This is the kind of kids that you love coming to MICHIGAN!!
This is the kind of kids that you love coming to MICHIGAN!!
Great to hear, but most recruits don't think this way.
It is tough to make mature decisions as a 17/18 year old. This kid did so with the spotlight beaming directly on him, well done. I hope this headiness is a sign of things to come.
Thanks for posting. That 's great advice from his dad.
I hope that he recruits for us too. We are so thin at this position and to here quotes from a 17-18 year old young man really makes you happy to see him in the Maize And Blue!! He reminds me of Ricardo Miller and knowing that he always wanted to come to MICHIGAN and accomplish his dream.
These two young guys will be two of my favorite Wolverines no matter how they perform on the fied because they are class acts on and off the field.
Wow. It shouldn't be a pleasant surprise to read comments like his, but it always is. Kudos to you young man. Kudos.
of kids who think this way? Fricken' awesome.
except Michigan and Notre Dame have much better academic programs than most schools with strong football programs. But that's a totally immature decision to make for sure...
Care to explain yourself? The Michigan man "social myth" you denigrate is based on contributions of Michigan Men and Women to society going back to 1817. This includes a President, Men on the moon, (i.e. Space, Bitches, Space), the Google dude, and on and on. When a Michigan Man or Woman is employed at my company, I know they are better prepared than their peers to succeed and flourish. Granted, there is a lot more that goes into the decision making process, but seeing "University of Michigan" on a resume is a great place to start.
Was that sarcasm? I hope it was but I can't figure out if it was.
I hope you are not twitter buddies with Blake.
I am not sure about your statement. Are you speaking from personal experience. My Michigan degree has opened alot of doors for me. Those same doors would not be opened for me had I transferred to Florida or Texas as I was thinking of doing.
I double majored in Poli Sci and History and I work on Wall Street. And I get compliments on my Michigan degree all the time. I just noticed, that when I have interviewed, I always get a compliment about my Michigan education. And I have interviewed in NY and in the SEC country. Sure, maybe it was not a factor, but I know when I interview people, I don't compliment their education unless they went to an IVY or Cal.
I also tend to look more favorably at Michigan alums.
None taken, but do me a favor and tell me why.
I think you are absolutely right. I know plenty of smart people who went to lesser schools and dumb people who went to IVY's. Trust me, I see alot of messed up stuff on Wall Street. Some of the people who make the most money went to lesser schools and work hard.
And who says I form a character judgement over their school. It gives me one basis for my judgement and if I give a compliment about it, it's always at the beginning of the interview. The school is something that is hard for someone to lie about. Most of the resume is embellished and I can figure it out after the interview is started. If they went to a lesser school, then I won't mention a thing. You want to know why. It's better to not say anything then to insult them.
Btw, I hope you noticed the compliment further down in the thread that I gave you before you called me a dick. I guess I am a dick because I just want people to understand the importance of a Michigan education.
Not being snarky at all, I thank you for explaining to me and btw, I didn't neg you because you spoke what was on your mind. Can't fault anyone over that.
Edit : This was my experience and maybe different for others. I wasn't trying to post my resume. I just wanted to share my experience.
Did you graduate from LS&A and have trouble finding better opportunities or did you graduate engineering or business and have success finding work?
I am not sure who you are asking because it's a little hard to to figure out with the formats. But, I graduated more than 10 years ago. I didn't have trouble finding opporunities but I applied for a lot of openings and started entry level.
You clearly have no idea whatsoever what you are talking about if you remotely consider the University of Florida to offer a comparable undergraduate education as the University of Michigan.
My brother is a UMich alum and has taught at both instituitions, and while he appreciated Florida's talented faculty in some of their graduate programs, he was regularly astonished at the low quality of undergrads in the courses he taught.
The State of Florida has a absolutely terrible public school system (on average) and it shows each fall when their best and brightest arrive in Gainesville.
i don't know. You want to know what the first thing the interviewer said to me. Oh great, you went to Michigan, great school. I said yes, a bit suprised since he went to Harvard. Sure, he may have loved my resume. But, he constantly brought up the quality of education across the board not just B school or engineering. Guess what, my buddy who went to Texas interviewed a day later, and said the same interviewer never mention anything about schooling. And guess who got the job. Our resumes were fairly similar after college. this was for a large financial firm in NY and was 10 years ago. Maybe things have changed. When I went for another interview this year, same thing. Michigan great school, I want to send my children there. What school did he go to, Georgetown.
Sure, there may be other factors. Sometimes the real world is a little different than academia.
Interesting statement, what specific data and or research do you care to cite to show that your statement about undergraduate degrees from Michigan not meaning a whole hell of a lot is more than just your experience or opinion?
Otherwise, I feel the need to point out to you that on this board.....
Although made abrasively, I agree with most of your arguments.
There's just one issue: you're the one who introduced "michigan man" and "the michigan difference" to Blake's decision. He just said he wants to go to michigan because he thinks he'll be happiest here and satisfied with a michigan degree, not because he wants to be a "michigan man" or part of "the michigan difference."
The "michigan difference" campaign is brilliant marketing though, no?
Slow down, BigGay. Your frustrated, mediocre grad student is showing.
At least we can count on him to be all in for Michigan.
What's this? A 4-star defensive recruit that wants to stay at Michigan?
So we CAN have nice things???
I agree with you about UF and Texas. I thought about transferring there for many reasons, one was because they are great schools. You are definitely more educated than I am, and by that I mean graduate degrees and such. I just don't think you can sell short a Michigan degree. I certainly was pleasantly surprised.
i've enjoyed reading your thoughts on this thread, mostly because they at least try to turn convention on its head a bit (the convention being that "going to Michigan" is somehow better than "going to Florida" or something like that).
However, you are wrong. Let me explain.
One big difference, however, in what school you went to as an undergrad, arises when you apply to graduate schools. Having served on a number of different graduate admissions committees, it makes a BIG difference what undergraduate institution you went to. A 4.0 at Michigan, for example, is simply worth a lot more than a 4.0 at Florida.
Why? Well, simple: the competition. The "better" the perception of the school, the better the student population. And when you do well amongst a good student population, that is a better indicator of how good you are.
So, is Michigan a "better" place to go than Florida? (I am just using Florida as an example here, not to pick on UF in particular). Well, let's compare the student bodies (this is different, btw, than comparing the "students' bodies", which we'll leave to another post). Average SAT scores of incoming classes for both Michigan and Florida, reported as 25th and 75th percentiles:
25th percentile: 590/640
75th percentile: 690/740
25th percentile: 560/580
75th percentile: 670/690
As you can see, there is a noticeable difference: Michigan students are "better" (at least according to the SAT). Without getting into quibbles about the meaning of standardized tests and all that, I think it is fair to agree that Michigan students, on the whole, are likely to be "smarter" on average; therefore, when you graduate from Michigan, and have done well, it "means more" to those evaluating you. It certainly does during the graduate admissions process (which I've seen first-hand). And I'm sure it does when you're getting hired at a job, too.
It is important to note that this doesn't mean Person A from Michigan is better than Person B from Florida; of course there are smart people everywhere, that much is obvious. But to say that it doesn't matter at all where you got your degree, well, that is just plain wrong.
Sounds like a smart kid with a good head on his shoulders.
If you look at the list of schools on the lists you link to, you'll also find Michigan State. Saying that UM and MSU are comparators because they're major state institutions and AAU members doesn't mean, by a long shot, that degrees from both institutions are equally well-regarded. A big reason for this is the makeup of the student body, which is MSU's case is significantly less high-powered than Michigan's.
My source? My brother, who has been a full professor at MSU for almost three decades. He has taught courses in his department at both the undergrad and grad level during that time, and from his first semester on, he has been consistently unimpressed, if not appalled, by the quality of students he's had in general, especially at the undergrad level. He's in routine contact with colleagues at other institutions, including Michigan, so his impressions are also "comparative" with what they tell him about their students. That doesn't mean that a kid can't get a damn good education at MSU, and there are plenty of grads from there who go on to do great things. However, dismissing the notion that a degree from UM is more highly regarded across the world than degrees from places like MSU or UF doesn't change the reality that in fact, it is.
aren't we supposed to be celebrating that a recruit came to Michigan because he wanted a Michigan education, rather than bashing Michigan's academics, saying they are indistinguishable between other undergraduate programs? Please save it for another thread, such as one that The Only Colors will almost certainly create. Personally, I'm just happy that Michigan received a high-profile recruit during the Month of CC Threads and Speculation.
I think the Countess family thought process says a lot about Blake's future off the field. I've done a lot of volunteer work with high school students. I almost always walk away impressed in many ways.
Thinking strategically and realistically about the future is often a tough one to grasp in high school. It's great to see the way Blake and his family approach the future. Glad it led them to Michigan!
All I know re: the whole degree pissing contest
I just got my undergraduate degree in M Engineering. I'm applying for jobs. If I had gotten it at MSU or UF, I'd be terrified in this economy. Instead, I feel relatively calm.
Maturity! That is the attitude we need. His decision is smart. It should be reinforced with lessons from Florida. Urban is a perfect example of "coaches come and go". Even a top level program is susceptible to coaching changes. You just never know. Dantonio could have left in an instant. Urban Meyer left on his own account. A lot can happen in 4 years. I wonder what the average tenure is for a coach of a top level program...
If only Dee Hart can see things the same way