Bielema thinks Meyer is a dirty recruiter
February 2nd, 2012 at 12:25 PM ^
People here talk about MSU way too much, I agree, but saying we talk about you guys more than you do us on RCMB is a stretch.
February 2nd, 2012 at 12:59 PM ^
Says the Sparty who regularly hangs out on Michigan blogs.
February 2nd, 2012 at 1:22 PM ^
You're right of course, but look, it's not our fault RCMB hardly ever puts up any in-depth discussion of MSU football. This here is a blog mostly about in-depth football analysis for a team that considers Michigan State our second-biggest rival, and for most of us, our most proximal one. RCMB meanwhile is a bulletin board that has yet to go a day without using the epithet "scUM."
I have no problem with the amount of MSU analysis that appears on the board here. That RCMB can't do a better job at in-depth Spartan analysis than posters on a rival team's site says more about RCMB's general value than the MGoBoard's pathology.
If we're producing more than respectable outfits like The Only Colors, or ABDFF, then I'll worry. Until that day, please stop comparing RCMB to MGoBlog -- even if it's just our message board -- because they're not a blog, and they make blogs look bad when people think they are a blog or comparable to a blog. They're as much of an embarassment to the interwebs sports community as they are to Spartan fandom, and I don't want to be compared to that nest of trolls any more than you would.
February 2nd, 2012 at 2:28 PM ^
I wouldn't say it's in-depth, just noticing the general facts about the situations
February 2nd, 2012 at 9:32 AM ^
I like it.
February 2nd, 2012 at 9:32 AM ^
Broseph Bielema may be a giant headed meatwad, but he has a point. Kudos to him for having the balls, or inversely, the lack of etiquette to say something.
It's like on that reality TV show that has been invading our blog these days. One "hot chick" is only in it for fame, so another "mediocre chick" must fall on the sword and out her to the Bachelor. She is off-putting for calling out his stupidity publicly, and is thus sent packing, but it's a necessary evil to proctect the rest of the flock. Bielema is being our "mediocre chick".
February 2nd, 2012 at 1:15 PM ^
I have no idea what you are talking about, but I'm sure you made a great point.
February 2nd, 2012 at 9:44 AM ^
So we've got two coaches who had pretty poor recruiting classes complaining about the new guy at a much more prestigious football school who poached some of his recruits? Perfect. All I hear is WAAAAAH WAAAAAAH WAAAAAAH. Whether its an agreed upon rule or not its bullshit, until the LOI is signed no kid is "committed." If Narduzzi didn't see the writing on the wall with Pittman, he's an idiot. Pittman practically came out and said "I'm only committing to MSU so that I have a guaranteed spot at a school I like."
This looks, to me, like the two most insufferable coaching staffs in the conference being insufferable.
February 2nd, 2012 at 9:40 AM ^
Lets See..... We stole Kalis from OSU and Norfleet from Cincy. Is Hoke a dirty recruiter?
February 2nd, 2012 at 11:48 AM ^
And tried to get Dunn. As an OSU fan, I have no problem whatsoever with other schools trying to get our commits if those commits are showing interest. These are high school kids that deserve to have every option in front of them.
Excuse me if I don't share the same outrage as MSU/Wisconsin coaches - especially when coaches quit on their team for new jobs at every single opportunity. Hearing coaches talk about "commitmment" is laughable. Half of Wisconsin's coaching staff left - yet Bielema is admonished that high school kids are allowed to change their mind?
February 2nd, 2012 at 9:44 AM ^
When a proud man is bested he often believes the other man has cheated some how.
February 2nd, 2012 at 9:44 AM ^
Win some lose some but better recruit to the end on even the ones you got!
February 2nd, 2012 at 9:44 AM ^
Misread it and was wondering why on earth Beilein would care about Meyer's recruiting tactics. Wasn't until I actually opened the thread that I realized it was Beliema, not Belein. Oops...
February 2nd, 2012 at 9:47 AM ^
I couldn't figure out why Beilein would be commenting on Urban Meyer right after beating Indiana.
February 2nd, 2012 at 10:56 AM ^
that in the interview after the game yesterday he almost said "Ohio State"? Giving an answer about lasy weekend's game, he said Ohio and abruptly paused then continued with his answer.
February 2nd, 2012 at 9:46 AM ^
Big Ten football coaches have a bad habit of being a bunch of whiners. There is no point to it, and it just makes you look petty. I love the fact that Hoke would (apparently) never do this.
February 2nd, 2012 at 10:10 AM ^
a much more fun B1G commercial for the BTN - all the coaches showing off their true personalities. Either that, or run the old "We've got wings" one and red "X" through each coach who's gone...
February 2nd, 2012 at 10:24 AM ^
I think th eonly ones still in their jobs are ferenz, hope (for now), dantonio, bielima and fitzzgerald. gone: RR, Brewster, Tressel, Joe Pa (cooome to pennn staaate), indiana guy, zook.
February 2nd, 2012 at 3:39 PM ^
Joe Pa is no longer coaching; dude isn't even alive.
To sum it up, based on appearance in the commercial:
Tressel (Ohio) - Gone.
Rodriguez (Michigan) - Gone.
Dantonio (Michigan State) - Still coaching.
Zook (Illinois) - Gone.
Paterno (Penn State) - Gone.
Fitzgerald (Northwestern) - Still coaching.
Ferentz (Iowa) - Still coaching.
Lynch (Indiana) - Gone.
Brewster (Minnesota) - Gone.
Bielema (Wisconsin) - Still coaching.
Hope (Purdue) - Still coaching.
February 2nd, 2012 at 9:46 AM ^
Yesterday worked out perfectly. You've got the coaches of both division winners attacking the coach at Ohio while Mr. Hoke stays out of the fray. I'm 100% for this outcome. If the next few years consist of Meyer stealing Wisconsin and Sparty recruits and those coaches calling him a cheater -- I don't see how this doesn't help encourage kids with good character to end up at Michigan.
February 2nd, 2012 at 9:47 AM ^
In the end, unless you are breaking NCAA rules, the only thing that matters is W's and L's.
February 2nd, 2012 at 9:50 AM ^
...coming from Bielema, since he's "morally unfit to coach college football." http://michigan.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1155909
February 2nd, 2012 at 9:52 AM ^
This serves our puposes just fine...Just as I don't want Hoke or any of our players complaining about Sparty's dirty play, I don't want them complaining about Tres...I mean Meyer's recruiting tactics. I do, however, want powerful folks pointing both out. I haven't read Sun Tzu, but this is likely a chapter.
February 2nd, 2012 at 9:52 AM ^
I'm ok with this :)
February 2nd, 2012 at 10:14 AM ^
A negative comment about a negative place = a positive for Blue!
Just ask Escalante a negative times a negative = a positive
February 2nd, 2012 at 9:54 AM ^
Bielema is a tool bag. No argument. This may just be sour grapes, but he doesn't specifically complain about losing a recruit what he said was:
“There are a few things that happened early on that I made people aware of that I didn’t want to see in this league, that I had seen take place in other leagues. Other recruiting tactics, other recruiting practices that are illegal. “I was very up front and was very pointed to the fact, actually reached out to Coach Meyer and shared my thoughts and concerns with him. The situation got rectified.”
He doesn't give specifics. He could be lying, but what he said was that Meyer was using illegal recruiting tactics, and that apparently Bielema had to go all broseph on Meyer to get him to stop.
February 2nd, 2012 at 9:58 AM ^
Let Dantonio, Bielema, and Meyer go at each other's throats. We have business to tend to.
February 2nd, 2012 at 9:58 AM ^
It's funny that the MSU coaches feel there's a gentlemen's agreement with regard to flipping recruits when they mention that relationship only with regard to Ohio under Tressel. Dantonio sees the ground crumbling beneath his feet now that his crooked mentor is gone and the new Ohio coach doesn't give a shit about him.
I'm no fan of Meyer, but he's doing whatever he can get away with. Flipping recruits? Done by everyone. The problem is the NCAA which allowed Ohio to sign way more kids than they have room for (after allowing Ohio to have a separate recruiting staff). The only punishment now appears to be a one-year bowl ban; even the crooked coach is back in college ball already.
If Dantonio and Co. are upset, they shouldn't be calling Columbus...they need to call Indianapolis. Of course, hard for Dantonio to complain now after lauding Tressel and OSU previously.
February 2nd, 2012 at 10:06 AM ^
With regards to Dantonio and MSU (and to a certain extent Wisconsin too) you're exactly right. With Michigan and Ohio returning to form the floor is literally falling out from underneath them and they're panicking and flailing around. I mean both programs have enough recent success so it's not like they're going to turn into Indiana, but their time in the sun is done
February 2nd, 2012 at 10:07 AM ^
Have heard Myer's recruiting style described as "bullying" by people who have seen it first hand.
Seems about right.
February 2nd, 2012 at 10:08 AM ^
They both are tools, who ignore their own dirty tactics and call out others.
February 2nd, 2012 at 10:56 AM ^
You think Douchetonio is mad now at Urbz, wait until Monty gets all better from the sickness and signs with Ohio.
Popcorn please!
Edit: Egg on my face please as Monty sent his LOI to Lil Bro this morning.
February 2nd, 2012 at 10:30 AM ^
Bielema and Meyer are twin buttocks of the same bum.
February 2nd, 2012 at 10:34 AM ^
Who cares? Let 'em all eat worms next year. F'em and feed 'em fish heads, I say!!
February 2nd, 2012 at 10:34 AM ^
Who cares? Let 'em all eat worms next year. F'em and feed 'em fish heads, I say!!
February 2nd, 2012 at 10:42 AM ^
use that word around here?), called Meyer unethical. Pot, meet Tressel-kettle, I say.
But this is a meme we need to push hard. Because Meyer--in addition to playing dirty--will further sully the B1G's rep, and that rep--putting moral distance between the B1G and SEC--is the best thing our conference has got.
Loud, vocal pushback is the best thing we all can offer to make sure he doesn't run off with more of our recruits, leaving his usual trail of slime. Michigan is, after all, most likely to be affected.
I say we all adopt a goal of running him out of the conference by 2014. :)
February 2nd, 2012 at 10:58 AM ^
Like purposely telling your O-lineman to chop Martin. He plays with class... What a hypocritical douche.
February 2nd, 2012 at 11:01 AM ^
Dantonio also cried unethical about losing Sevon Pittman, saying that wouldnt have happened under Tressel
February 2nd, 2012 at 11:14 AM ^
If Bielema knows that Meyer is a cheater and liar, then he should call him out. We all know Meyer is anyway. Maybe Dodson told the Wisconsin staff something about what Meyer did or said during his recruitment. Things come to light - don't keep the blinders on.
February 2nd, 2012 at 1:44 PM ^
I was thinking that maybe some other legitimately unethical stuff is going on and Bielema didn't want to call him out publicly on it, but just wanted to call him out to put the spotlight on his recuiting tactics.
February 2nd, 2012 at 11:22 AM ^
that not too long ago Joe Tiller played Bret Bielema to Rich Rod's Urban Meyer. Tiller called Rodriguez a "Wizard-Hat Snake Oil Salesman". Link: http://www.aolnews.com/2008/02/07/tiller-rodriguez-a-wizard-hat-wearing…
Rodriguez' conference "thefts" included Roy Roundtree (Purdue) and Michael Shaw (Penn State). We MGoBlog blogsters were delighted by both of these commitments, deriding Tiller as a jerk, and applauding Rodriguez as a great recruiter.
A bit of perspective before we jump all over Meyer.
February 2nd, 2012 at 11:42 AM ^
but where's the evidence of malfeasance? Recruiting is sales. If you can't sell the merits of the University of Wisconsin and the great party town of Madison, Wisconsin, then hit the bricks pal! UW a great school and I'd choose Madison over Columbus every time.
Bielema has other problems besides recruiting. This new OC Matt Canada better deliver over what manball master Paul Chryst achieved.
February 2nd, 2012 at 5:37 PM ^
Jusr saw on Sporting News' Twitter feed that according to Bielema, Barry Alvarez will speak to Delany about Urban's recruiting practices, saying, "We don't want to be the SEC."
February 2nd, 2012 at 5:49 PM ^
I dont like Urban from his Florida days, but i wonder what he did wrong here. I am not sure Delany can do anything about it.
February 2nd, 2012 at 12:49 PM ^
Hey I hate OSU and therefore I hate Urban Meyer, but I don't have to create some scenario in my head where it is unfair to try and recruit guys who are verbally committed to other team. That is the game. No need to cry about it. I hate the guy, but not for this bullshit reason.
February 2nd, 2012 at 3:02 PM ^
the enemy of my enemy is my friend....
February 2nd, 2012 at 7:21 PM ^
Anything more than recruiting guys that are verbally committed, who cares. One of the few things RR said that I agreed with had something to do with, "until they sign their LOI, they aren't committed anywhere."
February 2nd, 2012 at 7:24 PM ^
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February 2nd, 2012 at 8:36 PM ^
That but if a kid ends up flipping how can anybody be pissed? If he flipped then he wasn't ever committed...why would you want a kid who could be convinced to switch on a dime.