Michigan (BlogPoll Week 2: #19) beats Air Force (unranked, 0 votes), 31-25.
Arizona (unranked, 0 votes) beats Oklahoma St. (BlogPoll #15), 59-38.
So where do you, BlogPoll voter, place Michigan (1-1) and Arizona (2-0)?
Wow, I didn't realize they won last night till I seen this and looked at the box score.
You seen this?
Saw has too many letters. I think seen is the hip, twitteresque abbreviation for saw.
I was half asleep when I typed that :). Give me a break :)
wow impressive win for RR and company. I think everyone was expecting them to get smashed
I am really interested in how rr does in arizona
1/2 the problem wasnt the lack of support... 1/2 the problem was that he couldnt figure it out on defense...
My disappointment is with the OP and with out of touch fans like yourself... Why stir up muddy waters? You say RR didnt have any supporters, but your going to pick apart one of the best defensive minds with petty arguments and by using CAPS to highlight your frustration?!
WHO CARES!?!? What's done is done!
Uh oh - double post :(
Michigan probably moves up a few spots while Arizona breaks into the top 25. I'll say Michigan #17, Arizona #21
Wow. This thread will be entertaining to say the least.
Section 1, you should be a politician. I love how you drive home a point without explicitly mentioning it. Those are some skills.
I liked RR too, he didn't get a fair shake from the administration. He did get a fair shake from the fans though No matter the crappy behind the scenes circumstances, you must produce wins. I'm glad he's gone, hope he does good in Arizona.
Now that the gorilla is out in the open...
If what RR got from the neanderthal segment of the Michigan fanbase was anything remotely resembling a "fair shake," you had better hope Brady Hoke never has a bad season.
What if Michigan loses four this year? Are those same people going to second-guess Hoke and Borges? When a professional who is getting paid to analyze the game does it, it's one thing. But when fans start complaining, it's another issue altogether.
Michigan beat a clever and semi-talented Air Force team yesterday, but I don't get the idea that anyone is happy about it. As Arkansas and Oklahoma State learned yesterday, games like yesterday's can turn out a lot worse for the favored team than getting a hard-fought victory like Michigan did.
Better question, should Toledo be ranked ahead of Michigan too? They took that Arizona juggernaut to overtime -- on the road! -- just one week ago!
It's called perspective.
I'm not sure that anyone would call Arizona a juggernaut, and Toledo lost to them. Why would Toledo be ranked ahead of Michigan, even sarcastically?
Sarcasm meter broken?
So you understand he was being facetious, yet you question the post? You're thinking a little too hard about this...
Thank you Callahan!
Where was the RR post after week 1? The mods should seriously delete anything Section1 post related to RR
Impressive win for sure, and I'm a believer that until you lose you get the benefit of the doubt. Michigan #19, Arizona #18.
RR certainly had Arizona's offense humming.
I think it is very likely that we will fall, even with the Nebraska and Wisco losses.
Uh, four teams in front of us lost to bad teams. The only team that could possibly jump us is #22 KSU who demolished Miami. We won our game. We will be either #15 or #16.
Btw, what's the over/under for how many posts it takes before we get to dead horse beating?
Well, Ok State wasn't exactly a powerhouse this year and nobody really thought they would be as the season went on. Arizona beat them in a good way, but they still have one solid win and like I said, this isn't the OSU (ok state) of last year. For now, I would put Michigan up a spot or 2 on Arizona, but early season rankings in general are just horrible. In my opinion, there should be no official rankings until week 5. Most of them are so massively flawed that there's almost no point in ranking them
Couldn't agree more. We shouldn't even be ranked, much less have started the season #8.
I would think you have to move Arizona into the 20-18 range.
Michigan is a bit harder as I subscribe to the theory that we don't know much about this team yet. Bama was vastly superior, and everything about AF falls into a category of anamoly. Maybe 22ish?
It's looking like it will be a rough year in the Big 10.
Michigan will move up to 15 or so, Arizona will crack the top 25.
If we were going just on merit based on results thus far, I'd put Arizona in the top 10, with full expectations they would drop within the next two weeks.
They beat a questionably good OK State that lost a lot of talent from last years team and won in OT over Toledo - how does this merit top 10?
I said based on current results.
Whose got a better win than undefeated Arizona right now?
I'd put UCLA up there as well.
Alabama? LSU last night against Washington? Clemson? Georgia?
Teams that will be in the top 10 like USC, MSU, WVU, South Carolina, FSU, etc. haven't really done anything of note yet.
But by the end, they'll probably all be ranked ahead of Arizona.
Where would you put undefeated Oregon State?
Or what about undefeated UCLA? Or Louisiana-Monroe? After all, they both beat teams ranked better than Okie State, why aren't they in talks for being ranked? Why is it Arizona and RR?
Oh right, because it's a Section 1 post....
Well, Arizona has ties to Michigan now for obvious reasons. Anyone who cant see this is being unreasonable. There's going to be an interest into how Arizona does, so I'd get used to it.
Some people will be genuinely happy for RR after the hell he went through here if they succeed. Others, due to wanting so badly to be right about him being the worst thing that ever happened to Michigan football - saw it a bit last night in the open thread - will revel in any failure and hope he bombs out so that they don't have to deal with the consequences of realizing that maybe, just maybe, they were a bit hasty in forming their lynch mob.
I'd rank OSU over Arizona and UCLA just behind. UL-Monroe would jump into the top 15, but no higher due to the fact that they are 1-0, it was an OT win and Arkansas lost Wilson.
I'd bump them up to the NFL.
Ok St is RR's new Notre Dame.
Yeah, it's a tad early to make that statement. If he goes 5-0 and misses a bowl game, then maybe you can throw that around.
It is so clear, Arizona should be #1. Are you happy now section1
... Arizona SOMEHOW wins the PAC and Michigan wins the B1G???
There would be a very entertaining couple weeks on the boards in a train wreck kind of way. And I would lay money on section1 being pushed to the brink of one of the greatest meltdowns this board has ever seen.
I think that the arizona win speaks more to the weaknesses of ok state more than the strengths of Arizona. Preseason rankings are a joke. There should be a rule that no team coached by John L Smith is ever ranked in the top 25.
You are referencing two teams right? Because John L coaches Arkansas and not okie state.
He coaches Arkansas? You mean the Arkansas that was ranked #8 and lost to Louisiana-Monroe?
Arizona went 4-8 last year, had one of the very worst defenses in the country, and at one point last season were riding a streak of 10 straight losses to FBS competition.
Ok State is at worst a middle of the pack team in a BCS conference. Beating them by 3 TDs is pretty impressive under the circumstances.
I agree to a point, but I'm not sure OSU is up to middling BCS rating yet this season. OSU had a weak defense last year (ranked 107 in total defense, 61 in scoring defense). They won by scoring bunches of points. But with their QB and top WR now playing in the NFL, there is a steep dropoff in talent and experience. They now start a true Fr at QB and have no go-to receiver. They still managed to put up over 600 yards of offense but also set a school record for penalty yards.
Look at it like this: Arizona stopped OSU on 10 out of 16 drives, for a 62.5% success rate.
in the polls to #21 or #22. Arizona moves into Top 25 at #23. Just my speculation.
I will eat my computer screen if we are ranked at 21 or below.
I haven't watched AZ yet. I've watched M twice and they haven't looked like top twenty team to me. ASU is kicking butt too with their version of the spread.