Michigan (BlogPoll Week 2: #19) beats Air Force (unranked, 0 votes), 31-25.
Arizona (unranked, 0 votes) beats Oklahoma St. (BlogPoll #15), 59-38.
So where do you, BlogPoll voter, place Michigan (1-1) and Arizona (2-0)?
Wow, I didn't realize they won last night till I seen this and looked at the box score.
You seen this?
Saw has too many letters. I think seen is the hip, twitteresque abbreviation for saw.
I was half asleep when I typed that :). Give me a break :)
wow impressive win for RR and company. I think everyone was expecting them to get smashed
I am really interested in how rr does in arizona
1/2 the problem wasnt the lack of support... 1/2 the problem was that he couldnt figure it out on defense...
My disappointment is with the OP and with out of touch fans like yourself... Why stir up muddy waters? You say RR didnt have any supporters, but your going to pick apart one of the best defensive minds with petty arguments and by using CAPS to highlight your frustration?!
WHO CARES!?!? What's done is done!
Uh oh - double post :(
Michigan probably moves up a few spots while Arizona breaks into the top 25. I'll say Michigan #17, Arizona #21
Wow. This thread will be entertaining to say the least.
Section 1, you should be a politician. I love how you drive home a point without explicitly mentioning it. Those are some skills.
I liked RR too, he didn't get a fair shake from the administration. He did get a fair shake from the fans though No matter the crappy behind the scenes circumstances, you must produce wins. I'm glad he's gone, hope he does good in Arizona.
Now that the gorilla is out in the open...
If what RR got from the neanderthal segment of the Michigan fanbase was anything remotely resembling a "fair shake," you had better hope Brady Hoke never has a bad season.
What if Michigan loses four this year? Are those same people going to second-guess Hoke and Borges? When a professional who is getting paid to analyze the game does it, it's one thing. But when fans start complaining, it's another issue altogether.
Michigan beat a clever and semi-talented Air Force team yesterday, but I don't get the idea that anyone is happy about it. As Arkansas and Oklahoma State learned yesterday, games like yesterday's can turn out a lot worse for the favored team than getting a hard-fought victory like Michigan did.
Better question, should Toledo be ranked ahead of Michigan too? They took that Arizona juggernaut to overtime -- on the road! -- just one week ago!
It's called perspective.
I'm not sure that anyone would call Arizona a juggernaut, and Toledo lost to them. Why would Toledo be ranked ahead of Michigan, even sarcastically?
Sarcasm meter broken?
So you understand he was being facetious, yet you question the post? You're thinking a little too hard about this...
Thank you Callahan!
Where was the RR post after week 1? The mods should seriously delete anything Section1 post related to RR
Impressive win for sure, and I'm a believer that until you lose you get the benefit of the doubt. Michigan #19, Arizona #18.
RR certainly had Arizona's offense humming.
I think it is very likely that we will fall, even with the Nebraska and Wisco losses.
Uh, four teams in front of us lost to bad teams. The only team that could possibly jump us is #22 KSU who demolished Miami. We won our game. We will be either #15 or #16.
Btw, what's the over/under for how many posts it takes before we get to dead horse beating?
Well, Ok State wasn't exactly a powerhouse this year and nobody really thought they would be as the season went on. Arizona beat them in a good way, but they still have one solid win and like I said, this isn't the OSU (ok state) of last year. For now, I would put Michigan up a spot or 2 on Arizona, but early season rankings in general are just horrible. In my opinion, there should be no official rankings until week 5. Most of them are so massively flawed that there's almost no point in ranking them
Couldn't agree more. We shouldn't even be ranked, much less have started the season #8.
I would think you have to move Arizona into the 20-18 range.
Michigan is a bit harder as I subscribe to the theory that we don't know much about this team yet. Bama was vastly superior, and everything about AF falls into a category of anamoly. Maybe 22ish?
It's looking like it will be a rough year in the Big 10.
Michigan will move up to 15 or so, Arizona will crack the top 25.
If we were going just on merit based on results thus far, I'd put Arizona in the top 10, with full expectations they would drop within the next two weeks.
They beat a questionably good OK State that lost a lot of talent from last years team and won in OT over Toledo - how does this merit top 10?
I said based on current results.
Whose got a better win than undefeated Arizona right now?
I'd put UCLA up there as well.
Alabama? LSU last night against Washington? Clemson? Georgia?
Teams that will be in the top 10 like USC, MSU, WVU, South Carolina, FSU, etc. haven't really done anything of note yet.
But by the end, they'll probably all be ranked ahead of Arizona.
Where would you put undefeated Oregon State?
Or what about undefeated UCLA? Or Louisiana-Monroe? After all, they both beat teams ranked better than Okie State, why aren't they in talks for being ranked? Why is it Arizona and RR?
Oh right, because it's a Section 1 post....
Well, Arizona has ties to Michigan now for obvious reasons. Anyone who cant see this is being unreasonable. There's going to be an interest into how Arizona does, so I'd get used to it.
Some people will be genuinely happy for RR after the hell he went through here if they succeed. Others, due to wanting so badly to be right about him being the worst thing that ever happened to Michigan football - saw it a bit last night in the open thread - will revel in any failure and hope he bombs out so that they don't have to deal with the consequences of realizing that maybe, just maybe, they were a bit hasty in forming their lynch mob.
I'd rank OSU over Arizona and UCLA just behind. UL-Monroe would jump into the top 15, but no higher due to the fact that they are 1-0, it was an OT win and Arkansas lost Wilson.
I'd bump them up to the NFL.
Ok St is RR's new Notre Dame.
Yeah, it's a tad early to make that statement. If he goes 5-0 and misses a bowl game, then maybe you can throw that around.
It is so clear, Arizona should be #1. Are you happy now section1
... Arizona SOMEHOW wins the PAC and Michigan wins the B1G???
There would be a very entertaining couple weeks on the boards in a train wreck kind of way. And I would lay money on section1 being pushed to the brink of one of the greatest meltdowns this board has ever seen.
I think that the arizona win speaks more to the weaknesses of ok state more than the strengths of Arizona. Preseason rankings are a joke. There should be a rule that no team coached by John L Smith is ever ranked in the top 25.
You are referencing two teams right? Because John L coaches Arkansas and not okie state.
He coaches Arkansas? You mean the Arkansas that was ranked #8 and lost to Louisiana-Monroe?
Arizona went 4-8 last year, had one of the very worst defenses in the country, and at one point last season were riding a streak of 10 straight losses to FBS competition.
Ok State is at worst a middle of the pack team in a BCS conference. Beating them by 3 TDs is pretty impressive under the circumstances.
I agree to a point, but I'm not sure OSU is up to middling BCS rating yet this season. OSU had a weak defense last year (ranked 107 in total defense, 61 in scoring defense). They won by scoring bunches of points. But with their QB and top WR now playing in the NFL, there is a steep dropoff in talent and experience. They now start a true Fr at QB and have no go-to receiver. They still managed to put up over 600 yards of offense but also set a school record for penalty yards.
Look at it like this: Arizona stopped OSU on 10 out of 16 drives, for a 62.5% success rate.
in the polls to #21 or #22. Arizona moves into Top 25 at #23. Just my speculation.
I will eat my computer screen if we are ranked at 21 or below.
I haven't watched AZ yet. I've watched M twice and they haven't looked like top twenty team to me. ASU is kicking butt too with their version of the spread.
What 20 teams do you rank above M? Only teams in (extended) B1G are ND, MSU, and OSU. Of course every SEC team should be above us (boom ESPN-ed)
Alabama, LSU, Georgia, South Caralina, Clemson, Virginia Tech, FSU, Florida, Michigan State, Ohio State, Notre Dame, West Virginia, Oklahoma, Texas, Oregon, USC, UCLA, Kansas State, Tennessee, and TCU.
No particular order.
Richar Roriguez has no D.
Neither do we..Did you happen to watch the last 2 games? How about the bowl game and the Ohio State Game? Correct me if i'm wrong, but didnt they all drop over 30 pts on us? If you are going to make a comment like that over 2 games, then you should make a fair assessment. So should I call him Bray Hoke.. that is soo funny
Fans are ridiculous. Anything Rich Rod does in Arizona that is more successful than what happened at Michigan should not lead to us losing our shit. Whether he admits it or not, Rodriguez had a whole year to review his mistakes and think about them. He now has a proven DC and is in a place with very low football expectations. Anything he accomplishes at Arizona is just gravy to a lot of their fans. At Michigan the expectation was to win from the get go and there was little support and there was no patience to let him continue the program once the defense turned out to be an incompetent injury riddled dumpster fire and the field goal team made the defense look average. I don't know what would have happened if Rod had gotten a fourth year and I don't give a shit anymore because Brady freakin Hoke is the coach at Michigan. The whole Big 10 is down and is there for the taking. We have a ton of young talent that will improve as the season goes on. Our defense will improve against teams that aren't from the NFL or tricky military option midgets. Let's let the season unfold and please let's pay attention to Rodriguez in our own private time and not on the mgoboard. K Thanx
Try reading "Three and Out" by John L Bacon before you try to discuss resources.
You treat Three And Out as your Bible as opposed to an attempt to sell books.
Your right... He had a great starting quarterback and the support of the athletic department and this insane fan base.
wasn't allowed to bring his defensive staff with him. Wouldn't pay a few thousand for the staff that was very successful at WV but will sell out many fans for millions to cop out in Dallas. Get all ur facts, please.
The problem is that I don't see that young talent, playing on the offensive line. If that doesn't improve... then the B1G will not be "taken", down or not. Also, those Air Force players deserve better than being called, midgets. K Thanx.
We could very well face Arizona. If not this year then maybe next. Why shouldn't we pay attention to them. What? We're not supposed to pay attention to anyone else out there because you say so? AND, we're not supposed to discuss it here because you say so?
Some of us still believe in the "fiasco screw job" that was the "Rich Rod Years"...I offer my complete support of this team and this coaching staff but have been watching these teams and these coaching staffs for over 30 years and am not going to tolerate someone attempting to harbour free speech.
There's got to be an Arizona blog out there somewhere we can trade Section 1 to...
Exactly. What's up with a BS thread like this, trying to dredge up the past and cause trouble?
Yea, and in exchange, we get cheer leaders for MGoBlog.
Richar Roriguez is an interesting guy. I hope he does well. But since he destroyed our football team's D, I have officially removed that letter from his name. Thus it is written. Thus it shall be.
I'm not going to compare Michigan's success to Arizona's success, because you can't do it in any way. And what's the point of doing it anyway? RR is a good coach, he proved it once at West Virginia. He was a bad fit here from day 1, and blame can be spread around in many ways (some of it, yes, to RR of course). We moved on, tried to start over with Hoke et al, who need more of a transition period too to get their systems in place with their own recruits. Oh, and he still went 11-2 last year. WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT?!?
Should Arizona be ranked? Yes, absolutely. OSU is a good team that they beat, though they had lost their star QB and WR so a dropoff was to be expected (and their defense was bad anyway). But above Michigan? There's certainly an argument to be made, but we're only two freaking games into the season. Rankings don't matter, because we have two data points. So, again, what's the point, exactly?
If Arizona plays Alabama in week 1, they get cushed, I am fairly certain. If they play Air Force, I guarantee you they would too have a dogfight as we did. Because lots of good teams struggle with Air Force. But they didn't play either of those teams.
This is the first time I've posted something about Rich Rod since the parting. Do you think he learned his lesson from the Michigan experience to keep his hands off of the D?
RR got his guy who runs the D the way he wants it run BTW do these polls really matter to anyone at this time of the season?
For what it is worth, the new AP poll - http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/ncaa/polls/ap/
Michigan is #17, and Arizona is #24. This was updated a few moments ago.
UPDATE: Michigan is #19, and Arizona remains unranked in the Coaches' Poll, but they received six votes.
Michigan is the only ranked team with a loss.
Arkansas takes the biggest drop since The Horror.
Wisconsin also takes a big fall from 13 to unranked. Nebraska also fell out and UCLA bounced in.
It's obvious most of you didn't watch the game. Oklahoma State isn't a middling team, and Arizona won the game with its defense. OSU lost some great talent from a team that was just outside the MNC game last year. Zona was a disaster last year. Anyone who doesn't want to give Rodriguez props for a victory that was more impressive than anything we did last year is not thinking clearly.
Oh, I'm sorry I didn't realize one victory is better than 11 victories and a Sugar Bowl win. My bad dude.
The better question is where will Arizona finish in the top 25? Michigan, under RR, would start strong, make a showing in the top 25 and then get crushed by every team on the schedule that matters.
will finish the season at top 25. The offense is still dynamite. Big 12 isn't real strong IMO that they can still win the Big 12 South.
The Big 12 did away with divisions last year because they only have 10 teams. Same thing this year.
Cool beans. I'm a fan of former Wolverines doing well.
Happy for RR....mostly so we don't have to hear him talk about baking the cake and not getting a chance to eat it.
So RichRod struggles against MAC teams, and has an offense that looks dangerous in September against teams with no run D. Hmmmm..... Where have I heard this before.
Out of curiousity, I looked at some of the numbers
Against Okie State, Arizona stopped OSU on 62.5% of their drives. 10/16
In 2011, Michigan stopped their opponents on 71.5% of their drives (I didn't count end of half drives as drives or reasonable missed field goals as stops). 103/144.
In 2010, Michigan stopped their opponents on 52.3(!)% of their drives. 79/151.
So if you consider 2011 to be a good defensive team, Arizona's performance was about halfway between Very Good and Terrible. Considering they were were playing a team known for high-powered offenses, it wasn't a bad performance overall.
For what its worth, in Michigan's second game under Mattison, they stopped Notre Dame on 61.5% of their drives.
Edit: Also went back and looked at the 2008 Michigan defense. They had a 71.3% success rate. 97/136
the comment threads are going to be awesomely epic.
I've finally realized Section One isn't a person...it's many people in the section of the insanity ward for Obsessive Delusional Heterodoxy Disorder (ODHD)
RichRod is still winning games in Ann Arbor
Just wait until Denard leaves !
last night was a lot of fun to watch. Sure, the Okie St. D may not be all that great but their offense sure looks good. And Arizona outscored them big time. Kudos to Rich Rod. I hope he tears up the Pac-12 this year.
no one has mentioned the 167 (record) penalty yards against Okie St that after they were up 14 -0, 3 sudden personal fouls stopped the momentum for OK St.
Matt Scott is certainly something he never had here. I find it interesting how pass-heavy the offense is compared to what he did here, when we saw Threet and Tate get 12 carries a game.
I have a feeling this is a 7-5ish team, which would be a good start for them.
Arizona beat an overrated and middling Oklahoma State team. It's still a good win--we could have used another one of these in 2008. But I wouldn't read too much into it either. This isn't a great team.
That said, their schedule is favorable. Almost certain losses to Oregon and USC, but the rest are all winnable, given that the Pac-10 is essentially the Big 10 but with more cream at the top but with a thinner consistency in the middle. Stanford, UCLA, Washington and Oregon State will all be tough games, but none is off the table. Arizona could be as good as 10-2 or as bad as 6-6 depending on whether his team stays consistent, or sputters in conference play like our 2009 and 2010 teams did. I figure 8-4 or 7-5.
Because it's his Blog and he gets the last word:
*Brian calls it Week 2 but in fact I think Blog Poll officially calls this the Week 3 poll since "Week 1" was preseason. In any event, since Brian largely invented Blog Poll, he can call it whatever he wants.
Who would you rather see succeed this year: Michigan or Arizona?
I certainly have nothing against Brady Hoke and the team. So like each of the last m-a-n-y years, as a third-generation Michigan grad, a Victors Club member, a season ticket holder, I will of course be rooting for Michigan's success. As always. As, even in 2008, 2009 and 2010, I was always rooting for Michigan's success.
It doesn't detract from that support for Michigan, for me to root for Coach Rodriguez's success. Unlike the butt-hurt Walverines who want Rodriguez to fail because they think it will prove he was a flawed coach and it will confirm the Michigan decision to fire him.
The hard part would be if there had to be a choice, between Michigan success and Arizona success; as if it were a zero-sum game. That would happen, if and only if the two teams faced each other with something on the line.
In that instance, my position would at first glance appear to be more complicated, but even then, I have resigned myself to rooting for Michigan. You see, if a big Arizona upset of Michigan in a bowl game by, say, a score of 68-65, would result in Drew Sharp's head exploding, Mark Snyder's transferring to the Home & Garden section of the newspaper, Michael Rosenberg's submitting his e-resignation to SI.com, and the immediate bankruptcy liquidation of the Detroit Free Press, then yeah. Go 'Cats. Beat Michigan.
But none of those things will happen, because none of those guys bear any real, tangible responsibility for what they did/do. Unfortunately, seeing a Rodriguez team beat Michigan in football won't cause the Detroit sportswriters to hurl their lifeless bodies off the top of the press box. I wish I could see that; but it ain't happening. So I won't root for Arizona over Michigan. At least not too much.
I was never in love with Coach Rodriguez; I knew very little about him before he came to Ann Arbor. What I knew about West Virginia football was "Don Nehlen." I was very interested in the spread, and in fast-motion offenses, because I thought that what Appalachian State and Oregon did in demolishing Lloyd Carr's final season was football of the future. But I'm no scheme expert; I just watch college football for the fun of it.
It all changed, with the Freep's jihad against Rodriguez. And I got 99 other reasons to hate the Detroit Free Press. But what they did to our football program was inexcusable. I'll never forget it, or forgive it. And never, not once, have I been given any reason to suspect that my criticism of the Free Press was mistaken or too over the top. We critics (you are including Brian Cook, right?) were right, all along, in suspecting that what Rosenberg and Snyder did was wrong, and that it seriously hurt the program under Rodriguez. How any Michigan fan could think that any of what was done to Rodriguez was okay, is beyond me.