn't use some walkons and backups on special teams. ever.
there are lots and lots of reasons to be frustrated with this coaching staff. playing non-starters on the kick team isn't one of them.
What about Nebraska's muffed punt that Norfleet returned, why wasn't that a touchdown?
Can't advance a muffed punt
Thanks for the clarification, I didn't know that and I think that rule is stupid.
I knew that was a rule, but don't understand the logic behind it. Can anyone explain that to me?
It's the same thing as an onside kick.
I don't know what the reasoning is, but I assume it's to encourage punt returns. If defenders could turn muffed punts into touchdowns, then I think more punt returners would avoid catching the ball. Because basically, if a guy muffs a punt, there's a very good chance that it will be picked up and run into the endzone since the returner is the only guy deep and everyone else is blocking.
Written by a 13 year-old.
but the flags (and more frustrating to me) the other non-calls went both ways. We had bigger issues, unfortunately.
Let's not pretend the refs lost that game for us. Plus, Nebraska didn't get the play off in time when that wide receiver fumbled and we recovered it. Had the refs made the right call there, we would've had one less possession. With our offense, it's arguable whether that's actually a good thing but Jesus Christ people, we lost that game because we have a terrible coaching staff and a young team. Let's put the blame where it belongs.
So a delay-of-game penalty would have moved Nebraska back to their 17.
As it turned out, Nebraska got the ball at their 35 after
|Michigan at 0:42||NEB||MICH|
|1st and 10 at NEB 33||Devin Gardner pass incomplete to Jeremy Gallon.||10||10|
|2nd and 10 at NEB 33||Devin Gardner rush for a loss of 2 yards to the Neb 35.|
|End of 3rd Quarter|
|Michigan at 15:00||NEB||MICH|
|3rd and 12 at NEB 35||Devin Gardner pass incomplete to Jeremy Gallon.||10||10|
|4th and 12 at NEB 35||Matt Wile 52 yard field goal MISSED.|
|DRIVE TOTALS: MICHIGAN drive: 3 plays -2 yards, 00:56 MICHIGAN FGA|
I think the fumble was intentional on Nebraska's part, knowing they would net 13 yards on it.
Complaining about the refs is distasteful when we have a LEGITIMATE team, let alone this hot mess.
It'd be like complaining about Fukushima's lacklustre cafeteria.
a terrible missed penalty, but not even close to as terrible as the play calling by our own offensive coordinator.
Was at the game and like every other college game there was missed/questionable calls going both ways. The refs were as good as you would come to expect in college football and in spite of any errors called a fair game................and if they didn't.........never put your self in a postion where the refs can have that much of an impact. We Bad.....no....I mean we are bad as in not good!!!
I was more focused on the crown of the field which was obviously raised between the last home game and this, causing UM to lose.
But what about the muffed punt? Why wasn't that a TD?
Because you cannot advance a muffed punt (nor muffed kickoff btw).