Blame Rodriguez for Special Team Play

Submitted by StephenRKass on

I am in the category of bloggers who give Rodriguez (and by extension, Greg Robinson) a pass for the play of the defense this year.

  • We lost Woolfolk and Jones and Van Slyke to injury, Warren to the draft, Cissoko to sad stupidity, Turner to laziness and a following transfer, and Demar Dorsey to the NCAA clearinghouse. Add these players, and the defense looks very different.
  • We went from the Carr regime to Scott Shafer to Greg Robinson as Defensive Coordinator in three consecutive years, a recipe for disaster.
  • We had a disaster with Hopson as position coach with the linebackers.
  • We have a lack of experience throughout the defense, witnessed by all the true freshmen getting playing time.
  • We have a lack of depth in much of the defense.

All these things should be better next year. The freshmen and sophomores being baptized by fire will be seasoned vets next year. We have more defensive recruits coming on board. We will be in our third year under Gerg, with greater familiarity on schemes, and less thinking, more reacting instinctively. We also will see continued improvement in the linebacking corps.

I think Brian is exactly right in suggesting that 2011 is the critical year for evaluation of Rodriguez as Michigan's football coach.

My one complaint:  I lay responsibility for special teams play this year on Rodriguez. To my way of thinking, this is a coaching issue, and less one of experience and depth. Our kicking game and return game and coverage on punts, field goals, and kickoffs all leave a lot to be desired. With Gerg working with linebackers, (and hence, no problem with NCAA coaching staff restrictions,) there is room on the staff for a coach dedicated to special teams play. While player stupidity occurs at every level from PeeWee to the NFL, I just don't see an adequate excuse for how special teams have performed in 2010. For this one area, I hope that Dave Brandon meddles and gets on Rodriguez to improve.

michgoblue

October 19th, 2010 at 12:03 PM ^

If you don't like the post - and the title pretty much summed up what it would be about - then you don't have to read it. 

There are many posts that I skip because the topic doesn't interest me.

EDIT:  In reading my own post, I realized that it might come off as dick-ish.  Not intended that way at all.  Just saying that not all posts are for everyone.

Steve Lorenz

October 19th, 2010 at 12:13 PM ^

If you don't have anything to comment on, don't fucking comment. Believe it or not, there are aspects of the game that people have grounds to criticize the coaching staff on. This poster goes about it in a clear-cut respectful manner. Let him have his say. In the mean time, go find somewhere else to post. 

Other Chris

October 19th, 2010 at 11:04 PM ^

Some opinions don't merit expressing, because they are trite or obvious -- the head coach is ultimately responsible for everything -- or even pointless.  If you express them, some people will mock you.  Whoopdy fucking doo. 

This board deserves a bad reputation if it devolves into pointless and redundant, if respectful, jibber-jabber about apportioning blame for loses. 

Steve Lorenz

October 20th, 2010 at 11:02 AM ^

Nice re-use of whoopdy fucking doo to combat what I had written. Incredibly clever. 

 

It's absolutely not redundant on this board. The only redundancy is that anyone on this board that criticizes the coaching staff in any way will be blasted with useless comments like yours. I don't blame the coaches nearly as much as some of these posters but won't mock them for posting an OPINION. 

KinesiologyNerd

October 19th, 2010 at 11:37 AM ^

I'm confused... Are you saying that there is an opening for a coaching position? If yes, do you really think they would let that go unfilled?

 

BTW- Tony Gibson is the "special teams coordinator"

Phil Davison

October 19th, 2010 at 12:32 PM ^

That is code for we don't have one (a special teams coach) (due to coaching limitations, of course).

And obviously the real issue isn't the coaching. How hard is it to kick a football down the middle of the field? I could go out there and make sure the ball stayed in bounds (thank you, 4 years of HS soccer). I think it's focus, these kids need to get some pressure taken off them and just relax... I'm sure they can hear the collective breath hold on the Michigan fanbase as they take the field. Looks like Hagerup might be getting used to it though.

bouje

October 19th, 2010 at 11:36 AM ^

And hagerup has really come around.
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<br>Of course I'm sure that has nothing to do with coaching.
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<br>(yes the kicking game is bad but we have 2 freshmen vieing for the spot)

wolverine1987

October 19th, 2010 at 12:01 PM ^

You're right--meaning that if you were serious with that statement, you'd be right. Instead you were sarcastic and wrong. Rodriguez himself has said on the record that they have no kicking coach and technique coach. Our kickers pretty much handle their own technique work, Therefore Hagerup turned himself around. 

It is indisputable by any reasonable person that special teams success or failure is on the coaching, especially given young players. As others have said before--players of mediocre talent and little experience CAN be taught to be sound fundamentally and at least be be mediocre on the field. We are not mediocre on special team, we are bad.

cbuswolverine

October 19th, 2010 at 12:51 PM ^

amen

this:

Our kicking game and return game and coverage on punts, field goals, and kickoffs all leave a lot to be desired.

is simply not true.  We are 11th nationally in kickoff return defense.  We are 71st nationally in punt return defense but that is 47 yards on 5 returns so a) not enough data and b) we haven't let anybody break any big returns.  Our true freshman punter is currently 42nd in net punting and he has gotten better as the season has progressed.  

wolverine1987

October 19th, 2010 at 2:24 PM ^

Because the coaches do. The coaches are not happy with "special teams" either. Was the standing around after the blocked punt "special teams?" Was letting a guy through to block the kick (along with a low kick) "special teams?" We two fumbled punts this year (recovered by us though) special teams? Yes. You are a fucking parody. The point I made was that special teams mistakes are on the coaches--that's it. And they are.

STW P. Brabbs

October 19th, 2010 at 3:02 PM ^

So our kick coverage has been pretty good.  Our returns have been subpar, and I'll bet you a kidney that Gallon muffs another punt by the end of the year.  We are almost at a high school level in terms of field goals, and it's not just the kickers themselves - there have been a number of bad snaps and two blocks in the very minimal number of attempts this year. 

I think we need a special teams coach.  In fact, I'd personally be in favor of replacing Tony Gibson and Brathwaite with one honest-to-goodness secondary coach so we can hire a special teams coach ... but of course Tony is here as long as Rodriguez. 

 

OldManUfer

October 19th, 2010 at 4:40 PM ^

When were all these bad snaps on FG attempts? Serious quesiton. I think there was one against Notre Dame, but that's all that comes to mind..

As for the blocks, that's often caused (or exarcerbated) by a low kick, which is the kicker's fault from that distance. On the other hand, I do blame the coaches for even putting the kickers out there in those situations.

StephenRKass

October 19th, 2010 at 4:19 PM ^

Obv., you can sub-divide offense into OL, and receivers, and QB, etc., and defense into LB, & DL, and secondary, but usually you lump the offense together and the defense together. I suppose it would have been more accurate to break down the special teams further. But that pushes my OP even further into the tl;dr category.

Suffice to say, I think special teams are an area that can improve, and I don't think a preponderance of freshman should keep this from happening.

bouje

October 19th, 2010 at 12:15 PM ^

That's like saying "well carvin Johnson is playing well! Why isn't every freshman playing well! Unacceptable!"
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<br>The odds of freshmen being good are not good and the odds of freshmen kickers being good are not very good. Why do you think that kickers are generally upper classmen?

SirJack

October 19th, 2010 at 12:32 PM ^

Phew, people are really obsessing over freshmen these days. Every team has to play some freshmen. This is college football. Many players on many teams are young and inexperienced. This is why teams have so many practices (hah).

UMich87

October 19th, 2010 at 1:08 PM ^

into the rotation to get experience with seasoned players on the field to cover mistakes is a whole world apart from fielding a defensive backfield lacking game experience.  Freshman are much easier to deal with so long as you don't have to rely on a bunch of them at once.

nicknick

October 19th, 2010 at 11:36 AM ^

Rather than Brandon getting involved, I'd much rather a unicorn intervene and kick Rodriguez into gear. It's obviously not that the kids on special teams are already a talent level below that of the defensive starters, it's just that they need a good talking to. 

jg2112

October 19th, 2010 at 11:38 AM ^

I'm glad you are personally butt-hurt about the special teams play. You are truly unique in that regard. I'm sure Coach Rodriguez is very concerned about your placement of blame.

michgoblue

October 19th, 2010 at 12:02 PM ^

We know - the coaches don't read.  This is a fan site, and as such, the OP was merely expressing his opinion as a fan. 

I really don't see what is wrong with this. 

Are his opinions open to attack - absolutely, and a few posters up chain pointed out the improvement of Hagerup, the punt coverage, the fact that our kickers are both freshmen.  But I don't see what the problem is with someone posting their opinion of where blame should lie.

StephenRKass

October 19th, 2010 at 7:32 PM ^

I'm not that concerned. My OP isn't rocket science. I love RR, and hope he's here a long time. I love the offense, and think the defense will be fine by next year. And thankfully, I don't think any of the coaches give a rip about any stupid message board out there in the blogosphere. They've got lots better things to do. I just think the coaches can do a better job with special teams, and can do it now. End of story.

Marley Nowell

October 19th, 2010 at 11:39 AM ^

  • Kick Returns: Last year Michigan was awesome but now they suck.  Hopefully this gets worked out as the season progresses
  • Kick Coverage: no major problems
  • Punt Returns: have gotten much better this year where I don't have a heartattack everytime we attempt to field a punt
  • Punt Coverage: nothing egregious so far
  • Kickoffs: RR said that kicking out of bounds never happened in practice before.
  • FGs: Ugh.  RR had an excellent kicking game at WVU hopefully we can do the same soon

mgokev

October 19th, 2010 at 12:04 PM ^

With regards to running into your own blockers on returns, it is difficult to read what your blockers will be doing.  Returns aren't like an offensive play where the runner knows where each blocker is supposed to be and where the holes are supposed to develop.  The kick returner could be running for a gap, but the blocker may decide to push his defender into that gap.  Perhaps the returner assumes there will be a gap developing, but the blocker just holds his guy there.  Because there is no actual play called (to be read as blocking scheme on a set defense), being able to read what is developing is much, much more difficult.  Additionally, on kick offs, the tacklers aren't coming from a centralized and compact area like would be the case for a RB against a 4-3 set.  The kickoff team is supposed to maintain their lanes and converge when the returner has picked his route.  So while getting 2 or 3 key blocks on a 4-3 defense would open up a 95 yard touchdown run, getting a successful kickoff return means that the returner effectively eluded all 11 players coming downhill and "collapsing" upon the returner.

In sum, I don't see kickoff/punt returns as a major problem.  I am more concerned with the lack of blocking ability and "push" the line has had on field goals, and the kicker's low trajectory on kicks outside of 20 yards.

EDIT: All that said, I haven't exactly been pleased with the field vision of our returners.  I'm just giving them some credit in that returning kicks is a lot more difficult than it seems.

willywill9

October 19th, 2010 at 12:13 PM ^

Fair enough, just wondering when we'll start to get better field position on KR and Punts... to be honest, I'm just glad that so far we haven't... nevermind I won't jinx it, but i'm sure you know what I was about to say.

That said, I think Jeremy Gallon started to get better during the Iowa game.... anyone else agree?

mgokev

October 19th, 2010 at 12:19 PM ^

Yep, I know what you were about to say and I'm glad you didn't say it.  Gallon did seem to get better during the Iowa game though.  I think a lot of it comes with experience.  I know, shocking.  I'm hoping and expecting that the field vision from a returner's perspective will develop over time with increased familiarity and we can see improvement throughout the season.  I thought Stonum did well on kickoffs last year.  I would like to see him back there instead of Smith.