This was posted on Rivals but I figure it's worth a repost/discussion here.
I'm certainly not rooting for guys to get suspended, but it's nice to see that the Mouton situation was not an isolated incident. I'd rather let teams police themselves in this regard, but if the Big Ten is indeed going to step in to this extent, it's good to see consistency.
interesting...after the
Jim made the bed and now has
Jim made the bed and now has to sleep in it. I bet they move away from this next year.
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Why would they move away from
Why would they move away from suspending players for cheap shots? They are obviously making a point of it and there is no reason not to continue past this year.
I think that Jim didn't
I think that Jim didn't really consider the term implications of suspending Mouton and catered to Charlie and the mass media. However, because of Richrods statements and the resulting suspension I think the coaches will be quicker to sit guys down for a week and eventually the commish won't have this on his plate. Or maybe the coaches won't suspend anyone anymore for on the field behavior and leave it up to the commish. I guess I have no idea how this will impact anything. But, if the Big10 does stay involved I would guess that the rest of college football will eventually follow suit.
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This is true.
I agree.
They should clarify the rule,
and have guidelines if it takes players out of future games. Also, they need to at least alert the coaches that the player is under review of being suspended the Monday after the game, so the coach and team can prepare for the next game.
This should be an NCAA issue, not a conference one, because we don't know how other conferences are enforcing these rules.
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I agree that some
I agree that some rules/guidelines need to be set. The NCAA could come up with some set of guidlines and the conferences could enforce them if the specific team doesn't follow through first.
And this also is true.
And I agree as well.
It does seem that:
a) Delany reacted hastily to pressure from Charlie Weis, who happens to be a head coach at some out-of-conference school that happens to play several Big Ten Conference teams.
b) RR laid it down; you gonna do this to Mouton? OK, you (and/or Weis) just set the Delany policy for the Big Ten, because we're gonna be watching every game film from every week, just to see if non-Weis games get treated the same.
c) And yeah, schools are now going to abdicate some of their disciplinary authority to the Conference in these situations. The coaches and AD's will say; let's let the Confernce decide. If they suspend our guy, well, we move on. If not, they've given us sanction.
d) It is shitty precedent, and probably bad policy. But what else would you expect from Charlie Weis, Notre Dame & co.? Thank you very little.
This was exactly what I wanted to say
The issue isn't that they are suspending players, the issue is in deciding a line between 'suspension' and 'just football'. The commish is in over his head on this one, though we won't see it until Big Ten play. There will be suspensions galore following most rivalry games if this is kept up, there are always tiny cheap shots everywhere. It's football, and as long as they define a line between potentially harmful and not so much, there shouldn't be problems. If they leave it open to interpretation, they could wind up with a pandemic of suspensions on their hands. Or of equal punishment complaints.
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Maybe the Big Ten is stepping
Maybe the Big Ten is stepping up. They do have rules in place for ejections. Going forward its perfectly fine to hand out a 1 game suspension for punches, leg twists, and other cheap shots. Personally I would really like it. As long as its the same across the board.
The thing about Mouton was there was the precedent was do to nothing. Obviously what happened to Mouton was not what took place in the past. But its perfectly fine to receive a 1 game suspension, if the same thing happens to other Big Ten schools for the rest of the season.
Can't wait....
Until Pryor or another star (no UM please!) does something questionable in a game and a team has to wait until Wed./Thur. to find out if they have him for Saturday.
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this is awesome. We can bet
this is awesome. We can bet on this. It'll be sort of like a reverse form of Fantasy Football.
"Which Big Ten player will be suspended this week?"
Each week, you have until 12:00 EST noon Monday to view the weekend's action, and get your pick in for Most Likely to be Suspended for a Game. So, hit up those blogs and the youtubes! Find that incidental contact the losing team is bitching about! You could be next week's big winner.
The aggravating part is that
The aggravating part is that this all stems from Charlie the Hutt bitching the entire week after the game. Delany has actually allowed Notre Dame's incompetent head coach to influence Big 10 policy in this area. Unbelievable.
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And Reckman gets suspended for the Purdue/ND game.
Conspiracy theory ignition in 3 2 1...
Why did they announce this suspension on Wednesday when they waited until Friday to announce Mouton's?
No.
Mouton was the first. You would assume as more comes up they'll be more efficient in dealing with it.
You might be right
But if that is the case, doesn't it imply that there was not a framework in place to handle these incidents? Doesn't it speak poorly of the Big Ten to not have anticipated this situation and to have to come up with something on the fly to deal with it?
Otherwise, if this had been in place from day one, there shouldn't be any inefficiency which would cause the suspensions to be announced at different times.
Full circle
Charlie is getting the payoff from his actions. Thanks [presumably] in part to his complaining about the Mouton incident, the B11 took action on Reckman this week, suspending him for a game against... Notre Dame.
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People - take the tinfoil
People - take the tinfoil hats off. Two players punched opposing players, and they were both suspended. Period. It's consistent, and it's fine. The Big 10 has decided that they're going to have a more stringent punishment of cheap shots. Does anyone seriously have a problem with this?
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No problem with punishment
No problem with punishment per se. The problem (as you know), is that if Mouton had been called for it during the game, his punishment would at the most have been to sit one half. The timing was pretty poor as well.
I'm no conspiracy theorist, I just thought it was a bit extreme.
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Actually yes, but for a different reason than you may think
I am fine with the concept of the conference policing poor behavior since they have a conference reputation to uphold.
My issue is that this process seems a bit loosely defined. I would like to better understand the named enforcement committee for this, rules regarding suspension length, specific acts that require suspension, timelines for informing the teams, can a player be suspended for a bowl game for a year end punch, etc. You can't randomly half-ass this.
I have no problem with the
I have no problem with the policy. What I have a problem with is writing the policy on the fly in the middle of the season because Charlie is running his mouth. We are already seeing inconsistencies in the timing of the suspensions that could create a competitive advantage or disadvantage. Is seems really sloppy and under thought to be a "policy".
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What evidence do you have
What evidence do you have that this policy was written on the fly, in the middle of the season, because Charlie is running his mouth?
Did Charlie say a word about the Purdue player? Did someone punch someone in the face in the first week and not get suspended? It seems that certain on-field behavior now warrants a 1-game suspension, previously it did not. The first incident of this behavior happened to be Jonas Mouton.
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Good Thinking
So you're just going to ignore the public bitching by Charlie Weis about that play, subsequent media shit-flinging about it, and Weis explicitly saying he was going to write complaints to the Big Ten about all the calls or no-calls he thought were unfair. No evidence there. Especially considering that the conference never stepped in and suspended a football player in this fashion before. There's literally no room for argument at all, that the aforementioned goings-on influenced the Big Ten's decision.
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So you think that the Big 10
So you think that the Big 10 has instituted a rule that they are going to enforce on the entire conference for the entire season because Charlie Weis complained? Color me skeptical.
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If it ended with Weis, then I
If it ended with Weis, then I imagine the story would turn out differently. But the media caught on to the issue and blew it up; in light of the previous events re: Oregon & BSU, Delany's hand was forced to do something or risk bad publicity for the conference.
Is this a policy written in stone? No. But it is a de facto policy that must be consistently enforced if the conference is to avoid being accused of favoritism.
That would be a pretty naiive
That's a pretty naiive interpretation given the sequence of events.
Galileo was also chastised.
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This was a test… This was only a test.
all the dude wanted was his rug back...
It seems silly that shots
It seems silly that shots like the one the Purdue player took, if flagged by the refs would probably warrant only an unsportsmanlike conduct, but because it was missed results in a game suspension.
Galileo was also chastised.
The Purdue player was flagged
The Purdue player was flagged for his hit, FWIW. It just happened when the clock read 0:00 so the penalty carried no weight.
Fair correction. I still
Fair correction. I still doubt that this would have even been reviewed by the league office if the penalty had affected the game.
Galileo was also chastised.
But, I thought suspensions
But, I thought suspensions were not announced until Thursday afternoon.
It's a sliding scale. If
It's a sliding scale. If you're playing Eastern Michigan, you find out Thursday afternoon. If you're playing Notre Dame, you find out Wednesday afternoon. If you're playing the #1 team in the nation, you get to hear about it Tuesday morning, and if you're playing the University of Chicago they tell you two minutes before kickoff.
Video of the heinous act?
Any one seen a video on internet of this most recent unsportsman like act.
I THINK THIS IS SUCH A SLIPPERY SLOPE.
Blount clearly was trying to punch an opposing player.
Moose seend to mean it, but it was in the heat of battle and could have been a rip or swim or punch to the nose.
What happens when a player leads with the elbow rather than the fist? I saw a play this weekend where a blitzing DE fell on the opposing quarterback with some force and it seemed it was elbow first (a la the peoples elbow). Does this count?
This who suspension thing is getting way out of control, particularly with regard to this CONTACT SPORT that is played by hormone enriched and massive young men who were recruited for their strength, ability to hit and fight.
Is this going to continue all season?
What is offensive conduct?
Isnt this what these players signed up for? and if there good enough at it wont they be payed millions just to hurt opposing players for the rest of their life?
Come on, a post game punch is one thing, a post-play shove to the face is another, and a punch or shove during the play is just part of the game!!!!!!!!
This is why RichRod is
This is why RichRod is watching the rest of league. Was what Mouton did wrong? Yes. Was it worth a game suspension? Probably not. When Jim stepped in I just don't think he truly understood the door he opened. You can bet the Purdue coach in now going to keep a look out on the rest of the league. I can't wait until another ND player does something stupid and Charlie does nothing and makes Jim look like an idiot. Can RichRod petition the NCAA to bring down suspensions when Charlie drops the ball?
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Delany wouldn't look like an idiot
Every time a Notre Dame player engages is conduct similar to Mouton's, Weis will have to suspend his players on his own or he'll come off as a classless whiner.
On the other hand, I'm willing to bet that ND would like that. It would almost be like having Urban Meyer as their coach.
or he'll come off as a
or he'll come off as a classless whiner
He’s been there, done that, still has a job.
all the dude wanted was his rug back...
The Purdue WWE elbow drop after the play
was 100x more clear as a violation than Mouton's phantom punch, but the suspension news should be released on Thur after practice so they can't prepare with the fill-in. It would be great if karma punches Charlie in the multiple chins with a L at Purdue....
Horrible
Football is becoming a pussy sport. Pretty soon you are gonna see players flopping all over the field after the play like melodramatic soccer players.
Moreover, the refs/league often slide down the slippery slope. Look at the NBA. Things have regressed so badly that Tim Duncan was called for a technical foul merely for LOOKING at Joey Crawford the wrong way. And there are so many ticky-tack fouls called that players are visibly groaning and pouting over each one. Frankly, it's sickening (even though, despite all this, I still love basketball).
One of the refreshing things about football is that it's not a pussy sport. Let's keep it that way.
The NFL is heading that
The NFL is heading that direction with some of the hideous roughing the passer penalties they've been handing out.
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B10 commish Delany jab at RR?
“We appreciate Purdue’s and head coach Danny Hope’s attention to this issue and feel a one-game suspension is appropriate”
RR obviously ignored or refused to see the violation re: Mouton.
every game
i'm sure if you break down tape of just about every college or pro game you'll see something deserving of a one game suspension. do we really need to do that now??
No but Jim does.
No but Jim does.
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The punishment for a punch of
The punishment for a punch of a cheap shot should rest with the team. If something flagrant happens and it goes unpunished, then the B10 or NCAA needs to step in, and it should be very infrequently.
Just because you think someone got away unpunished doesn't mean it's true. Make the kid run extra laps, do stairs, extra reps in the weight room, etc. No reason to publically admonish a kid to the media for a youthful mistake.
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Can't do that.
ZOMG extra practice time!!!11!1!!!
Actually, yeah, I do feel that unless a player tries to, say, spear another player with his helmet or do something with actual intent to injure (see the ND game, ND vs Tate), the B10 should not get involved.
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I have no problem with the
I have no problem with the conference taking control of punishment for on-field altercations. Relying on the coaches to do it is a little silly. Can you imagine a pro sports league allowing each team to set its own guidelines in case of fighting? My only complaint is that the conference should lay down its punishment on Monday.
interesting...after the Blount Oregon incident they seem to be taking this more seriously... at least for the time being
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