BlogPoll Week 3: Michigan and... Arizona?

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Michigan (BlogPoll Week 2: #19) beats Air Force (unranked, 0 votes), 31-25.

Arizona (unranked, 0 votes) beats Oklahoma St. (BlogPoll #15), 59-38.

So where do you, BlogPoll voter, place Michigan (1-1) and Arizona (2-0)?

 

graybeaver

September 9th, 2012 at 11:18 AM ^

I haven't watched AZ yet. I've watched M twice and they haven't looked like top twenty team to me. ASU is kicking butt too with their version of the spread.

graybeaver

September 9th, 2012 at 12:46 PM ^

Alabama, LSU, Georgia, South Caralina, Clemson, Virginia Tech, FSU, Florida, Michigan State, Ohio State, Notre Dame, West Virginia, Oklahoma, Texas, Oregon, USC, UCLA, Kansas State, Tennessee, and TCU. No particular order.

kscurrie2

September 9th, 2012 at 12:41 PM ^

Neither do we..Did you happen to watch the last 2 games?  How about the bowl game and the Ohio State Game?  Correct me if i'm wrong, but didnt they all drop over 30 pts on us?  If you are going to make a comment like that over 2 games, then you should make a fair assessment.  So should I call him Bray Hoke.. that is soo funny

 

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jsquigg

September 9th, 2012 at 11:25 AM ^

Fans are ridiculous.  Anything Rich Rod does in Arizona that is more successful than what happened at Michigan should not lead to us losing our shit.  Whether he admits it or not, Rodriguez had a whole year to review his mistakes and think about them.  He now has a proven DC and is in a place with very low football expectations.  Anything he accomplishes at Arizona is just gravy to a lot of their fans.  At Michigan the expectation was to win from the get go and there was little support and there was no patience to let him continue the program once the defense turned out to be an incompetent injury riddled dumpster fire and the field goal team made the defense look average.  I don't know what would have happened if Rod had gotten a fourth year and I don't give a shit anymore because Brady freakin Hoke is the coach at Michigan.  The whole Big 10 is down and is there for the taking.  We have a ton of young talent that will improve as the season goes on.  Our defense will improve against teams that aren't from the NFL or tricky military option midgets.   Let's let the season unfold and please let's pay attention to Rodriguez in our own private time and not on the mgoboard. K Thanx

ole luther

September 9th, 2012 at 12:34 PM ^

We could very well face Arizona.  If not this year then maybe next. Why shouldn't we pay attention to them. What? We're not supposed to pay attention to anyone else out there because you say so? AND, we're not supposed to discuss it here because you say so?

Some of us still believe in the "fiasco screw job" that was the "Rich Rod Years"...I offer my complete support of this team and this coaching staff but have been watching these teams and these coaching staffs for over 30 years and am not going to tolerate someone attempting to harbour free speech.

Purkinje

September 9th, 2012 at 11:31 AM ^

God damn it, Section 1. We all know that you're not a Michigan fan anymore, that Rich Rodriguez is where your undying allegiances draw you. None of us understand how the hell this happened, but you might as well pack your bags and move to Arizona immediately, 'cause it's not getting any better.

BIGBLUEWORLD

September 9th, 2012 at 12:05 PM ^

Richar Roriguez is an interesting guy. I hope he does well. But since he destroyed our football team's D, I have officially removed that letter from his name. Thus it is written. Thus it shall be.

CompleteLunacy

September 9th, 2012 at 12:19 PM ^

I'm not going to compare Michigan's success to Arizona's success, because you can't do it in any way. And what's the point of doing it anyway? RR is a good coach, he proved it once at West Virginia. He was a bad fit here from day 1, and blame can be spread around in many ways (some of it, yes, to RR of course). We moved on, tried to start over with Hoke et al, who need more of a transition period too to get their systems in place with their own recruits. Oh, and he still went 11-2 last year. WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT?!?

Should Arizona be ranked? Yes, absolutely. OSU is a good team that they beat, though they had lost their star QB and WR so a dropoff was to be expected (and their defense was bad anyway). But above Michigan? There's certainly an argument to be made, but we're only two freaking games into the season. Rankings don't matter, because we have two data points. So, again, what's the point, exactly?

If Arizona plays Alabama in week 1, they get cushed, I am fairly certain. If they play Air Force, I guarantee you they would too have a dogfight as we did. Because lots of good teams struggle with Air Force. But they didn't play either of those teams. 

the Glove

September 9th, 2012 at 12:15 PM ^

This is the first time I've posted something about Rich Rod since the parting. Do you think he learned his lesson from the Michigan experience to keep his hands off of the D?

Marshmallow

September 9th, 2012 at 12:32 PM ^

It's obvious most of you didn't watch the game.  Oklahoma State isn't a middling team, and Arizona won the game with its defense.  OSU lost some great talent from a team that was just outside the MNC game last year.  Zona was a disaster last year.  Anyone who doesn't want to give Rodriguez props for a victory that was more impressive than anything we did last year is not thinking clearly.

RedGreene

September 9th, 2012 at 12:53 PM ^

The better question is where will Arizona finish in the top 25?  Michigan, under RR, would start strong, make a showing in the top 25 and then get crushed by every team on the schedule that matters.  

MosherJordan

September 9th, 2012 at 2:45 PM ^

So RichRod struggles against MAC teams, and has an offense that looks dangerous in September against teams with no run D. Hmmmm..... Where have I heard this before.

coastal blue

September 9th, 2012 at 7:49 PM ^

Out of curiousity, I looked at some of the numbers

Against Okie State, Arizona stopped OSU on 62.5% of their drives. 10/16

In 2011, Michigan stopped their opponents on 71.5% of their drives (I didn't count end of half drives as drives or reasonable missed field goals as stops). 103/144.

In 2010, Michigan stopped their opponents on 52.3(!)% of their drives. 79/151. 

So if you consider 2011 to be a good defensive team, Arizona's performance was about halfway between Very Good and Terrible. Considering they were were playing a team known for high-powered offenses, it wasn't a bad performance overall.

For what its worth, in Michigan's second game under Mattison, they stopped Notre Dame on 61.5% of their drives. 

Edit: Also went back and looked at the 2008 Michigan defense. They had a 71.3% success rate. 97/136

BoFan

September 9th, 2012 at 5:31 PM ^

I've finally realized Section One isn't a person...it's many people in the section of the insanity ward for Obsessive Delusional Heterodoxy Disorder (ODHD)

Durham Blue

September 9th, 2012 at 8:17 PM ^

last night was a lot of fun to watch.  Sure, the Okie St. D may not be all that great but their offense sure looks good.  And Arizona outscored them big time.  Kudos to Rich Rod.  I hope he tears up the Pac-12 this year.

BoFan

September 9th, 2012 at 10:15 PM ^

no one has mentioned the 167 (record) penalty yards against Okie St that after they were up 14 -0, 3 sudden personal fouls stopped the momentum for OK St.

chitownblue2

September 10th, 2012 at 8:03 AM ^

Matt Scott is certainly something he never had here. I find it interesting how pass-heavy the offense is compared to what he did here, when we saw Threet and Tate get 12 carries a game. I have a feeling this is a 7-5ish team, which would be a good start for them.

Eye of the Tiger

September 10th, 2012 at 8:36 AM ^

Arizona beat an overrated and middling Oklahoma State team. It's still a good win--we could have used another one of these in 2008. But I wouldn't read too much into it either. This isn't a great team. 

That said, their schedule is favorable. Almost certain losses to Oregon and USC, but the rest are all winnable, given that the Pac-10 is essentially the Big 10 but with more cream at the top but with a thinner consistency in the middle. Stanford, UCLA, Washington and Oregon State will all be tough games, but none is off the table. Arizona could be as good as 10-2 or as bad as 6-6 depending on whether his team stays consistent, or sputters in conference play like our 2009 and 2010 teams did. I figure 8-4 or 7-5.

Section 1

September 10th, 2012 at 7:08 PM ^

Because it's his Blog and he gets the last word:

http://mgoblog.com/content/blogpoll-ballot-week-2-goodbye-big-ten 

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  • #23   Arizona Wildcats 
  • #24  Michigan Wolverines
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*Brian calls it Week 2 but in fact I think Blog Poll officially calls this the Week 3 poll since "Week 1" was preseason.  In any event, since Brian largely invented Blog Poll, he can call it whatever he wants.

Section 1

September 11th, 2012 at 10:48 AM ^

I certainly have nothing against Brady Hoke and the team.  So like each of the last m-a-n-y years, as a third-generation Michigan grad, a Victors Club member, a season ticket holder, I will of course be rooting for Michigan's success.  As always.  As, even in 2008, 2009 and 2010, I was always rooting for Michigan's success.

It doesn't detract from that support for Michigan, for me to root for Coach Rodriguez's success.  Unlike the butt-hurt Walverines who want Rodriguez to fail because they think it will prove he was a flawed coach and it will confirm the Michigan decision to fire him.

The hard part would be if there had to be a choice, between Michigan success and Arizona success; as if it were a zero-sum game.  That would happen, if and only if the two teams faced each other with something on the line.

In that instance, my position would at first glance appear to be more complicated, but even then, I have resigned myself to rooting for Michigan.  You see, if a big Arizona upset of Michigan in a bowl game by, say, a score of 68-65, would result in Drew Sharp's head exploding, Mark Snyder's transferring to the Home & Garden section of the newspaper, Michael Rosenberg's submitting his e-resignation to SI.com, and the immediate bankruptcy liquidation of the Detroit Free Press, then yeah.  Go 'Cats.  Beat Michigan.

But none of those things will happen, because none of those guys bear any real, tangible responsibility for what they did/do.  Unfortunately, seeing a Rodriguez team beat Michigan in football won't cause the Detroit sportswriters to hurl their lifeless bodies off the top of the press box.  I wish I could see that; but it ain't happening.  So I won't root for Arizona over Michigan.  At least not too much.

I was never in love with Coach Rodriguez; I knew very little about him before he came to Ann Arbor.  What I knew about West Virginia football was "Don Nehlen."  I was very interested in the spread, and in fast-motion offenses, because I thought that what Appalachian State and Oregon did in demolishing Lloyd Carr's final season was football of the future.  But I'm no scheme expert; I just watch college football for the fun of it.

It all changed, with the Freep's jihad against Rodriguez.  And I got 99 other reasons to hate the Detroit Free Press.  But what they did to our football program was inexcusable.  I'll never forget it, or forgive it.  And never, not once, have I been given any reason to suspect that my criticism of the Free Press was mistaken or too over the top.  We critics (you are including Brian Cook, right?) were right, all along, in suspecting that what Rosenberg and Snyder did was wrong, and that it seriously hurt the program under Rodriguez.  How any Michigan fan could think that any of what was done to Rodriguez was okay, is beyond me.