Does anyone else think that in 2011 when we get Nebraska that the big ten will be competing to be at least in the top three conferences in NCAA football? With Ohio State, Penn State, and Iowa going 11-2 last year and Nebraska and Wisconsin having 10 wins, and by 2011 Michigan will be a 9-11 win team again.
Big Ten Top 3 Conference in 2011?
Compared to a neutered Big 12 and a slightly stronger Pac-12, I think we could be second only to the SEC.
I'm confused, were we not top 3 last year and probably this year too?
But you could argue that the big 12, pac 10, and SEC were all better than us last year, i personally dont think they all were but you could argue that, for this post im saying do you think we could be top 2 or 3 with NO arguments.
I'll start: Big10 had two BCS wins (one over Pac10 champ)
no the big ten in my oppinion is ten times better than pac 10, but people still make arguments because everyone gets too much hype from USC and oregon went 11-2 last year.
Big 12 : Texas 13-0 (played in BCS National Championship Game)
Oklahoma State 9-3
I wouldn't say ten times...but we're definitely better than the Pac 10. We get less credit because we keep missing the National Championship (or losing it...)
But special thanks to people giving me -1 votes, so i cant post anymore, even though i think most will agree, that the things im saying are relevent and have certain argument. Thanks though.
you can post, you just can't start new threads.
it's really not that big of a deal.
In fact, I think it's actually a good thing.
I would like to be able to post a forum topic. So i dont have to wait for someone to post the topic i want to post, and its not a big deal, i just want to start new threads when i want. The onyl real thing that bothers me is that people are giving me -1 votes on things that dont really deserve it.
Yeah, it happens a lot. You get used to it eventually, and then you just ignore it because, like, whatever man.
Post up a funny mspaint or something and points quickly become a nonissue.
I need to try that... later, when all the people negging me get off.
Don't tell me to get off. Sick-o
Or a photoshop. I jumped 2,000 points in 24 hours.
If you stop complaining you'll get points after posts and won't get negged. So...stop complaining about points?
First rule of MGoPoints!!!!
Hey idiot, the three of the four teams listed there lost their bowl games and the Big XII had KSU, Kansas, ISU, Baylor, Colorado and an underachieving Oklahoma as well.
just because your young shouldn't mean that you're stupid as well.
Well, personally, by 2011 there will be only one super mega conference anyway.
Seriously though, it's hard to not have arguments on any point in college football (or sports for that matter.)
I think the Big Ten is and will remain in the top 3. (Maybe Top 2.)
by the time michigan gets good enough to be BCS champs there will be one conference anyway, so all this really doesnt matter.
Assuming no more teams switching conferences, I defintiely think so. We got a huge boost from bowl games last year, as much as I hated OSU winning a Rose Bowl. Especially the Penn State game, which shows we can compete with top SEC teams.
where i can post stuff, and things i post are not at all stupid or irrelevent, but people still give me -1 votes so im now down to 19.
Even though the big ten has better records and better bowl wins than most (Pac 10, Big 12) people will say because the beatings OSU took, and with Michigan down, that Big 10 is not what it used to be, even though by looking at the numbers, we are better.
project with much more than the vaguest speculation, given we don't know what players may get hurt, what underclassmen go to NFL early after 2010, what coaching changes may take place, etc.
This is a better question for next spring, but I think it's safe to assume Nebraska strengthens the B10 relative to other conferences, and the B12 gets weaker with the loss of NU and CU (even though CU's been down). Based on coaches and recruiting, I don't see how anyone knocks the SEC off the block for quite a while. Rare will be the year that it's not the best conference top to bottom. The PAC10 is pretty balanced this year, save for WSU, but USC will start to feel the effects of lost scholarships beginning in 2011 (and more so in the 2-3 years beyond that) and will clearly be challenged out west. Adding Utah and CU I think strengthens that conference long term.
ACC coastal is particuarly tough this year (and ACC in general may be top 3 this year) but I'm not sure how they project in 2011. B12 is going to have to rely on teams like TT, KSU, Mizzou etc. to be good to even be in the conversation (as alignment stands beginning in 2011). Tough row to hoe long term.
the B10 should be #1 or #2, if we aren't already. Nebraska and (hopefully) a good Michigan team will only strengthen the conference.
The premise of this thread is the type of stupid crap that they talk about on College Football Live.
Seems to be a lot of posts like this lately. Offseason please end!!!
I am super excited about this years wolverines.
This year look sto be a promising year, with Forcier having more experience, Denard getting more playing time, a strong D-line and an EPIC recieving core Michigan is very likely to go to a Bowl and maybe even a halfway decent bowl this year.
I think that the Big Ten is easily top 2 this year. Ohio State has the best combination of 2009 success+returning starters in the country. Iowa has a lot of guys returning from a team that won a BCS game. Wisconsin, Michigan, and Michigan State were all very young last year.
I think that as of now Big Ten is easily in top 2 also. Big Ten has better records (eyeballing it, I dont know the true win %) than Pac12Ten and Big10Twelve.
The Addition of Nebraska will take care of one of the main problems when comparing the Big Ten to the SEC: depth. That will help even up the bowl matchups, moving teams like Wiscy and Iowa "down" a notch and making the #3 and lower slots stronger. I see the Big Ten doing a lot better in bowls now with the addition of one great team.
PSU had a few weak years and Michigan has had two; this has hurt the Big Ten the last few years. It has forced their traditionally middle of the pack teams have to compete against traditionally strong SEC teams. By 2011, the Big Ten should be better with Michigan "back" and the addition of Nebraska, especially if Iowa and Wiscy can continue their strong play and PSU can develop a good enough QB to stay elite.
Consequently, the Big Ten could very well (gasp!) suprass the SEC as the best conference in college football in 2011. Here's how I see it looking:
SEC top rung: AL, FL, LSU, UGA. Big Ten top rung: UM, OSU, Neb, PSU.
SEC upper middle: Aub, Ark. Big Ten upper middle: Wiscy, Iowa,
SEC lower bowl eligible: TN, Miss, KY. Big Ten lower bowl eligible: Purdue, MSU, NW.
Due to the unpredictable nature of football, actual results will fluctuate wildly, but my main point is that the addition of Nebraska and sustained excellence from PSU and UM are enough to at least pull the Big Ten equal with the SEC. Also, RR's influence on schemes and recruiting especially on the offensive side of the ball, could very well tip the scales back in the Big Ten's favor.
Nebraska will take care of the depth, and RR is already influencing the Big Ten to spread the field with faster players. When Michigan starts to actually do damage with its remade team, it will influence other teams in the Big Ten. When UM and OSU were the "Big Two," and succeeded with "three yards and a cloud of dust," other Big Ten teams tried to make themselves in the image of those two teams becuase they were the most successful.
When RR succeeds by running the spread option with speedy players in Ann Arbor, the rest of the league will continue the trend of moving toward that kind of attack. The SEC had better enjoy being number one while they can, because the Big Ten is on their trail and catching up every minute.
Besides, if Michigan and PSU both find a way to play elite-level football or very close to it, while Wiscy and Iowa sustain their programs at their current level, the Big Ten won't be very far behind the SEC this year, even without Nebraska.
Even without Nebraska, the Big Ten was already among the top 3 football conferences. As I recall offhand, the Big Ten has garnered an at-large BCS slot (on top of its guaranteed slot) almost every year. I'm working from memory, but I believe the SEC and the Big XII are the only others that have regularly done that. With the Big XII now losing one of its perennial powers, the SEC and the Big Ten will be the top conferences in most years.
Wow, I read the title of this thread and I thought, wow, this sounds like a stupid thread. And then I read it, and it was worse than I had expected.
from this morning's soccer US soccer match?
quite a few less-than-intelligent posts today.