The defense is the issue at hand not the offense, or the recruiting. So why call for RR's head when he is doing all that he can to get this team back into shape. Gre Robinson has shown time and time again that he does not have what it takes to coach a defense! I will always stand behing the head coach because I am devoted to Michigan Football!! All we need is a defense and we are well on our way to winning the Big10 again.
FIRE GREG ROBINSON!!!
I disagree, because...
Solid Post Sir
Just visited the Harry Truman library and museum in Independence, MO recently. There are responsibilities one assumes as the boss. If Greg Robinson isn't getting the job done, then Rich Rod is not getting the job done.
"Better to have died as a small boy than to fumble this football" -- John Heisman
Correct
RR brought GERG here, so yes, he's ultimately accountable for GERG's failures. But that doesn't mean we have to throw out the baby with the bathwater. RR hired Jeff Casteel. He hired Scott Shafer. He hired Calvin Magee. It's not like he has a history of screwing up coordinator hires. He just blew this last one. I'm willing to give him a chance to find a replacement DC.
Agreed. Robinson is horrible!
Agreed. Robinson is horrible!
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He's blown the last two defensive coordinator hires.
That's more concerning than just one.
It's amazing that Rodriguez
It's amazing that Rodriguez brought Greg Robinson here in the first place after his WVU teams cut up those atrocious Syracuse GERG defenses.
Syracuse '03, Michigan G'05
Space bitches, space.
No its not recruiting
UM has had top ten classes
Really?
Maybe the classes are top 10 when the rankings end, but when you factor in attrition they are easily some of the worst classes we have had at UM. Look at some of Lloyd's classes if you want a good comparison.
Whos fault is the attrition?
Whos fault is the attrition? Who rectuited guys who can't qualify, and can't seem to develop and retain guys who make it campus?
Other teams have attrition, and injuries too, and manage to get defensiv stops ... take Penn State for example.
Being sarcastic
duh..
Class Ranks are pointless
When is the last time the team with the #1 class became a dynasty. Ranking the classes is pointless, you have a bunch of HS kids being watched on film and then evaluated. There are literally thousands of kids and we are suppose to expect these kids and classes to be ranked 1 through whatever. The only factor that is important is the results on the field.
"Those who stay will be champions" -Bo
I understand
and agree with most of what you said, but the teams that have recruited very well normally do end up performing well and quite often become a dynasty. Pete Carroll had 5 stars fighting other 5 stars just to get on the two-deep and look how dominant they were. Florida has consistently brought in tons of talent and this is the first year they have not really looked dynastic. You need look no further than the hated OSU down south to see how aquiring great talent usually equals great success. Class rankings may not be the end-all-be-all but they do mean something.
Boise State is the exception to this, not the rule.
so what would you do if you
so what would you do if you were DC?
4-3
We are clearly better up front than the scondary so I would load the box and try and apply more pressure. We can't expect these young kids in the secondary to make big plays. We need the size and speed of the OL and line backers to take the pressure off. Apply pressure and the QB is bound to make mistakes, especially a walk on QB.
Look at all the plays we get gashed on for long yards...throwing situations. We do decent against the run but when anyone drops back to throw we all hold our breath.
I am not saying I can do a better job but is it too much to ask for that someone step up and fix the defense?!
Then I would
slowly walk the defense through this thing they call a "counter" play and show them why it is so important for them to follow there responsibilities and not over pursue this type of play, every feaking time....Our D was exposed with these types of plays started at the UMass game. You would think that they would have at least figured out how to better defend these types of running plays by now.....MSU, Iowa and now PSU killed us with these same basic running plays..... Its not like they are running the mysterious "triple option" play...
“Oh Yeah, what he said forgodsakes...” - -
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I agree that we need more
I agree that we need more pressure up front. At least if we get burned on some big plays our offense can get back on the field and stay in rhythm. It is clear that playing in rhythm is important for this offense, and having the defense allow 6+ minute drives for TDs every time kills our offensive momentum and timing.
"People who love sausage and respect the law should never watch either being made."
1st off I wouldn't run the
1st off I wouldn't run the 3-3-5 because it's not working now. I thought the phrase went "if it isn't broken don't fix it", not "if it's not working keep doing it". A couple times they got pressure tonight, but with still with only 3 guys it doesn't work, and since the corners can't cover anyway, why does it matter? Go with the 4-3 or 4-4. Van Bergen, Martin/Banks, Black, and Roh would be lethal. The only part of this defense I have some faith in is the d-line.
2nd, I would bring Charles Woodson and Sean Crable back to teach these guys how to hit and tackle right.
"Ohio is like a giant turd that Michigan just can't pinch off"
I thought the phrase went "if
I thought the phrase went "if it isn't broken don't fix it", not "if it's not working keep doing it".
That latter would be the definition of insanity.
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Serious question though, did
Serious question though, did Notre Dame make a mistake by not giving Davie, Willingham, or Weis more time? Do you really think any of those guys who had gotten the job done if they had been given more time.
Willingham
Not to butt in, but I definitely think they fired Willingham too soon. They canned the guy after three years basically because his recruiting rankings weren't high enough to make anyone believe he would turn it around, then the players he'd recruited went to back to back BCS bowl games under Weis. Not sure how it would have played out after that, but obviously Charlie was not an upgrade in the end.
It is spelled HOKEAMANIA. Our coach is an ass-kicking American citizen, not one of the Beatles, for Christ's sake!
Not the same
situation bro. People need to realize this. While Rich's teams keep showing improvement on offense, this never happened with any of the above named coaches.
As the dude above you said,
As the dude above you said, Willingham did. It just was after he got canned. His classes panned out well.
MGoGTI
They definitely fired the man
They definitely fired the man too quickly, but its hard to argue that Willingham would have gotten the job done at Notre Dame. The way that he ran the Washington program into the ground, its hard for me to believe that he would have ever been good enough at Notre Dame. So in that respect, it turned out to be the right decision for Notre Dame.
disagree
they could not have fired that man soon enough. His first class (or two? foggy memory) panned out well. After that, there was a devastating drop in talent... And look what happened to weis when those kids were seniors. Some of the blame still falls on weis, sure.
This is how it went down. A prominent official met with Willingham during his 3rd year, expressing concern with the major recruiting neglect. Willingham responds by saying he was contacted by Washington, and would like to grant their request for an interview.... and you're telling me this dude didn't deserve to get fired? He completely slacked on recruiting, when he gets questioned about it... he basically responds: F U, if you don't like it, i can leave
But if you want an idea as to what would happen if Ty had more time with his ways instilled and a little talent on offense, look no further than Washington with Jake Locker. Willingham slowly rotted that program out. 0-12 in his final year!!! And yes, ask anyone who followed the UW program, and/or its recruiting, he slacked again at Washington.
That's stupidly
That's stupidly oversimplistic. If we go 5-7 this year and lost our next four games by twenty points, then good riddance to him. We need a head coach, not a glorified offensive coordinator; JLS was good at making an offense, but his teams ultimately sucked.
I'd agree that firing RR now would be f'ing stupid, but it may be the right choice by the end of the season. Not even considering that as a possibility would be f'ing stupid.
I will always stand behing the head coach because I am devoted
But not the assistants.
"I love him, he's a great coach, he's a great mentor, he's a great friend. He's every single thing you want a college coach to be, and he does it flawlessly." -David Molk
RR is responsible for GERG.
RR is responsible for GERG. If he can't find the right defensive coordinator two times now, what confidence can we have that he would if we gave him another chance?
He had the right DC the first
He had the right DC the first time. That's what's frustrating.
But he could not get along with him because he kept interfering.
All while claiming he doesn't know much about D.
M'Dog
There is absolutely no doubt
There is absolutely no doubt that he blew it in 2008 with the defensive staff. I do harbor hope, though, that he can learn from that and give his DC the autonomy he needs. But that DC needs to be someone other than GERG.
Maybe this is why the
Maybe this is why the defensive players were so pissed off at him that year
3rd time's the charm...
3rd time's the charm...
"Ohio is like a giant turd that Michigan just can't pinch off"
No
RR is the HEAD F'ING COACH. That means you take responsibility for the whole team. Blaming the D Coord is a cop out. RR runs the show, and that means he's responsible for it. This "blame GERG not RR" stuff is garbage. It's been bad all season, and whatever RR has or has not done has failed.
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^^^ this...
You're going to have a busy
You're going to have a busy night of neg--bombing and RR defense posts...
Maybe we should blame the
Maybe we should blame the person who fired Scott Schafer and hired GREG...
Give me a break. The same
Give me a break. The same clowns that are now calling for Rich Rod's head were witch hunting Schafer 2 years ago. Knee jerk reactions are the best these people can come up with, and we'll hear them from now till the end of time.
I didn't think that the
I didn't think that the defense was the problem in '08 and Thought that it was a cop out to place all the blame for 3-9 on Schafer. Also I find it funny that no mater what the DC wants to do the team ends up playing a 3-3-5. If RR stuck to offence and didn't fiddle with the defense and make it worse each year I would still support him.
Dude, you stole my thunder. I
Dude, you stole my thunder. I think the powers that be panicked after 3-9, and had to place the blame on someone. Couldn't place the blame on RR at the time as it was his first year, and they were starting a transfer and a walk-on at QB ( the most importan position in the offense) so obviously, it was the D's fault, and down goes Schafer.
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Didn't RR hire Greg?
Didn't RR hire Greg?
RR has his own issue.
He has change two DCs, but no improvement. He has no clue.
RR is responsible
RR is in charge of every inch of the program. That's why he is a millionaire. If he had any balls, he'd either ditch the 3-3-5 or GERG or both.
Have anyone on staff (or have open tryouts like they did for the PK) take the defense. Couldn't be any worse than it is now.
Can Lloyd Brady play secondary?
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The frustrating part is
we had guys in position to make plays and they just didn't do it. Mouton having Royster at the line and it becoming a fifteen yard gain, Talbott in position for an INT or at least a PBU and he gets neither and the WR runs for 30+ after the catch, Roh overpursuing as he yells there it goes again on the counter. I could continue, but why beat a dead horse.
The 3-3-5 needs to go ASAP and this falls on RR. Without Martin this team has zero chance of being successful in this package and PSU exposed that despite having a sub par rushing attack most of the season. and starting a walk on at QB. It wastes Roh's talents as an edge rusher and puts him in a position where he is obviously struggling.
The staff had two weeks to come up with a plan to beat a team that had been struggling on both sides of the ball and this is what we get. A walk on looking like he's all Big Ten. Finally, when Tate struggled last year he brought in Denard for a series or two despite DRob being nothing more than a glorified RB. If Denard's shoulder is not healthy does RR want a repeat of last year? Tate is capable give him a chance. My expectations have dropped to hoping for a win at Purdue to get bowl eligible. I really don't want to see RR fired, but if he can't win in the Big Ten he must go especially since last night was the first time in my life I turned off a Michigan game before it was over because I had no faith that they could come back.
Mostly agree
I really like our offense and am really excited to see how it does with more experience/talent. I hate the thought that changing head coaches might mean a change in offensive scheme and, inevitably, more transfers. But the defense is a disaster. I have zero faith in GERG now. He went up against a team with a walk-on QB, which ran an extremely limited playbook, and still managed to be outcoached. Blackledge summed it up: "These defensive backs are shellshocked." They have no confidence, and how can you blame them when their DC is afraid to put them in a place to make plays even against a walk-on QB?
But RR needs to recognize that he needs an ace DC, and that DC needs the leeway to run the defense how he sees fit. What's frustrating is that RR got it right the first time. When Casteel wouldn't come, he hired a bright young mind in Scott Shafer. But he didn't give him the support he needed - when there was staff dissention, he inexplicably sided with the position coaches over Shafer. And then he hired an old retread in GERG, a man who coaches like it's the 1970s and QBs can't throw.
RR needs to let GERG go, find the best DC he can, pay top dollar (with Brandon's approval) to get him - and then give him whatever he needs.
Doesn't this make
RR ans ace OC and a horrible HC? He's in over his head and has failed at Michian. Why even defend the guy? I understand people believeing that he is a great OC, but that is only ~50% of the game.
"They're stuck with that quarterback (sophomore Braxton Miller) for the next two or three years, that's fine with me. He throws worse than (Tim) Tebow. - Steve Everitt
RR has won
everywhere he has gone whether he's a OC or HC. His track record speak for itself.
Um...
Really? That's you're arguement? I guess the UM sucks ass, and RR is God.
"They're stuck with that quarterback (sophomore Braxton Miller) for the next two or three years, that's fine with me. He throws worse than (Tim) Tebow. - Steve Everitt
Why don't you step away?
What has RR done at Michigan? Give me some facts? This is not the BE, this is not WVU. I'm saying he's not right for Michigan.
"They're stuck with that quarterback (sophomore Braxton Miller) for the next two or three years, that's fine with me. He throws worse than (Tim) Tebow. - Steve Everitt
It is too bad the Michigan
It is too bad the Michigan fan base is too entitled and whiney they don't want to work to win.
Congrats for being that guy. Again, the guy has won 4 games, and your only arguement is that 3 years ago, Lloyd was the worst guy ever and gave poor Rich no people.
I guess we'll see what happens in the next 2 weeks. I hope Michigan wins, and I'l lose my voice at the Illinois game next week, but please wake up. RR may be awesome but he fucked up his coaching job at Michigan. Take that to the bank!
"They're stuck with that quarterback (sophomore Braxton Miller) for the next two or three years, that's fine with me. He throws worse than (Tim) Tebow. - Steve Everitt
... the buck didn't stop at Alben Barkley.
(look it up).
Do Something. If it works, do more of it. If it doesn't, do something else.