BlowGoo

December 22nd, 2016 at 5:33 PM ^

Yeah, the author lost me when he wrote that the referee grabbing ass was simply his way of expressing approval at the OSU player not striking back from a cheap shot. That comment was so absurd for so many reasons, among them, in an article evaluating referee performance, why was there no flag against the Michigan player if the lack of buckeye response was so upstanding to warrant a butt slap.

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BlowGoo

December 22nd, 2016 at 5:33 PM ^

Yeah, the author lost me when he wrote that the referee grabbing ass was simply his way of expressing approval at the OSU player not striking back from a cheap shot. That comment was so absurd for so many reasons, among them, in an article evaluating referee performance, why was there no flag against the Michigan player if the lack of buckeye response was so upstanding to warrant a butt slap.

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charblue.

December 22nd, 2016 at 6:06 PM ^

official grabbing Weber's ass after trying to high-five him, didn't talk to his officiating partner, the umpire, who later missed Weber tatooing Brandon Watson while watching the finality of Jabrill Pepper's interception. Oh, that guy got graded down for not calling an obvious penalty as he ran to spot the ball, amazing. The amazing part is that the league acknowledged this.

Officials are counseled in every sport, regardless of level of competition, to never put their hand on a player or coach without invitation or shared acknowledgement. In every sport, when a player or coach does the same to an official, it's a foul or punished violation and sometimes a fine and/or ejection.

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UMAmaizinBlue

December 22nd, 2016 at 3:23 PM ^

Yea, except you don't. Because you're protected by the B10 with still no accountability, and the freedom to actually ignore something until you feel like the pain from the event has subsided enough for you to then make a half-assed attempt at "clarifying" things. Fuck off.

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Ihatebux

December 22nd, 2016 at 3:25 PM ^

The independant reviewer only looks at "calls" not "no-calls".   The lack of PI and holding by OSU was never reviewed.   

I really don't want to hear how tough a refs job is.  If they don't want to or can't do a good job, get them the heck out and find someone that can.  

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mGrowOld

December 22nd, 2016 at 3:32 PM ^

Easier said than done my friend.  Do you have any idea just how tough it is to find work when you're 65 years old and your biggest claim to fame is being an NCAA official and the President of your local Ohio State Boosters club?

Dont think you'll see them quitting anytime soon.

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drzoidburg

December 22nd, 2016 at 6:40 PM ^

It's a PT job as is. Most of them have other things. This is something we've been pointing out that's terribly broken about college refs. Why not pay them enough to deter bribes/bets, get someone competent, and get someone who isn't a fan of either team? That the conference would even think of risking the integrity of its biggest game, with 13 million viewers, to save a few thousand $ shows they are not worthy of being our conference

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LSAClassOf2000

December 22nd, 2016 at 4:56 PM ^

Agreed, but maybe we should do this in transitional steps. Maybe going from what it is now to great is a bit too much. How about "Make Officiating Largely Competnent Again", or MOLCA, which sounds really stupid as an acronym but at least might serve as a good intermediate step. 

As for the article, I wish it changed the outcome, but alas, questions and some admissions coming far too late, and of course, once the final whistle blows, aggrieved or not....well....we know how it is. 

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ijohnb

December 22nd, 2016 at 3:27 PM ^

only issue I have with the Samuel PI call is that we did not get the exact same call in the second OT.  I don't think the ball was by Samuel, I do think it was uncatchable but borderline.  The problem is, if you call one, you have to call the other.  They were almost identical plays and the linesman was looking right at the play in OT.

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umchicago

December 22nd, 2016 at 5:54 PM ^

if the perry PI was a 50/50 no call, than the samuels PI penalty was a 90/10 no call.  the pass to perry was a good pass.   the one to samuels was overthrown.  plus the defender on perry had his arm around his waist and grabbed perry's wrist with the other. w/o the grab on his wrist, perry likely catches that pass. 

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ijohnb

December 22nd, 2016 at 7:52 PM ^

was like having an umpire with a wildly inconsistent strike zone. If you call one you have to call the other. I don't even know if I think it was "biased" any more than I think it was just "bad."

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ish

December 22nd, 2016 at 3:29 PM ^

the best line is the part where teddy greenstein discusses the study of calls against "protected" programs vs others and then says "yeah, but what if the worse teams are just worse."

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BoCanHam15

December 22nd, 2016 at 3:40 PM ^

That's the truth. Notice every referee that was supposed to be one guy was another guy? Yeah right! He said the same crew at one time was suspended, but at this point and time before the game was the highest rated crew? Uh huh! The most unbelievable thing or statement about, "The Game." Is the fact that the BIG TEN not only fined Michigan. They also said,"there were no missed calls during the game!" Uh huh! Fined Harbaugh, for speaking the truth!



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westwardwolverine

December 22nd, 2016 at 3:30 PM ^

I love how he has no problem with the officials calling PI on Delano Hill on the last drive of regulation, but says that literally the same move made by Gareon Conley in overtime is 50/50. 

And why on earth should any self-professed fan of a team be allowed to ref one of their games? Not to mention Buckeye fans are insane, thus residents reffing OSU games have incentives to help them win as they don't want their families to become targets. 

BTW, the point of the complaints about the OSU game is that it should have been called one way or the other: Either you call it tight or you don't. If it had been called either way, Michigan wins. As it was, Ohio State benefited from 80 yards or so of field position and had 3-4 drives end/not end because of the refs. In a game that finished 17-17 in regulation and 30-27 in OT that's a big deal. 

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charblue.

December 22nd, 2016 at 6:16 PM ^

meant to offer an explanation that wasn't forthcoming. You mean you can't explain why one ball thrown over the head of the receiver and the defender's action had no bearing on the catchability of the pass, makes no sense.

Two additional points about that call. I thought when it was made that it was very late. And it came after much pleading from the crowd for a call. An official on the borderline of making such a call, will be influenced by that type of reaction, even if he claims otherwise.

And if an official is willing to make that call to extend a drive in the last 4 minutes of regulation, then he better be prepared to make that same call in OT when the game is on the line. The fact that this crew found reason not to equate certain calls in the same way, raises questions about their judgment and warrants the torrent of criticism that has followed since.

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Jevablue

December 22nd, 2016 at 3:32 PM ^

Anyone that calls the Grant Perry non pass interference call in OT a 50-50 call is 100% fucked up.

And besides every 50-50 call in that whole fucking game went one way.

Explain that.

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mGrowOld

December 22nd, 2016 at 3:36 PM ^

I had a pretty intense debate with an OSU fan here recently whose basic position was Michigan was just bitching because they lost.  When I pointed out all the shit we've look at here ad-nausaum since the game ended his actual retort was "so what - everybody knows officials help-out the better team."

Help out the better team.  And what made me sick was he actualy believed that was the way things were suppose to be.  That the officails were in place to "help out" OSU.

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Jim_Bo_slice

December 22nd, 2016 at 3:33 PM ^

That was a terribly written article. Answered zero questions and tried to pass blame to Michigan fans reactions. The officiating was terrible in that game, end of story. Did it lose us the game? Maybe, maybe not, but that is as bad as officiating gets. 

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charblue.

December 22nd, 2016 at 6:28 PM ^

Nothing impacts a game's conduct except performance on the field by all those involved, including the officials. But as we saw in that game, the standard for calls that were called a certain way influenced key situations that either enhnaced or denied certain opportunities in how the game played out. Officials impact a game only to the extent that the calls they make certain opportunities for teams to alter a game's outcome.

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160 IQ

December 22nd, 2016 at 3:34 PM ^

Why not a public grading and accountability process?  I mean some of us invest thousands in theis program only to be screwed by an agenda.

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mGrowOld

December 22nd, 2016 at 3:39 PM ^

If only.

If only there was somebody who looked at every play of a Michigan game after the fact and published what he saw after watching the film.  If only that person was fairly unbiased as it pertains to officiating and had a platform, a blog let's say, that allowed them to be heard by a lot of people and put the issue to rest once and for all.

If only someone did something where the game and each play of the game was under further review.  

If only......

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