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Big Ten Week Six Lines

With conference season finally in full swing this week (10/12 playing, no OOC games), and the Big Ten looking wide open, let's take a look at who is favored and by how much. All lines are from Caesars.

Michigan State v. Indiana (+16)
Illinois v. Wisconsin (-14)
Nebraska v. Ohio (-4)
Northwestern v. Penn State (-3.5)
Michigan v. Purdue (+3)
Iowa and Minnesota have byes.

Vegas has Michigan playing the closest game this weekend, with Wisconsin and Michigan State expected to win easily. Is Purdue's DL that good/is Denard going to have another five turnovers? Can State put together a seventeen point win against an IU defense allowing twenty-seven points per game? Can Ohio pull off its second victory over ranked Legends teams in consecutive weeks, and by more than a field goal?

I'll take my own quiz: No, no, M covers. Yes. Yes, I don't know (Lincoln is still a mystery).

 

 

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October 1st, 2012 at 4:32 PM | I've got Nebraska +5.  (Score:2 Normal)
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I've got Nebraska +5.  Easiest money of the week.

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October 1st, 2012 at 4:35 PM | Definitely not.  Braxton (Score:1 Overrated)
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Definitely not.  Braxton Miller is going to dominate Nebraska's defense.  Nebraska may have one of the worst defenses in the Big Ten.

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October 1st, 2012 at 4:37 PM | Oh I agree the game will be (Score:1)
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Oh I agree the game will be high scoring, but OSU will have no answer for Martinez and the offense.  That back 7 is awful.

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October 1st, 2012 at 4:53 PM | I have Nebraska winning this weekend (Score:1)
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also. I can see Martinez terrorizing that OSU secondary but I also see Miller giving Nebraska's DL nightmares. However Ohio St offensively still didn't look strong with missed routes and overthrown balls something Martinez has improved on. I can see Nebraska winning 24-20 or 27-21.

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October 1st, 2012 at 4:54 PM | I think OSU's one-dimensional (Score:1)
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I think OSU's one-dimensional offense really catches up with them this week, especially since Nebraska's LBs seem to be coming around nicely.

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October 1st, 2012 at 4:55 PM | I disagree (Score:2 Normal)
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I disagree, urban is a great game by game coach, he'll find a scheme to stop martinez. Look what he did to bell last week.

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October 1st, 2012 at 5:19 PM | If he could't find a scheme (Score:3 Normal)
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If he could't find a scheme to stop UAB, I don't think he's going to find one for Nebraska.  While they contained Bell last week, they were also torched through the air, and if MSU receivers could catch anything, MSU wins that game. 

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October 1st, 2012 at 7:57 PM | They were torched through the (Score:2 Normal)
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They were torched through the air, yet MSU receivers didn't catch anything. Makes sense. 

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October 1st, 2012 at 8:27 PM | Although the juxtaposition of (Score:3 Normal)
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Although the juxtaposition of those two phrases seems a bit off, I bet you get what he meant. 

It was either, "Despite MSU receivers not being able to catch anything (much), OSU was torched through the air" or "OSU was torched through the air, and if the MSU receivers hadn't dropped so many balls, it would have been even worse, or they may have won."

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October 1st, 2012 at 8:57 PM | Ohio's D has been thoroughly exposed. (Score:1)
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It's only a matter of time before they come up short, most likely in the air.

Abort, Retry, Fail?

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October 1st, 2012 at 4:36 PM | Hate to say (Score:1)
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I hate to say it but ohio/urban will prolly find a way win.

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October 1st, 2012 at 5:16 PM | This is magical thinking; Urban Meyer is a boogie man (Score:1)
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living inside you. Disinter him. Nebraska by 10. We need OSU to lose; then we need to beat Nebraska ourselves. I don't know how. Yet. 

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October 1st, 2012 at 4:40 PM | I have to think the Wiscy +14 (Score:2)
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I have to think the Wiscy +14 bet would be hard to pass on. IL is just a tire fire right now. The NW/PSU game should be fun to watch. I'll be hard pressed to get the UM/PU game in as I have to work a wedding (with my wife, who is the planner) @ 3 PM CDT.

EDIT: I see I'm screwed with a 3 PM CDT start. Damn it.

Nobody home...

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October 1st, 2012 at 4:47 PM | I agree. (Score:2)
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Wisconsin's offense looked awful in their first three games, but it finally picked up some steam last weekend in Lincoln. Illinois gave up 52 points to Louisiana Tech and 35 points to a subpar Penn State offense. They are quickly becoming the new Indiana. This is the first time all year I feel comfortable taking Wisconsin to cover.

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October 1st, 2012 at 5:13 PM | Wiscy looking good? (Score:2 Insightful)
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Wisconsin's offense only looked good because Nebraska turned the ball over so much in the first half. They took advantage of those turnovers, and then they got annihilated in the second half by a (probably) bad Nebraska D. One drive in the third quarter and then nothing.

Wisconsin and MSU have no business being given +14 or better over anyone. Their offenses look completely terrible and will have a hard time winning games big. Even against weaker opponents.

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October 1st, 2012 at 9:00 PM | True. (Score:2)
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That's true. I fully expect Illinois to turn the ball over plenty in this game, so I still think Wisconsin has a good chance of covering.

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October 1st, 2012 at 4:41 PM | What's the O/U for the (Score:1)
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What's the O/U for the Ohio/Neb game?  I'm pretty sure the over is a good bet no matter what it is.  Neither defense has shown an ability to stop an offense with even the slighest pulse.

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October 1st, 2012 at 4:51 PM | As far as I know (Score:2)
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As far as I know, the over/unders haven't been set yet.

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October 1st, 2012 at 4:46 PM | MSU (Score:2)
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might find running the football against the hoosiers to be easier than running against the buckeyes.

Taking it one week at a time

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October 1st, 2012 at 4:49 PM | My picks (Score:3 Normal)
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Michigan State v. Indiana (+16) - Take Indiana.  I'm not convinced MSU should be +16 on anyone right now

Illinois v. Wisconsin (-14) - Wisky should roll them

Nebraska v. Ohio (-4) - Take Ohio.  Nebraska can't perform up to par away from Lincoln, and will probably get steam-rolled

Northwestern v. Penn State (-3.5) - I'd take Penn State.  Northwestern's opponents are something like 1-14, collectively.  Their success is deceiving.

Michigan v. Purdue (+3) - I gotta go with the homer pick and take Michigan.  We win by 14.

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October 1st, 2012 at 6:05 PM | Northwestern's opponents are (Score:3 Normal)
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Northwestern's opponents are 5-11 excluding FCS South Dakota, with 4 of those losses being games against Northwestern. Not saying their success isn't deceiving, but they are worthy of being ranked at this point with an undefeated record. Penn State on the other hand has wins over Navy, Temple, and Illinois, all of which are damn awful.

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October 1st, 2012 at 10:18 PM | This^^ is why I'm picking NW. (Score:2)
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This^^ is why I'm picking NW.  They may not be world beaters, but so far I expect them to beat PSU straight up.

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October 1st, 2012 at 4:50 PM | This Purdue matchup really (Score:1)
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This Purdue matchup really has me uneasy. Its got trap game written all over it.  

It's been a lot. Its been a roller coaster that for some reason seemed like it would never get good. But you know what? We kept fighting. It's like that old saying goes, "Those Who Stay Will Be Champions." -David Molk

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October 1st, 2012 at 4:52 PM | I'm thankful (Score:2)
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I'm thankful that we had a bye the week before. Hoke and Co. will have us prepared.

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October 1st, 2012 at 5:03 PM | I'm the exact opposite, (Score:2)
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I'm the exact opposite, because A, it's an after bye week game and we have Illinois the next week. Usually trap games are mediocre opponents sandwiched between two tough opponents or right after a tough game (see Air Force)

And B, Purdue gave up 41 points and 534 yards of offense to Marshall. While we may still have some issues on Offense, I think we should be able to move the ball very well against them. And in a matchup of which defense is better, I'll take ours

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October 1st, 2012 at 5:56 PM | Statistically, teams (Score:1)
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Statistically, teams (nationally) perform worse after a bye week. Not sure how or why. How does Michigan usually do after their bye week? come out rusty? firing on all cylinders? I know MSU plays pretty well after their bye week.

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October 1st, 2012 at 6:45 PM | Sadly... (Score:1 Normal)
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I could only find half a good reply to your question. First, Dantonio is 4-4 in career post-bye week wins. He's 2-1 as MSU's head coach, but it should be noted that one of those wins was 2010 Purdue, which went 4-8 (2-6), and the game was close (35-31 in EL). Other than that, he got beaten pretty soundly by PSU in 2008 and won the Paul Bunyon last year, obviously.

I don't have any stats on Hoke, as the diary Hart20 wrote (that's where these numbers are from) was catered to the MSU game last year when you were coming off a bye and we weren't. I will say that I think more than normal bye week stuff will have to go wrong for M to be in serious danger of losing, but I'm basing that mostly off the Purdue game last year.

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October 1st, 2012 at 9:03 PM | I think Purdue is vastly (Score:1)
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I think Purdue is vastly improved from last year, and are IMO the favorites for the leaders division, which is how i felt before the season started as well

At Ball State, i could only find his last two seasons, and he was 2-0 with wins vs Northern Illinois and Toledo

Hoke ,at SDSU, was 0-2 after Bye weeks, with losses @BYU and at home to BYU. 

 

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October 1st, 2012 at 10:27 PM | I think they'll be in Indianapolis... (Score:1 Normal)
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but I think Ohio beats them head to head and in conference record, and Wisconsin might be 50/50 to do the same. I've seen enough to tell that they're improved, but last year was just brutal in Ann Arbor. I'm also not sold on their resume, which consists of beating up on Eastern Kentucky and EMU, losing a close one to ND (while giving up double the points M did with -3 TOM, ND was -1 against Purdue) and giving up 41 to Marshall. I don't feel like im being homerish in saying that M should do just fine with their defense, and I don't know if their offense could go shot-for-shot, but I'd guess no.

Also, on Hoke/Dantonio bye week stuff, there was some good discussion in that diary about using the spread instead of straight up results. At BSU, SDSU, Cincinnati and the first couple years in EL, there is a good chance those teams were underdogs coming off the bye week. It doesn't seem like anyone took the time to go back and look at that, but it's an interesting point anyway.

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October 1st, 2012 at 4:54 PM | I typically don't bet on (Score:1)
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I typically don't bet on Michigan, but that -3 does look pretty good.

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October 1st, 2012 at 5:02 PM | I'm not sold on Purdue's (Score:2)
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I'm not sold on Purdue's defense.

Eastern Michigan did this rushing the ball against Purdue -

38 Carries, 169 Yards, 4.4 AVG

By comparison, here's the team rushing line from EMU's game versus Michigan State -

29 Carries, 46 Yards, 1.6 AVG

I think the Purdue defensive hype came from the Notre Dame game when everyone was looking.  I still think Notre Dame's offense is that bad
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October 1st, 2012 at 8:06 PM | ND hangover from Ireland (Score:3 Normal)
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I'm not sold on Purdue either. I think they got ND at a good time: just getting back from Ireland (major jet lag) and right before MSU and Michigan. I don't for a minute think that ND is a great team - they overlooked Purdue and it almost cost them a game.

I peg this game as a Michigan statement game. The offense starts clicking - Fitz, Denard and the WR's finally have a complete game. Michigan by two scores.

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October 1st, 2012 at 5:00 PM | My picks (Score:1)
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MSU over Indy but I think Indy makes it close in the 1st half but State pulls away.

Illinois gets killed by Wisconsin.

I actually have Penn State beating NW. After Indiana's display offensively against NW this past weekend especially almost coming back and beating them I say McGloin and PSU pull the upset and win by two TDs.

Nebraska beats OSU in a close one in Cbus but I see Martinez lighting up OSU's secondary in the 2nd half.

Michigan gets its first conference road win on the road vs Purdue. Purdue except for ND has played nobody strong and our defense will pressure TerBush all game long. Purdue will prove their worth in Leaders this Saturday. And they will fail.

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October 1st, 2012 at 5:10 PM | I'm really curious about this (Score:3 Normal)
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I'm really curious about this Purdue defense.  On the one hand, they shut down Notre Dame's offense.  On the other hand, so has everyone else but Navy.

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October 1st, 2012 at 5:14 PM | And then gave up over 500 (Score:1)
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And then gave up over 500 yards and 40 pts to Marshall. I'm interested to see which D shows up as well.

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October 1st, 2012 at 5:46 PM | My Picks (Score:2)
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MSU vs. Indiana - I look at Indiana's 510 yards of total offense per game compared to who they have played to date and think that State's defense, running on all cyclinders, could make a considerable dent in this average. The problem is that MSU's defense hasn't done this, and their offense gets bogged down if you can stop Bell. I would take Indiana here. 

Illinois vs. Wisconsin - that HB pass was just about the only thing that worked for Illinois on Saturday. It certainly wasn't Scheelhaase. Wisconsin, and by a comfortable margin. 

Nebraska vs. Ohio - I would take Ohio here, but by not much over this margina, and primarily because I think Braxton  Miller can carry them enough to cover because the Nebraska defense seems to give up yardage in chunks, but then so do the Buckeyes and that awful run defense. The Buckeyes may not have Jordan Hall though, which probably would make me more comfortable picking them. 

Northwestern vs. Penn State - I must say that I was pleasantly surprised by how things seem to be coming together this year with talent that stayed at  Penn State, at least inasmuch as possible considering the situation. The defense looks good, and it seems like O'Brien has installed a reasonably effective budget version of the New England offense. I would take Penn State.

Michigan vs. Purdue - Michigan, of course, and I am not sold on Purdue as a complete team, although they seem better than most years recently. We win by a couple scores, I think. 

 

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October 1st, 2012 at 6:05 PM | I just hope OSU wins again, (Score:2)
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I just hope OSU wins again, we need them to take out our opponents in our division.  WIsconsin beating Nebraska would have been nice but, alas, it wasn't so.  OSU can make up for that. 

And Goddammit I hope we beat Purdue by more than 3 points.

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October 1st, 2012 at 7:01 PM | As long as Borges isn't too (Score:1)
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As long as Borges isn't too predictable and doesn't insist we run right at Kewann Short the entire game we should be able to beat a 3 point spread. Like last week against ND beating them through the air is the key. Unlike last week I hope we actually try and test their DBs this time. Our defense alone should be enough to beat the spread as it's one of the best Purdue faces this year.

Wisconsin should roll over Illinois and easily beat the spread. Maybe even double it. They just lost a heartbreaker.

Nebraska I think might be able to upset Ohio. Not sure how I feel about this. Ohio hasn't shown itself to be any kind of offensive threat this year, and they're missing a couple RBs now, and has been extremely one dimensional. They're also used to facing an offense like Ohios, even though their defense has been suspect. I like Nebraskas offense as the difference maker in that game. Too many good running backs, plus Martinez.

I'm hoping Northwestern can upset Penn State on the road. PSU stomped Illinois on the road, but everybody else is doing that lately. Northwesterns versatile offense that just set a school record against Indiana (I know) might be the difference. Like most of the Wildcats games, I expect them to go up in the first half, squander a big lead, then Penn States kicker comes out and misses a game winner or 2, or 5.

Don't know why Sparty has such a big spread against Indiana. Both teams are bad. Sparty has a semblence of decent defense, and Indiana has a semblence of decent offense. They tagged Northwestern for more than Vandy and BC combined. On the road I'd expect Staee to continue to struggle, and the game to be closer than 16.

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October 1st, 2012 at 7:43 PM | I dislike Sparty as much as (Score:2 Normal)
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I dislike Sparty as much as the next guy, but is it really the consensus view that INDIANA of all teams is going to give State a game?

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October 1st, 2012 at 7:45 PM | I doubt it happens ... (Score:1)
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but Sparty losing to IU would be soooooo FUNNY!

Hope to see a bunch of Maize and Blue in West Lafayette this Saturday!

Go Blue!

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October 1st, 2012 at 7:56 PM | Most love ever shown for Martinez on this board (Score:3 Normal)
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all on just one thread.

I think most Nebraska fans are figuring on a loss. Even Pelini's best D's have had trouble with dual threat qb's.

Agree that if Nebraska's offense plays up to their potential all 4 quarters, they can win. A high scoring game seems more likely than a defensive battle.

 

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October 1st, 2012 at 8:29 PM | Want Ohio to beat Nebraska (Score:0 Overrated)
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Only so we can play and beat them twice. Double dip on Urban tears. I'd literally pay to hear what he has to say by losing to us twice in one season.

"We want the Big 10 championship. And we’re going to win it as a TEAM"

 

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October 1st, 2012 at 8:40 PM | We can't play them twice. (Score:1 Normal)
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Ohio is on a postseason ban for 2012.

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October 1st, 2012 at 9:11 PM | Damn (Score:1)
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You sir are right....it's been a long day.

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October 2nd, 2012 at 12:28 PM | UM to cover, easy (Score:1)
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we can and will scheme around their DL

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October 2nd, 2012 at 1:01 PM | Like we all know (Score:1)
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if we do what we do best, run Denard and Fitz, and we should cover that spread easily.   

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October 2nd, 2012 at 4:01 PM | Over/Unders for said games (Score:3 Normal)
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Over/Unders for said games and my predictions:

MSU/IU 47.5 (under)

Ill/UW 47.0 (over)

Neb/OSU 58.0 (over)

NW/PSU 49.0 (under)

UM/Pur 57.5 (under)

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