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December 12th, 2009 at 10:11 AM | But Arkansas historically was a much bigger rival than Oklahoma? (Score:1)
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From the Arkansas perspective, Texas might have been their biggest rival, but from the Texas standpoint their most prominent rival has been Oklahoma for many decades.


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December 12th, 2009 at 1:05 PM | There are only so many (Score:1)
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There are only so many schools that we can actually take. The BigTen requires AAU membership, which limits it to only about 9 current FBS teams (5 to the north & east, 4 to the south & west).

In the pictures below, you'll see all of the AAU member, FBS schools based on the direction of expansion and my proposed divisions.

Expansion to the Southwest:

Expansion to the Northeast*:


*Buffalo is missing from this graphic

Those schools (Buffalo included) are the only schools with AAU membership currently in the FBS. I don't think ND would have much trouble joining the AAU as their academics are very good, it would just be if ND would want to join the AAU.

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December 12th, 2009 at 1:08 PM | While I think the first (Score:1)
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While I think the first graphic is probably an unfair balance of power, I think it's the one that makes the most sense for those of you who demand Michigan/OSU be the regular season finale. If we were somehow able to poach Missouri or Nebraska, it might be a bit more balanced.

I personally prefer the latter. A few inter-division rivals would need protection, but I'm fine with that.

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December 12th, 2009 at 1:37 PM | Hey, maybe you're on to something... (Score:1)
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I've heard Mizzou mentioned before, you brought up Nebraska...

why not Kansas?? Maybe Harbaugh knows something.....

(just kidding)

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December 12th, 2009 at 2:12 PM | I've heard Kansas and K-State (Score:1)
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I've heard Kansas and K-State thrown around, but they're a bit further of a reach. I can't comment on their rivalry situation well enough to really speak on how hard of a coup that would be to lure them out.

I'd like KU more for the basketball and mediocre football. K-State, I'm not sure what they're good at in any level of sports. Anyone? I know their volleyball team started ranked, but then disappeared into the abyss.

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December 12th, 2009 at 1:45 PM | Notre Dame or bust (Score:1)
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It would not be worth it to include a Pitt, Rutgers, etc.

But I'm all for pursuing Notre Dame with a little more verve

Hide ya kids, hide ya wife.

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December 12th, 2009 at 3:13 PM | Nebraska (Score:1)
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For years I've heard from a couple of Nebraska alums that the Athletic Department there was unhappy with the Big 12 Setup and that the university administration has higher academic aspirations than most of the Big 12 schools and they feel affiliating with the Big 10 would be advantageous. I even heard they've reached out to Delaney a couple of times.

If it's not Nebraska, I'd bet on a Rutgers or maybe Syracuse to try to improve its NY ties. The New York media will cover PSU, UM occasionally, and that's pretty much it at the moment.

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December 13th, 2009 at 1:10 AM | interesting (Score:1)
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I never would have thought of Nebraska...but I like the idea.
I'm not a fan of ND in the Big Ten, not at all. It's nice to play them out of conference, but I don't want another private school in the conference.

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December 12th, 2009 at 3:58 PM | I haven't read all the posts on here (Score:1)
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But in case nobody's done it yet, here's a post of Brian's from a couple of years ago that does a great job summarizing the possibilities:

http://mgoblog.com/content/big-ten-expansion-pros-and-cons

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December 12th, 2009 at 4:10 PM | Rutgers (Score:1)
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It's strange that it took so long for anyone to mention AAU membership when it's clearly one of the main criteria for any school that isn't Notre Dame. And ND's ambition to be considered as a graduate education powerhouse has been in overdrive lately — the faculty and administrators in South Bend do covet AAU/CIC membership. It might make sense for the league to wait a few years through the Kelly era and Notre Dame's NBC contract (expires 2015) before moving on any other teams. If the next five years turn out like the last five years, NBC might be looking to end that relationship.

But, really, the next best option is plucking Rutgers from the Big East. There's, of course, the New York media market. From a UM perspective, considering how many alums we have in that area, it would be a great support opportunity for them every couple of years. They are a good, land-grant, state school with strong roots. However, though they've been a good team at times but haven't been the #1 team in the country since 1869 (Princeton was #2, there was no #3). But the campus is only a few hours from State College, which is good for Penn State.

The real problem, as these responses have indicated, would be putting the teams into divisions. It would be preferable for Michigan and OSU to be in the same division, if only to ensure that the rivalry retains its privileged place. Meanwhile there's no way, geographically speaking, to keep PSU out of that same division, which would be good for our rivalry with them (and open to taking a year or so off every so often to be replaced with an inter-league game). But that would make for one concentrated division within the league; you'll end up with a Wisconsin-Iowa cakewalk into the championship game most seasons.

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December 12th, 2009 at 11:50 PM | It's been pointed out that the Comcast buyout... (Score:1)
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could provide an opportunity to null and void the ND TV contract... FYI, so if they want to get ND, it could happen sooner than later. However, I think the chance to expand our recruiting/viewing areas will win out over ND.

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December 12th, 2009 at 9:27 PM | If it's not Notre Dame, it (Score:1)
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If it's not Notre Dame, it will be Pitt. We should just all accept it and move on.

When your team is winning, be ready to be tough, because winning can make you soft. On the other hand, when your team is losing, stick by them. Keep believing. -- Bo Schembechler

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December 13th, 2009 at 11:29 AM | The reson its hard to get in (Score:1)
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The reson its hard to get in to osu for ohio residents is because they get so many applications from in state students that they can pick the cream of the crop. Its acutally much easier to get in if your from out of state since they get a lot less aplications so the standards are lower.

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December 13th, 2009 at 10:08 PM | I'd say our best options (Score:1)
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I'd say our best options are:

Iowa State - natural in-state rivalry with Iowa.

Nebraska - the academics to be a part of the conference, and also the potential for a clean rivalry with Michigan. It'd be hard to pull them away from the Big 12, but in reality the Big 12 North has nothing for them... they don't have a real rivalry with anyone in it.

Pitt - natural in-state rivalry with Penn State.

Chicago - If they could fire their football program back up, they would be the ideal school to add to the mix. It's a huge longshot, but it's possible - they have the $.

Notre Dame is NOT AAU, which a lot of people tend to overlook. The Big Ten won't offer them again.

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December 14th, 2009 at 12:02 PM | I think with the current (Score:1)
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I think with the current nation-wide endowment evaporation, and the cities general mixed alumni loyalty, Chicago is always going to be a non-starter, alas... It is pretty freaking cool to see the Heisman in the middle of the UChicago gym though.

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