Big Ten vs SEC: Sports Revenue

Submitted by BrownJuggernaut on

This came on my Twitter feed from Forbes comparing the B1G Ten and SEC's sports revenues:

http://blogs.forbes.com/sportsmoney/2011/01/30/how-the-big-ten-stacks-up-against-the-sec-in-sports-revenues/

A lot of interesting topics that can arise from this article but this stood out to me:

A look at Ohio State’s expenses should explain why they’re perennial contenders for BCS bowls.  They are spending almost $10 million more than the next biggest spender in the Big Ten (Wisconsin).  They’re also spending almost double what their rival, Michigan, is spending, which could perhaps explain the results on the field.

WolvinLA2

January 31st, 2011 at 12:29 PM ^

Well, that's an interesting article, but it doesn't sound like it's well researched, and clearly biased.  The author says so herself.

The fact that she includes football TV revenue for the SEC but not BTN revenue for the Big Ten throws those numbers off A LOT.  The Big Ten schools rake it in from the Big Ten Network, so ommitting that, intentionally or not, makes most of the article pretty worthless.

Also, I find it bothersome that it focuses so much on football.  Why?  Because the SEC fan author knows that her conference is just about worthless in basketball (UK excepted) and the Big Ten is a MBB power.  I understand not mentioning hockey for schools like Mich, MSU, Minn, Wisky or OSU, but basketball brings in a lot of revenue for many of the Big Ten schools.

Salinger

January 31st, 2011 at 12:33 PM ^

but to say that basketball brings in a lot of revenue is, I think, not all too accurate.  Football crushes all in terms of revenue.  I don't have the numbers in front of me, but I've heard that at most schools Football is what pays for "all" other sports, other than basketball which does bring in a bit of revenue.  

 

The reason it's hard for their revenue to be high is 1) the crowds that attend games are so much smaller and 2) they have so many more games and traveling is expensive.

WolvinLA2

January 31st, 2011 at 12:50 PM ^

Yeah, basketball is not nearly as big as football, but it still makes money.  And if the Big Ten is breaking even in basketball, the SEC is losing money.  Last year (if you include Nebraska to make the numbers even) the Big Ten had 100,000 more home fans than the SEC.  That's not a huge number, but it's significant.  Also, the Big Ten has more high profile teams with more high profile match-ups, so we get more nationally televised games.  Also, the BTN.  Big Ten Basketball makes way more than SEC basketball.  All those account for a few extra million in revenue for the conference.  Not ground-breaking, but enough that it should be noted.

Let's not forget that a big money maker for the SEC is the SEC champ game.  Our 2010 numbers don't have that, but our 2011 numbers will.  That will be about an extra million per school, plus adding Nebraska will bring up our averages by a lot since they are a big money maker.

But really, ommitting the BTN is the big faux pas here, not basketball.  Ommitting basketball just makes it even more biased.

moredamnsound

January 31st, 2011 at 1:24 PM ^

Basketball can bring in a lot of revenue to some schools. As a matter of fact, there are schools whose main profits come from basketball. I'm not sure if any are in the Big Ten or SEC, but to group all schools into one category is also a little inaccurate.

jmblue

January 31st, 2011 at 1:36 PM ^

Indiana makes a lot of money off basketball.  Assembly Hall's capacity is something like 17,000, and tickets are expensive.  Also, I believe OSU and Wisconsin's arenas contain luxury boxes, which probably generate significant coin.

It's not hard to make money off men's basketball.  There aren't that many scholarships to pay for (13 max), and equipment costs are practically nonexistent - there are no helmets or pads to pay for.  Coaches' salaries and travel can be expensive, but TV and arena revenue can easily offset that.  You never hear about any schools dropping basketball for financial reasons.

Papochronopolis

January 31st, 2011 at 12:35 PM ^

Basketball generally brakes even when it comes to revenue.  The payoff for home games barely covers the team's expenses. 

Football on the other hand banks 5+ million per home game.  The revenue is significantly higher for football and that money is used to pay for 24 or so other sport that lose money.

MI Expat NY

January 31st, 2011 at 12:49 PM ^

What about TV money?  ESPN and CBS(? I know games are on CBS occasionally, I'm assuming there's a contract for these games) are paying the Big Ten a nice chunk of change to televise games.  Obviously not nearly as much as football, but it's a decent amount of money.  Also, basketball is huge for programming on BTN.  

I'd imagine, taken as a whole, the basketball program earns money, and that can only increase with an improved team/arena.

jmblue

January 31st, 2011 at 1:47 PM ^

It definitely makes money.  Nowhere near as much as football, but it certainly pitches in.  We're averaging around 10,229 fans per game at Crisler this year, which is worse than usual, and reflects the fact that most of our home games have been out of conference (Big Ten games always draw more fans).  By season's end we'll probably average around 11,000 per game.  If the average fan pays $15 for a ticket and say, $3 for concessions, we're taking in $198,000 per home game.  Multiply that times 19 home games and you get $3.76 million, just in arena revenue.  Factor in TV and radio money and that figure is more than doubled (not only is the BTN a cash cow, but our ESPN/CBS deals are pretty substantial)- plus whatever we get from merchandising royalties.  Subtract tution for 13 athletes, coaches' salaries and travel expenses, and we're probably clearing seven figures in profit.       

MI Expat NY

January 31st, 2011 at 12:39 PM ^

Her footnote essentially negates the whole point of her article.  

"An official within an SEC athletic department provided me with the following qualifications to the data: ”For instance, some institutions may report debt service associated with their football stadium as direct football expenses, while others may show debt service as Other, Non-sport specific.  The same goes for game day security, parking, cleanup, etc. which some may show as direct football expenses, while others may show as facilities costs – not directly attributed to football.  I do believe total revenue and expense numbers are comparable, but when you break down the numbers into categories there is a lot of leeway for variances between institutions.”"

Essentially, her argument is that the SEC out earns the Big 10 in football, but acknowledges the Big 10's supremacy in total sports revenues.  Then she notes that really only total revenues and expenses are comparable, i.e., the category where the Big 10 blows away the SEC.  

skwasha

January 31st, 2011 at 2:17 PM ^

While I agree the report is somewhat biased. I believe her numbers are correct. She does not omit BTN $ completely. It's simply that it's ONLY counted in the aggregate numbers. So, football specific revenue (and comparisons) does not reflect BTN $, but on the whole it's accounted for.

Another factor that will alter these numbers moving forward is the rapid growth in BTN revenue. While the payout to the Big Ten schools was $72M for 2009, the networks profitability doubled the following and should see similar growth this year. That's going to add up to a LOT more $ in the AD's hands.

WirlingDirvish

January 31st, 2011 at 12:34 PM ^

I dont see how this could be accurate. Michigan has recently spent obscene (justified and totally necessary, but obscene nonetheless) amounts upgrading their football facilities. This must have been operating expences and doesn't include capital expenses, not entirely realistic. Additionally, our revenue for 2009 was held back because we didn't sell all of the season tickets that we could have sold because of the renovations. I'll be interested to see where michigan rankes in 2-3 years in revenue, profit and expenses after all the upgrades fully take affect and Hoke gets his first big raise.

jmblue

January 31st, 2011 at 1:52 PM ^

If Big Ten teams had won the last five national championships, we'd be doing the exact same thing.  Don't kid yourself.  Heck, we try to trumpet our "academic superiority," knowing full well that we prostitute ourselves to let in athletes every bit as much as they do.  

Plus 1

January 31st, 2011 at 12:40 PM ^

Does the author include Nebraska in the current Big 10 figures? (Can't go to link, at work) If not, the data is a bit skewed as the SEC has 12 teams and Big 10.... 11 soon to be 12. Maybe a team like Nebraska could make the numbers more respectable for the Big 10?

Plus 1

January 31st, 2011 at 12:56 PM ^

Nice capitalization, looks like you might have to pull a Billy Madison and go back to kindergarten.

But in light of it being Monday... "Sounds like a very business minded enterprise."

That's what she said.

All outside links are blocked...  I believe I am in favor with the Michigan football gods. I can't complain.

Moleskyn

January 31st, 2011 at 12:50 PM ^

She noted that the numbers were from July 2009-June 2010, so only focuses on the 2009 football season. She also acknowledged the discrepancy between the number of schools in each conference.

I think it would be interesting to look at numbers from multiple years, to get a more complete picture, rather than just a little snapshot of one season.

Kramer

January 31st, 2011 at 12:40 PM ^

The biggest benefit of the recent stadium renovations was the addition of luxury boxes.  They are HUGE money makers and not having that revenue stream was a major determent to the athletic department when compared to other universities like OSU.  

These numbers are interesting, but will be drastically changed (on UofM's side) with the new additions.  The spending numbers are much more informative (for a discussion taking place in 2011) and I wonder why UofM is so far behind OSU and the other top tier Big 10 programs.

DrewandBlue

January 31st, 2011 at 12:45 PM ^

I would like to see student life time income ratio from the SEC : Big 10.  Because you spend more on a football program doesn't make you the most efficient program, a la osu.  

My point is, 1.  yes, they are a very good football conference right now, but they will fall in the cycle like every other conference does.  2.  what is the final product or result in life, relating to the student athletes and degrees?  Our stadium sets Guinness book records, while spending (based of her research) half of what the SEC spends!

We have a far superior product over-all, with spending less.  Hmmmmmm, who is the real winners here.  Oh, and by the way, we will be back on top soon!  Then what do you have going for you SEC?

jmblue

January 31st, 2011 at 2:02 PM ^

Here's the truth:

1.  Where you go to college has a very minor impact on your future career/earnings.  The distinction between flagship public universities (like say, Michigan vs. Alabama) is even smaller.  The best high school students in Alabama mostly attend UA, just as the best students in Michigan mostly attend U-M.  Ditto for Georgia, Florida, Mississippi, Louisiana and Arkansas.

2.  The SEC isn't on top because of some random  "cycle."  There are cultural and population factors that work in their favor.  High school football is enormously popular in the South, leading to much greater participation.  There is also a much larger African-American population in the South than anywhere else.  As the South's population grows proportionately faster than that of the country as a whole (and especially faster than the Midwest/Northeast), the SEC's recruiting advantage only grow stronger.

3.  Our athletic department is currently $170 million in debt, as a result of the stadium renovation.  If we're "spending less money," that's just a bunch of bookkeeping shenanigans.

The SEC is the best college football conference now, and probably will remain so in the future.  There may be the occasional season in which it isn't, but those will be fluke occurrences.  There's no point in denying this or denigrating them; it's just how it is.  If anything, it works to our advantage, because we are a rare Northern school with the national profile to survive in the 21st century - and our conference competition is weaker than SEC schools'.

justingoblue

January 31st, 2011 at 2:09 PM ^

Not all of the points are applicable, but this is a good reason that schools like Texas and USC are getting stronger (well, USC would be getting stronger) and Miami, FSU and a few others should get there. The population shift combined with the high school football in those states might be too much to overcome.

Another point revalent to the article but only somewhat to your post is the lack of professional teams in the area. Basically every Big Ten school (except now Nebraska and Iowa, and Illinois to some extent) have to deal with big time professional franchises in their backyards. This leads to less eyes on college football up here and translates to more down there.

DrewandBlue

January 31st, 2011 at 12:45 PM ^

I would like to see student life time income ratio from the SEC : Big 10.  Because you spend more on a football program doesn't make you the most efficient program, a la osu.  

My point is, 1.  yes, they are a very good football conference right now, but they will fall in the cycle like every other conference does.  2.  what is the final product or result in life, relating to the student athletes and degrees?  Our stadium sets Guinness book records, while spending (based of her research) half of what the SEC spends!

We have a far superior product over-all, with spending less.  Hmmmmmm, who is the real winners here.  Oh, and by the way, we will be back on top soon!  Then what do you have going for you SEC?

RockinLoud

January 31st, 2011 at 1:06 PM ^

As others have said the data is incomplete and thus lends itself to favoring the SEC.  The focus of this is on sports revenue, but even if we take all the data into consideration and the B10 comes out on top, I would ask: is it all about the money as to what makes you better?  What about comparing the character of the students between the two conferences, the achievements that help make the world a better place, and various things like that?  I wonder how the conferences would stack up in that regard.