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Bill Connelly Previews Michigan

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Mat
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Bill Connelly Previews Michigan

Connelly (from Football Outsiders) puts together an very good preview with tons of interesting stats.

Highlights:

  • Thinks 9 wins should be considered a success. "A Top 5 team, with good turnovers luck, might still lose two or three games with this road slate"
  • Michigan got lucky last year with turnover margin. "they benefited more from turnovers luck more than any other team in the country"
  • VaTech game is considered a loss from the perspective of F/+ measure
  • Roundtree's season was statistically atrocious (2.3 yards per target, 39% catch rate)
  • Gallon and Jackson lead the team in yards per target (over Hemingway)

 

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July 3rd, 2012 at 1:48 PM |   this is michigan for gods (Score:3 Normal)
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this is michigan for gods sakes.

ATTN NBA Dads and Siblings: Have brothers / sons on the hoops come-up? 

Michigan = NBA Family U

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July 3rd, 2012 at 2:25 PM | Patrick Bateman, awesome. (Score:1 Normal)
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Patrick Bateman, awesome.

Nobody home...

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July 3rd, 2012 at 2:02 PM | I sincerely hope we avoid the (Score:5 Normal)
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I sincerely hope we avoid the inevitable 25+ comment argument about what being "lucky" in TO margin means. I agree that 9 wins would be a successful season, but I don't see it as undoable. The only home game that really worries me is MSU, so I think we have a decent shot at running the table in Ann Arbor. From there it becomes splitting the games away from home and I think that's doable, especially since ND is quite overrated again this year(I know water is wet, blah blah, blah) 

Also screw the system that says the VT game was a loss. I'm as pro-advanced statistics as they come, but if you change the result of a game, then you're not analyzing what happened, you're playing revisionist history. 

" I want to win Big 10 titles. Multiply. Consecutively. I just made that word up (multiply). I'm like that. I'm good at Scrabble."

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July 3rd, 2012 at 5:14 PM | Realistically the State game (Score:1 Normal)
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Realistically the State game doesn't worry me at all. Last years away game was win-able, even with their good senior class. Now they're basically starting from scratch on both sides of the ball, without the benefit of the top in state recruits they picked up like Gholston.

How many times have you been on the freeway and had someone fly by you at 100 mph then end up 2 cars ahead of you at the off ramp? What's the point? -Mark Harmon

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July 3rd, 2012 at 2:01 PM | Oh you sweet, sweet, sweet (Score:2)
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Oh you sweet, sweet, sweet dummie.

This article was posted a few down from here. Don't sweat it Mat(t?), it happens to the best of us. 

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July 3rd, 2012 at 2:02 PM | oops (Score:0 Flamebait)
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I thought there was a lot more to it than expectations.  My fault though.

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July 3rd, 2012 at 2:03 PM | Still a pretty interesting (Score:2)
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Still a pretty interesting read in the middle of the summer though

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July 3rd, 2012 at 2:07 PM | i don't think this repost was (Score:3 Normal)
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i don't think this repost was too bad. I even clicked through that last thread and missed the link and it's not as if Connelly is mentioned in the other thread.  Then again I'm probably fairly obtuse so YMMV.

" I want to win Big 10 titles. Multiply. Consecutively. I just made that word up (multiply). I'm like that. I'm good at Scrabble."

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July 3rd, 2012 at 2:02 PM | I still hate the whole (Score:5 Normal)
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I still hate the whole "turnovers are luck" thing. Funny how good teams seem to have good luck all the time

 

 

"All I've had today is, like, six gummy bears and some scotch"

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July 3rd, 2012 at 2:14 PM | Luck or not, I'm even more (Score:4 Normal)
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Luck or not, I'm even more opposed to the concept that many believe that it ensures that we will get way less this season. I mean, the two things are completely unrelated in my opinion. We barely had any interceptions last year, but a bunch of fumble recoveries. Maybe we get more interceptions with an experienced secondary and less lucky the guy just dropped the ball fumbles. Maybe more guys mysteriously drop the football. Who knows. Trying to predict random occurrences seems pointless either way.

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July 3rd, 2012 at 2:26 PM | I think it's a stupid (Score:3 Normal)
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I think it's a stupid argument as well, and agree with the point that stats can only tell you about how the outcome happened, not that the outcome defied reality.  At the very least I think it's absurd to try to put a number on the effects of luck.  I'm sure the VT players weren't consoled by the fact that they actually "won" the game when you look at stats.  Only one stat matters to the players, the coaches, and the winning fans.  The rest is just sour grapes from the losers, and for some reason a lot of M fans that love to dwell on the negatives.  And there are A LOT of them as we all know.

"Michigan Defense" is dominating everything, in every aspect of life. That's a rough definition.

-Craig Roh 10/29/2011

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July 3rd, 2012 at 2:44 PM | I agree but the best way to (Score:3 Normal)
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I agree but the best way to convince people is to do that for more than one year. We had a great start last year if we can keep it going, or at least not fall back too badly, people will start to take notice.

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July 3rd, 2012 at 2:59 PM | Mattison creates his own luck, (Score:4 Normal)
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and I'm excited to see everyone shutting up about it when we are similarly "lucky" next year.

Formerly 'mgoblaniel.'

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July 3rd, 2012 at 3:15 PM | Rich Rod was bad luck? (Score:1)
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So we didn't secure the ball on offense and our defense played sloppy under Rich Rod. I am glad that was just bad luck and not actual losses. I am also no longer counting any OSU loses, because it was too emotional for the starters. VaTech we would have won by more but the team didn't have a back up center, so we won that game by 4 touchdowns actually. Please update your post sir.

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July 3rd, 2012 at 3:52 PM | Vatech game is considered a (Score:4 Normal)
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Vatech game is considered a win for all I effing care.

I poop excellence
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July 3rd, 2012 at 4:06 PM | Vatech (Score:2 Normal)
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Vatech is a win based on the only stat that means diddly squat, the final score baby. Hail to brunettes and the beach.

Bigscotto68

ohowihateohio.....

God Bless his cotton pickin' Maize and Blue heart

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July 3rd, 2012 at 5:19 PM | A "W" (Score:1)
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is a "W" any way you look at it.  Just like in golf...the scorecard has no place for description, just a number.  Hail to brunettes and the victors.  The beach is good but not worth hailing.

I mourn the passing of the Pretzel Bell (P-Bell), Mr. Flood's Party and The Del Rio but Pizza Bob's still lives on.

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July 3rd, 2012 at 9:34 PM | Yep. I was at the game and (Score:1)
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Yep. I was at the game and saw with my own eyes Gibbons kick the field goal. We won. Case closed.

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July 3rd, 2012 at 5:52 PM | The writer is a bit of a (Score:2 Insightful)
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The writer is a bit of a downer. He has some good stats, but he doesn't list some of our best stats, like scoring defense, time of possession, or red zone efficiency. I get the feeling he did this writeup without ever watching the games we played last year. We won with effort, and execution. We had the fewest penalties in the B1G, wore opponents down with physical play, we forced a ton of turnovers, and scored a ton of points. Reading the article its like the Nebraska game never happened, and the whole season was an accident, or something. He does finish it on a somewhat positive note, though.

How many times have you been on the freeway and had someone fly by you at 100 mph then end up 2 cars ahead of you at the off ramp? What's the point? -Mark Harmon

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July 3rd, 2012 at 6:04 PM | I will sum up all that you (Score:2)
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I will sum up all that you said into one word.

MANBALL

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July 3rd, 2012 at 7:06 PM | Everyone is looking at it the wrong way (Score:1)
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Michigan performs best when rated the underdog.

"That's all there is...there isn't anymore"

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July 3rd, 2012 at 9:04 PM | I read this review and didnt (Score:3 Normal)
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I read this review and didnt care for it.  It reeks of an 'outsider' writer basing his opinions on some things that he read on blogs, and some clips on espn highlights.  He is off base in many respects in both his opinions, as well as just some common sense thinking in evaluating this team in general.

For example... at one point, he laments last season's "offensive decline" over the last six games by pointing out that the avg. points per game in victory dropped significantly.  Well geeze... as if contrasting a tough 2nd half schedule (Ohio, Neb., VT etc games) vs. some cushy opening games and non conference opponents didnt contribute heavily to that discrepancy?  Id bet most good DI teams in tough conferences have a similar point ratio that takes place during the season.

I also didnt care for his comment about how the 2nd string QB may be the best WR on the team...that may be true, and could signal a red flag...however anyone who really knows anything about Devin Gardner knows that he is a freak athlete with the size and skills to be a top WR on ANY team.  

 

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